Bound By Oath And Honor - An ASOIAF Hedge Knight Quest

[X] Plan: A Sort of Spy
-[X] Speak with Begging Brothers.
-[X] Gather rumors.
-[X] Speak with other squires.
-[X] Try to find a tutor to learn reading.

We already got some combat skills now and won't gain more if we don't get personal training.
Now it's time to network and get rid if the debuff (or partially rid of it) of being illiterate.
 
[X] Plan: A Burly Sort of Spy
-[X] Speak with Begging Brothers.
-[X] Gather rumors.
-[X] Speak with other squires.

-[X] Train for combat with the armsmen
 
[X] Plan: Squire Quest not Spymaster Quest
-[X] Speak with Richard.
-[X] Try to learn to ride.
-[X] Train for combat with the armsmen.
-[X] Try to find a tutor to learn how to dress wounds.
 
[X] Plan: A Burly Sort of Spy
-[X] Speak with Begging Brothers.
-[X] Gather rumors.
-[X] Speak with other squires.

-[X] Train for combat with the armsmen.
 
I wanted to see if I could figure out what the point of divergence might be, that has happened in the background, and I have got a theory.

From what you gathered, Victarion is in charge in the Westerlands. Though that campaign likewise overachieved. Instead of only burning the Lannister fleet like in canon, they sacked Lannisport and briefly even attacked Casterly Rock itself. Whatever they are doing though didn't seem to work as well there though and they had to retreat.

The point of divergence is further back than the start of the rebellion.
We are told that the point of divergence is from before, the Ironborn rebelled

There has been a fairly significant change in he background that is only now starting to impact the trajectory of politics.

I don't think anyone picked up on what it is so far though.
Based on this quote, then it seems that the change has been hinted at in the text, so I decided to read the first post again and look at the text about the attack on Seagard.

A few memories became more focused at his words. You remembered being near the docks at the time when ships approached silently. Black banners with a golden squid. There was a terrible roar like a dragon and a bright flash. Screams. Fire. Yellow flames mingling with green as men swarmed from the ships. The sound of stone crumbling coming from the castle at the same time as the Bronze Bell sounded for the first time you had ever heard it.
I think that there is a lot of interesting elements in this quote, but the most interesting part is "Yellow flames mingling with green as men swarmed from the ships.", since when I read that, then it sounds like there is both yellow and green flames. If there actually were green flames at Seagard, then it is most likely the sign of the use of wildfire, though I do not know how the Ironborn would have gotten their hands on it.

Two other interesting parts of the quote are "There was a terrible roar like a dragon and a bright flash" and "The sound of stone crumbling coming from the castle", since it seemed like that the Ironborn had some way of throwing something destructive at the castle. The thing that is thrown is likely wildfire.

On the same day as Seagard had been sacked, the same had happened to Lannisport in the Westerlands. The entire Lannister fleet had been put to the torch and there were persistent rumors that the Ironborn had tried to use some sort of sorcery to attack a keep called Casterly Rock, though ultimately had to give up these attempts. They had seized the Fair Isle since then and were raiding along the western coast of the Seven Kingdoms, all the way down to the Reach, with little to no opposition.
The Twins had fallen too, which elicited gasps from most of the room and even surprised you. You had talked with people who had been there a few times and you knew that it was deemed very difficult to siege the double keep as one had to do so from both sides of the river.

However, Euron Greyjoy had allegedly used sorcery to badly damage one of those keeps and killing a number of people from the household, including the heir. Lord Frey surrendered after threats to have the keep razed entirely and his entire family clasped in irons to toil in the mines of the Iron Isles.
We can also read that the Ironborn are said to have been using some sort of sorcery to attack both Casterly Rock and the Twins, which is likely the same type of attack used against the castle at Seagard. Since people are calling it sorcery, then it likely mean that it is not a common tool at sieges, that are being used, which I think would support the idea of it being wildfire.


The choice was taken from you a moment later. All of the sudden, one of the boats was on fire and in the shine of the flames, you saw two Ironborn hurl burning clay jars at other boats.

Someone yelled to get the boats away, but by then you already were trying to loosen the knot of the rope. It didn't move at all. Seeing more jars being hurled, you fumbled for a knife that laid in the boat, just cutting it. Luckily, no one seemed to have the time to attack you and with a push of the oar, your boat drifted out into the river and away from the flames.
When we were attacked by Ironborn, while traveling to Riverrun, we can read, that they were throwing burning clay jars in an attempt to burn boats. I did not find anything talking about the color of the flames in this episode, so while these clay jars might not contain wildfire, it does suggest in my opinion, that the Ironborn has alchemists giving them weaponry.

So, in summary, I believe that the Ironborn has gotten their hands on wildfire and figured out how to use it against castles and boats, which has caused the Ironborn Rebellion to be more successful, that it was in the books.
 
So, in summary, I believe that the Ironborn has gotten their hands on wildfire and figured out how to use it against castles and boats, which has caused the Ironborn Rebellion to be more successful, that it was in the books.
Maybe, if the thing went further back, they somehow got their hands on the Alchemists, after Robert's Rebellion.

In canon the guild was underfunded and diminished, but stayed in King's Landing, with their secrets and skills under some scrutiny.
If they fled, maybe if the Mad King's plan to burn it all was discovered and they had to flee, then some working for the Ironborn makes sense.
 
Honestly it still feels like the more likely outcome is that they still lose, but this time instead of wagging their fingers and going, "Oh you, give up some hostages" we have full, like, War Crime Central being enacted upon the Iron Isles.
 
So, in summary, I believe that the Ironborn has gotten their hands on wildfire and figured out how to use it against castles and boats, which has caused the Ironborn Rebellion to be more successful, that it was in the books.
The roar mentioned in the first chapter could be a clue on how they are using it against the castles. Many authors describe the sound of canons fireing as "roaring" to emphasize the fierceness of artillery, so the ironborn might have some kind of wildfire artillery. If you're right, then their secret superweapon might be that they have learnt to fling explosives from a great distance.

Honestly, this is a better scenario than the Greyjoys somehow learning magic and deploying it in such a large scale. Remember, most magic (if not all) in ASOIAF is (horrifying) blood magic.
Honestly it still feels like the more likely outcome is that they still lose, but this time instead of wagging their fingers and going, "Oh you, give up some hostages" we have full, like, War Crime Central being enacted upon the Iron Isles.
In the original timeline it likely already was War Crime Central, in this timeline it is very likely that they will also extend their war crimes to the noble famillies. If it were on me, I would simply free all thralls and take them back to continental Westeros, given that their relligion and/or culture is pretty restrictive on what is considered a proper "ironman profession", their economy would collapse or they would be forced to adapt a new lifestyle to sustain their economy.​
 
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7 updates in and Questers are already talking about genociding the Iron Islands. Guess some things never change.
 
To be clear, I don't support genocide but thralldom is slavery by another name and, if I could, I would abolish it. That said, I'm perfectly concious that Arlan is in no position to decide the future of the Iron Islands.​
 
The thing with thralldom is that outside of people travelling the Iron Isles, nobody really notices it much. Since thralls can't be bought or sold, you also don't have the chattel slavery markets like the Ghiscari have, so the whole practice is mostly ignored.

But now Euron is doing Euron things...
 
In the original timeline it likely laready was War Crime Central, in this timeline it is very likely that they will also extend their war crimes to the noble famillies. If it were on me, I would simply free all thralls and take them back to continental Westeros, given that their relligion and/or culture is pretty restrictive on what is considered a proper "ironman profession", their economy would collapse or they would be forced to adapt a new lifestyle to sustain their economy.
The traditional Ironborn answer to "We don't have enough X, what to do?" has been to go raiding.
 
[X] Plan: Squire Quest not Spymaster Quest


Ironborn are raising hell from the sounds of it. Good call to not go to the Twins. Also we need to learn some healing. I have a feeling we will need it soon.
 
[X] Plan: Sharp Sword and Sharper Tongue
-[X] Train for combat with the armsmen.
-[X] Speak with Richard.
-[X] Speak with other squires.
-[X] Speak with Begging Brothers.
 
Turn 3: Riverrun - Final Tally New
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Adhoc vote count started by Azel on Jan 24, 2025 at 3:41 AM, finished with 49 posts and 32 votes.
 
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