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IronHydra said:
This is easily explained, and while not completely true, it is truthful to an extent. Shirou lived in a more traditional home before, sure he can't exactly explain where it was due to Fuyuki not existing here. But he could say his past experience living more frugally and with older/lower level of tech, y'know only knowing about/using flip phones and regular home phones.

He could possibly use his skill with Kyudo, and training with shinai from Taiga and Saber as evidence that he stays in practice with those things, and focused more on physical things and mechanics from a young age.
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Not really? This doesn't explain why there's zero record of him in their system. No birth certificate, no tax/social security numbers, no school records (because school is mandatory from ages 6-15). Or his random recollection of a city that doesn't exist.

I think the best explanation would probably be some sort of runaway from a rural town? That would explain the insistence on giving fake info about his previous place of residence. Potential parental abuse/neglect could also explain the lack of info about him in the system, as well as any strange gaps in his memory, as well as why he turned up with his only material possession being a plush toy of all things (plus why he seems so attached to it).

The only weakness in this theory is that Shirou was pristine at the moment of his arrest, which you wouldn't really expect for a runaway. But you could also reason that away by assuming that Shirou probably ran away recently and took public transportation from wherever he previously lived to Tokyo.

EDIT: Also, Shirou would be remarkably in-shape for a traumatized/abused teen, but unless the police officers stripped him upon his arrest, that's not something you can really catch on just by looking at Shirou.
 
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Birthday said:
I think the best explanation would probably be some sort of runaway from a rural town?
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Pretty much this too, I was kinda thinking along them lines as well, we could basically combine the two considering that it's usually the rural places that hold more heavily to tradition. Shirou can explain that his dad had an illness that progressed rapidly and prevented him from going about daily tasks. The blanks can be filled here and there.

Though I'm not really a fan of the whole neglect/abuse excuse. Feels like a bit much.
 
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IronHydra said:
Though I'm not really a fan of the whole neglect/abuse excuse. Feels like a bit much.
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This isn't really me picturing what Shirou uses as an excuse, but moreso what Sae and the other police officers probably concluded after interviewing him. Cause with the gaps in Shirou's identity, you either have to conclude that his past is extremely shady, or that he's outright delusional. And Shirou was obviously deemed mentally sane to stand trial, so you kinda have to assume the former than the latter.

Like, if Shirou uses the "dad is ill" excuse, anyone who actually tries to investigate a Kiritsugu Emiya, won't find him. Shirou won't be able to describe any pharmacies or any hospitals that helped treat him either.
 
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Ok, I get'cha. Still though, my idea still remains as that can be what we use for a write-in about our background if we're pressed to give more info/give the truth. Whatever conclusion Sae and the law officials may have come across. I'm sure that if they brought their ideas up to Shirou, he would protest vehemently against that being the case.

Not everyone who is ill goes to the hospital, some people are just too stubborn. Far as I'm aware Kiritsugu kept a pretty low profile even in the normal world.

Especially in those smaller towns, people can just go most of their lives outside of the system depending on how you live.

Really though, I'm just spinning ideas that sound decent.
 
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IronHydra said:
Ok, I get'cha. Still though, my idea still remains as that can be what we use for a write-in about our background if we're pressed to give more info/give the truth.
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Oh, for sure. For everyday use, against people who don't really have the resources to check up on Shirou's claims, the "I came from a really rural town" excuse would probably work fine against any civilians with the exception of Futaba and Akechi.

IronHydra said:
Whatever conclusion Sae and the law officials may have come across. I'm sure that if they brought their ideas up to Shirou, he would protest vehemently against that being the case.
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He could, but I imagine that would also just get filtered underneath "traumatized teen is in denial".

But I'm also unsure as to why you think Shirou would protest all that hard? It's not like his parents or any of his parental figures even exist in this world. I picture him moreso staying silent, rather than confirming their hypothesis one way or another.
 
It's not about his birth parents, it's more about Kiritsugu getting his name tarnished, sure he doesn't exist on this world most likely, but I feel like Shirou would at least defend his name if it came up. He's Shirou's hero after all, the one who saved him. That's about it.
 
IronHydra said:
It's not about his birth parents, it's more about Kiritsugu getting his name tarnished, sure he doesn't exist on this world most likely, but I feel like Shirou would at least defend his name if it came up. He's Shirou's hero after all, the one who saved him. That's about it.
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Fair enough. In that case, I think that Shirou probably told the truth and refuted any accusations at first, but realized that none of his answers were satisfying the cops, and he can't exactly say "I was teleported from an alternate Earth in 2004". So he probably stopped answering when it became clear that they were going to make their own minds up about him one way or another.
 
IronHydra said:
It's not about his birth parents, it's more about Kiritsugu getting his name tarnished, sure he doesn't exist on this world most likely, but I feel like Shirou would at least defend his name if it came up. He's Shirou's hero after all, the one who saved him. That's about it.
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This is a good point, especially when you consider he got saved twice by him. Once from the fire and a second time by adopting him instead of sending him to the orphanage by the church.

Even if he does not say anything outrageous or that may be used by the Shido team, he'll still have a lot of pent-up anger and stress, with Angra making it worse.
 
Birthday said:
Fair enough. In that case, I think that Shirou probably told the truth and refuted any accusations at first, but realized that none of his answers were satisfying the cops, and he can't exactly say "I was teleported from an alternate Earth in 2004". So he probably stopped answering when it became clear that they were going to make their own minds up about him one way or another.
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That does seem likely. He's not going to lie if he's not in the wrong and nobody is in any danger, just calmly give the facts as he sees it, except for any magecraft.
 
magiciannever said:
Well we can just say that Kiritsugu was an assassin/jk
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Funnily enough, that would also probably be one of the more plausible excuses XD. Only thing it wouldn't explain is the weird gaps in knowledge. But the lack of personal ID, school records, and the fake info about where he lives all make sense if he was raised by a highly wanted criminal.
 
:V Really makes him fit in with the rest of the cast too.

"Oh you have a traumatic childhood/your father is evil/your mentor is evil/your teacher is evil.
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And Shirou can simply sit amongst them with "My dad wasn't really evil, but he was a notorious assassin"
 
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I see some people want to sweep the weirdness under the rug with lying. I just don't want to risk it on a roll or make shirou lie more than he has to make him seem not weird when he's already weird for not being in the system.

Weirdness meter can stack. Suspicions can also stack with lies.
 
Just give the literal mundane facts.
From a city that doesn't exist, a dead father that doesn't exist, with very specific yet not found street, attending a school that doesn't exist.

He won't need to juggle a story, just state the facts they cannot verify and be absolutely consistent.
 
It's not really all lying, it's saying plenty of things that are true, mixed in with a few lies (because the truth can't be believed or really told to anyone) to make it meld together and let them put the pieces together how they want.

We have to have some sort of explanation. It's better than just clamming up and letting them run off with theories or anything else.
 
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WayWard_Animal said:
I see some people want to sweep the weirdness under the rug with lying. I just don't want to risk it on a roll or make shirou lie more than he has to make him seem not weird when he's already weird for not being in the system.
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IronHydra said:
It's not really all lying, it's saying plenty of things that are true, mixed in with a few lies (because the truth can't be believed or really told to anyone) to make it meld together and let them put the pieces together how they want.
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This yeah. Most people, when hearing that Shirou came from the boonies and was raised in a town they never heard of will just shrug it off. Like, I said, it's only really going to become a problem if Akechi tries to look into it further.

Side note; I wonder what Maruki is going to think about all of this. Looking forward to my favorite worst therapist's interactions with Shirou. XD Especially since Shirou's character development by the end of the Fate Route basically places Shirou in complete opposition to Maruki's philosophy.
 
All that would be avoided if Shirou just started conjuring stuff from nothing. You can't say that parallel world do not exist to guy who can literally create matter from ether/jk But seriously if we grind Sae or Makoto social link enough we can just show them projection while telling them our story. Sae I feel would be an great help with making an alibi for Shiro if she liked him enough
 
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Birthday said:
This yeah. Most people, when hearing that Shirou came from the boonies and was raised in a town they never heard of will just shrug it off. Like, I said, it's only really going to become a problem if Akechi tries to look into it further.
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There's a reason why I say there's gonna be a weirdness meter. I'm not saying the consequences be too bad, it just would be goodshirou to acclimate to the world differences sooner rather than later. I understand why people want to socialize though so i'm not that worked up about it.
 
Birthday said:
If it was of no consequence or if Abyssal didn't want to write it, I'm pretty sure Abyssal wouldn't have included it as a dedicated option to spend time on. I will point out that Youtube wasn't a thing during the 5th HGW, and nor was Twitter. Even just having a rudimentary understanding of social media would be helpful for Shirou.
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The worst consequence is that we will get to enjoy watching Shirou learn about the new world. He will learn fast on his own and smartphones are simple.

Birthday said:
Fate Shirou is idealistic, but he's not naive or delusional. If the Phantom Thieves were outright brainwashing people, then Shirou would probably have issues with that, but considering Morgana explains how the Palaces work, I think he'd be okay with it. Also, Ryuji and Joker initially hesitate going through with Morgana's plan when they learn it could potentially kill Kamoshida, but I think Shirou would be considerably less hesitant about going through with it, consider he has Angry Mango egging him on, as well as his own experiences in the HGW.

While I agree that Shirou's metaverse outfit would not be styled after a Phantom Thief like Joker, saying that Shirou isn't a non-conformist and that he wouldn't rebel against society is a very limited view on his beliefs? Like, EMIYA's existence absolutely disproves this, having died trying to stop a war by fighting against both sides. Shirou's ideals have nothing to do with laws or society, and everything about protecting others. If Shirou believes he cannot protect someone by working within the confines of the law, he absolutely would step over them as long as the actions didn't conflict with his actual morality. He and Makoto share a lot in that regard, except that Shirou has already gone through a bunch of character development towards refining his ideals into something healthy.
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Shirou has to go to the metaverse or this would not be a Persona 5 quest but I do not think he would do everything the same as the Phantom Thieves. I still maintain that as a magus he will be more skeptical about a supernatural being treating him like a pawn and the consequences of stealing hearts. While he is willing to kill, that was during the Holy Grail War and I do not think he will be willing to risk killing someone who he thinks does not deserve to die.

Rebelling against society is a major theme of Persona 5. That is not intrinsic to Shirou. He was a model student except for his grades. In terms of ideals, yes, being a hero is more important than anything else to him.

Fate Shirou had his ideals challenged the least of all the routes. Is that not the route he is most likely to become EMIYA or the one most similar to where Shirou became EMIYA?
 
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Gunman said:
Is that not the route he is most likely to become EMIYA or the one most similar to where Shirou became EMIYA?
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Basically yes, the difference being the Archer of his was someone else, and he failed to save Saber and restore her ideals and to live up to what happened.

Then presumably he went to the clocktower maybe for a bit, before going out on suicide missions until he gets blamed and executed for a war he tried to prevent.
 
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