Cleaning Up After The Ancients (Stargate SI)

I made a rather large update to the first part of the chapter, so general question to the thread, does this work at least somewhat better?
I thought that original was quite workable. My policy over re-writes is that there must be something major in plot terms to justify them, and I didn't see that. But, as ever, author decision.

I do like the ethical considerations.

Dungeons and Dragons then the ones seen in Lord of the Rings
Originally. DnD, 'OD&D' as called by some, the wood-look/white box-set, plus 'Greyhawk' (and maybe some bits from 'Strategic Review'), prior to AD&D, prior to 'Dragon' magazine... That was deliberately full-on LotR. Arguably 'Blackmoor' and 'Eldritch Wizardry' (preferably plus a copy of 'Chainmail', for some spell descriptions) constituted the original DnD game. Psionics rules... needed a lot of work to be usable. Negative hit-point extensions weren't uncommon, nor was messing with non-Vancian magic, ways around the hard-wired racial level-limits. 'VD&D' wasn't uncommon, with massive rules re-writes.

The Tolkien estate... wasn't happy, 'hobbits' had to become 'halflings', grey/wood elves, their abilities, their longevity, what happened to their souls/spirits after death, their fertility, half-elves and their choice of following elf or human futures, needed a bit of work... (See 'Forgotten Realms', for some major world-rebuilding.)

TL;DR: DnD and LotR were originally a direct match.

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I... don't see this chapter as Evan 'making a girlfriend'. He desperately needs assistance, and the humans aren't it. Yes, he is lonely, suffering from PTSD, but I don't think his moral compass is broken. Also, odds are he could provide a 'tiara' (yes, with all the security features) to give the elf most of the external interface bits the ATA-gene logic gives. Or, if she wants, convert her brain to full-on Ancient, once she's full developed, emotionally.

Classic solution to extended lifespan is reduced fertility, possibly with mental controls to toggle fertility on/off, to be certain-certain, or let the dice roll. Access to Ancient tech to fix any half-elf issues sounds quite credible. Elf wants a child, while avoiding the 'terrible twos' years - see previous.

Might be worth mentioning the 'Electra complex' with regard to created sapient beings, and the 'auto fall in love with the creator' bit. The Ancients will know all about such risks, and will know how to control mind-imprinting to avoid it. You'd need to be in a really bad way to do more than ensure 'friendly reactions' are what are got from created sapient beings - I really don't think Evan is in that state.
 
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From the perspective of creating an equal, true. But this is some kind of fetishised sex slave and lab assistant - thus limiting her ability to operate Ancient technology is probably quite deliberate. And assistants don't need to have agency or complete educations, so this helps stop her from gaining them. Actually I guess the elven thematics also isolate her from other humanoids, making it harder for them to leave.

At least there doesn't seem to be much behavioural slave programming, though obviously an emotionally stunted newborn adult is going to be extremely vulnerable.

...well, at least Dr Weir will understand how fucked up this is.
Part of his plan with this involved handing Rayla off to Teyla to teach her the things the developmental program wouldn't cover. 😅

You know, the woman who's a leader of her people and about as independent minded as you can get.


I thought that original was quite workable. My policy over re-writes is that there must be something major in plot terms to justify them, and I didn't see that. But, as ever, author decision.

I do like the ethical considerations.
It's rare I do them, but in this case I could see some of the problems being talked about and how they originated from bits of information that got left out in between drafts due to streamlining.

It also let me slip in a tiny bit of foreshadowing. 😇

I... don't see this chapter as Evan 'making a girlfriend'. He desperately needs assistance, and the humans aren't it. Yes, he is lonely, suffering from PTSD, but I don't think his moral compass is broken. Also, odds are he could provide a 'tiara' (yes, with all the security features) to give the elf most of the external interface bits the ATA-gene logic gives. Or, if she wants, convert her brain to full-on Ancient, once she's full developed, emotionally.

Classic solution to extended lifespan is reduced fertility, possibly with mental controls to toggle fertility on/off, to be certain-certain, or let the dice roll. Access to Ancient tech to fix any half-elf issues sounds quite credible.
There actually are "mental uplink" devices which can bridge the technology control gap, they were mostly used for places like Emerge where the Ancients were attempting to directly integrate humans into their civilization.

The only thing that really can't be compensated for via technology is the much more limited ability to directly download information into their brains. (Which is in fact why the Ancients preferred the ATA gene.)

Might be worth mentioning the 'Electra complex' with regard to created sapient beings, and the 'auto fall in love with the creator' bit. The Ancients will know all about such risks, and will know how to control mind-imprinting to avoid it. You'd need to be in a really bad way to do more than ensure 'friendly reactions' are what are got from created sapient beings - I really don't think Evan is in that state.
Developmental program's are specifically calibrated to minimize the possibility of that sort of thing to the point of functional non-existence.

It circles right back around to the whole "free will" thing that the Ancients valued so much.
 
From the perspective of creating an equal, true. But this is some kind of fetishised sex slave and lab assistant - thus limiting her ability to operate Ancient technology is probably quite deliberate. And assistants don't need to have agency or complete educations, so this helps stop her from gaining them. Actually I guess the elven thematics also isolate her from other humanoids, making it harder for them to leave.

At least there doesn't seem to be much behavioural slave programming, though obviously an emotionally stunted newborn adult is going to be extremely vulnerable.

...well, at least Dr Weir will understand how fucked up this is.
I cannot fathom how you pulled that out of what was written I'm not sure what kind of insane knee jerk this thought process is or what it says about you but perhaps you should keep these kinds of thoughts to yourself and let a few chapters pass to clear up your confusion in the future.
 
Alright, this was a fortunate find.

Having binge-read the story in one sitting, I must say I'm liking it so far and I'm looking forward to reading how this goes in the future.
Nice work with it, so far it was a pleasant and fun read.

PS: I sure do hope Eventus gets to meet up with O'Neill for those donuts. I have a feeling they'd hit it off quite nicely, and of course, the aftermath of whatever those two come up with will be quite a sight.
 
Loved the bit about the Asurans. Given at least a part of them wanted to Ascend, I have a feeling Evan is going to trigger an Asuran civil war, though one that wouldn't happen instantly.

Because he would treat them as having free will, and would probably remove most of the restrictions his people put on them preventing them from advancing further. Of course, not without some sort of safeguard. But that's different than just declaring they're "nothing but machines."
 
Loved the bit about the Asurans. Given at least a part of them wanted to Ascend, I have a feeling Evan is going to trigger an Asuran civil war, though one that wouldn't happen instantly.

Because he would treat them as having free will, and would probably remove most of the restrictions his people put on them preventing them from advancing further. Of course, not without some sort of safeguard. But that's different than just declaring they're "nothing but machines."
Would Evan provide them with the tech to 'go biological'? Become effectively Ancients? Just how much would this annoy some Ascended???

BTW, the brain prosthesis described so far is effectively a Southbridge. Might a 'Northbridge' be also possible, say using some Asuran systems, that hook-into the memory of a biological, providing a loadable area? The bio-memory would (slowly) assimilate these memories, as they were accessed/used, and they would need equivalent associative, and index, access logic to bio-memory. The best of both worlds?

That might be a half-way house to enable Asurans to 'try' being biological, for a bit, and see if it works for them?
(Also, the elf could use this, to become a pseudo-Ancient?)

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Does Evan have access to a soul detector? Preferably one usable from orbit, on Asura? Just asking...
 
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Would Evan provide them with the tech to 'go biological'? Become effectively Ancients? Just how much would this annoy some Ascended???

We know from the show that they already have that tech. There was an entire episode about it. Just, they couldn't or didn't use it for one reason or another. We don't know the Asuran social situation, and what restrictions the ancients put in place. We do know that things got off on the wrong foot, and the general anti-AI stance of Earth made everyone getting along impossible.

Also, as mentioned in the story, the ancients don't actually know everything about souls. Meaning, it's entirely possible for some Asurans to have naturally developed them.

We know from author notes that rogue AI is a problem Evan has faced before. However, I can't see him going in blasting without at least trying to talk things out. He also isn't going to pull the whole betrayal thing SG-1 and Atlantis seems to love doing to any AI they come across. Which is going to make those interactions interesting.

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Loved the bit about the Asurans. Given at least a part of them wanted to Ascend, I have a feeling Evan is going to trigger an Asuran civil war, though one that wouldn't happen instantly.

Because he would treat them as having free will, and would probably remove most of the restrictions his people put on them preventing them from advancing further. Of course, not without some sort of safeguard. But that's different than just declaring they're "nothing but machines."
The Asurans probably won't put themselves in human or fleshy bodies for the same reason teh Asgard won't put themselves in androids. Neither body at this point can be both capable of ascension while retaining their wealth of knowledge in a single being.

A civil war, as we would recognize it, is impossible for long as a living Lantean exists; and if they're not there it's also impossible because a the Asuran collective is interconnected and can rewrite/override the programming of a smaller minority.

The Asurans are completely beholden to their programming and it's part of what probably limits their ability to ascend.

Assuming the ascended even allow them due to the numbers issue.
 
The Asurans probably won't put themselves in human or fleshy bodies for the same reason the Asgard won't put themselves in androids. Neither body at this point can be both capable of ascension while retaining their wealth of knowledge in a single being.

Two things to keep in mind.

First, this fic explicitly noted that the reason the Asgard don't use Android bodies is due to mental degradation. Something completely different from ascension. Also something Evan may have provided an answer for.

Second, unless I am miss remembering, the show explicitly had some Asurans take on human forms in order to attempt to ascend.
 
Two things to keep in mind.

First, this fic explicitly noted that the reason the Asgard don't use Android bodies is due to mental degradation. Something completely different from ascension. Also something Evan may have provided an answer for.

Second, unless I am miss remembering, the show explicitly had some Asurans take on human forms in order to attempt to ascend.
Plus, they don't need to go immediately to bodies capable of Ascension. What the Asgard actually need as a next step is a way to stop the metaphorical bleeding, while they work on a longer term solution. Viable Android bodies is an effective short term solution that would buy the Asgard plenty of time to work on fixing their biological bodies, especially now that the Replicators are dealt with and aren't a threat to those Android bodies.
The Asurans are a lot trickier to solve as a problem - the minority that wants to Ascend could probably be dealt with, but the rest of the Asurans? Not so much. And it's really hard to work out who's who, especially when you have no actual reason to believe that the potentially approachable minority exists, or who they might be.


The Asurans didn't take on biological forms themselves - they were studying nanite grown clones of the Atlantis team, while pretending to be other members of the Expedition, and wiping/resetting their memories every time the biologicals figured out what was going on. Until the rest of the Asurans showed up and blew them up.
 
And it's really hard to work out who's who, especially when you have no actual reason to believe that the potentially approachable minority exists, or who they might be.

Thanks for the reminder of the episode details.

There's no reason to believe there's only two factions. Some of them might even be happy to be accepted for who they are and are just the equivalent of a lowly tech. However, a combination of factors means that the Asurans we saw in the series weren't exactly nice.

First being that they did copy their "parents" arrogance. Combined with aggression programming and being understandably upset at the ancients for trying to genocide them, its no wonded they did the same in turn. Especially if they were worried their workaround letting them attack Ancients could be overcome. Then there's likely some coding which enforces a hierarchical structure. Since they're "just machines" the Ancients threw free will out the window.

Evan does have the advantage when meeting the Asurans of that coding enforcing behavior. Meaning, at the least, he's safe. Plus, any changes to their code he makes aren't going to have the flaws McKay's did. One other big advantage is he doesn't have the instinctive dislike of AI and nanites the expedition members do.

I can see Evan loosening some of the Asurans programming, but he's also practical enough to not let them genocide people just because "free will." Making this a massive moral quandary.

Having said all that. It would be fun to have Evan let all the ones who want to immigrate to Atlantis. Everyone else would be freaking out, but there has to be at least one "person" in their species who would see fixing up the old city as a fun challenge. Evan, also, has not problems with letting those who want to attempt to ascend.
 
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can rewrite/override the programming of a smaller minority.

We only saw this on screen after McKay altered their Base code.
That allowed them later to overcome the code which prevented them from harming their creators.
So maybe possible that they could have done it before but im not sure tbh.


Faction wise we know that at least two factions exist. Personally think there got to be more but thats just me and not proven in-verse.

One faction is lead by Oberoth.
The other Niam is a part of. They want to ascend and be equal/one with their creators as far as i understood.

Niams faction does at minimum have one city-ship on a planet without a gate. Which includes three fully charged ZPMs as they haven't cloned anyone yet. Oberoth's forces found them after some time. To me that means that while Oberoth was aware of them in a general sense, didnt know where the city-ship of Niams faction was beforehand.
 
We only saw this on screen after McKay altered their Base code.
That allowed them later to overcome the code which prevented them from harming their creators.
So maybe possible that they could have done it before but im not sure tbh.


Faction wise we know that at least two factions exist. Personally think there got to be more but thats just me and not proven in-verse.

One faction is lead by Oberoth.
The other Niam is a part of. They want to ascend and be equal/one with their creators as far as i understood.

Niams faction does at minimum have one city-ship on a planet without a gate. Which includes three fully charged ZPMs as they haven't cloned anyone yet. Oberoth's forces found them after some time. To me that means that while Oberoth was aware of them in a general sense, didnt know where the city-ship of Niams faction was beforehand.
Nope, Oberon rewrote Niam remotely after he sprung the team loose before the Asuran cityship got to Atlantis in the first Asuran episode. The rewrote Niam then attacked Elizabeth.
That's where the nanites in Weir's brain came from.

We don't know when the non-hostile Ascension focused Asurans acquired the Cityship or the other resources we saw them have.


The Asurans are demonstrably hostile and untrustworthy.
Eventus would only be safe because of the code preventing them from harming Lanteans. Nobody else would be.
Let's not forget that their approach to fighting the Wraith was eliminating the human populations used as food so the Wraith starve to death, not killing the Wraith directly.
The supermajority faction hates humans and Lanteans.

The safest thing to do is ask the Asgard for help in deploying redundant coverage and use of planetary scale Anti-Replicator weapon.
 
Oberon rewrote Niam remotel

The supermajority faction hates humans and Lanteans.

My personal theory is Oberon hates Lantean, and overwrites anyone who disagrees with him. This is the type of thing that I could see Evan removing, and why I mentioned an Asuran civil war. Once his iron grip on the population is released, everything becomes much more fluid.

While you are correct in what the safest option is, indiscriminate mass casualty weapons should always be the last resort when dealing with sentient enemies. Fortunately, Evan has other options.

Heck, for all that the retrovirus turned out badly, you'll note the Atlanis expedition didn't just go with something that killed all the Wraith. While I'm not sure if the amnesia was deliberate, it was a method of freeing the Wraith from their need to feed on humans.
 
Oberon rewrote Niam remotely
If the Asurans can be remote re-programmed does Evan logically have access to that capability? Also, therefore, could he protect the free-will of the friendly Asurans by preventing them from being altered by their hostile faction?

As I understand the moral logic, those within your 'moral universe' need a certain level of 'willing to play nice' to be treated as potentially 'Us', so they get 'human rights', as opposed to being 'Them', 'outside the circle of firelight', that is civilized behaviour, and being nothing but a menace (or, potentially, a resource). Or, the power relationship needs to be so biased in your favour that the risks of supporting their 'free will' are regarded as acceptable.

The hostile Asurans might be, potentially, remote re-programmed to go into a standby state, if that could be done without crashing their civilization. Otherwise, there'd be a need to be more subtle. Handing the problem over to the friendly ones, with adequate support, so they can deal with the empathy training, might make sense? Getting an Asuran civilization that will self-police the 'play nice' logic would take some careful work. Not a 'Hail Mary'.

Are Evan's elves going to detect as Ancients to the Asurans? How do Asurans know they're dealing with an Ancient? What common trait are they detecting? Presence of the ATA-gene, in a bio-being's 'bio plume' *?


* 'bio plume' is a term I've seen in several bits of post-2000s science fiction. A mixture of rising hot air, produced by metabolism, CO2 and moisture, shed skin-cells, maybe IR patterns shown and changing on exposed skin. Faking this... is a really difficult job. An Asuran that tried to fake being a human, or an Ancient, would likely need to work really hard to pass thorough analysis like this.
 
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My personal theory is Oberon hates Lantean, and overwrites anyone who disagrees with him. This is the type of thing that I could see Evan removing, and why I mentioned an Asuran civil war. Once his iron grip on the population is released, everything becomes much more fluid.

While you are correct in what the safest option is, indiscriminate mass casualty weapons should always be the last resort when dealing with sentient enemies. Fortunately, Evan has other options.

Heck, for all that the retrovirus turned out badly, you'll note the Atlanis expedition didn't just go with something that killed all the Wraith. While I'm not sure if the amnesia was deliberate, it was a method of freeing the Wraith from their need to feed on humans.
Problem with just removing Oberon is that even if he's the one who started the rewrites, it's been going on for thousands of years, well past the point of being a self-sustaining process, and the supermajority of Asurans either agreed with him originally and/or has been rewritten to agree with him.
After all, he was on the Asuran Cityship that got destroyed, and Niam was rewritten by his orders, and nobody tried to do anything between Oberon's getting blown up and his respawning.


If the Asurans can be remote re-programmed does Evan logically have access to that capability? Also, therefore, could he protect the free-will of the friendly Asurans by preventing them from being altered by their hostile faction?

As I understand the moral logic, those within your 'moral universe' need a certain level of 'willing to play nice' to be treated as potentially 'Us', so they get 'human rights', as opposed to being 'Them', 'outside the circle of firelight', that is civilized behaviour, and being nothing but a menace. Or, the power relationship needs to be so biased in your favour that the risks of supporting their 'free will' are regarded as acceptable.

The hostile Asurans might be, potentially, remote re-programmed to go into a standby state, if that could be done without crashing their civilization. Otherwise, there'd be a need to be more subtle. Handing the problem over to the friendly ones, with adequate support, so they can deal with the empathy training, might make sense? Getting an Asuran civilization that will self-police the 'play nice' logic would take some careful work. Not a 'Hail Mary'.

Are Evan's elves going to detect as Ancients to the Asurans? How do Asurans know they're dealing with an Ancient? What common trait are they detecting? Presence of the ATA-gene, in a bio-being's 'bio plume' *?


* 'bio plume' is a term I've seen in several bits of post-2000s science fiction. A mixture of rising hot air, produced by metabolism, shed skin-cells, maybe IR patterns shown and changing on exposed skin. Faking this... is a really difficult job. An Asuran that tried to fake being a human, or an Ancient, would likely need to work really hard to pass thorough analysis like this.
The reprogramming of the Asurans required physical access to their nexus/core room on Asuras for McKay (and per one of the story collections, the Wraith who turned the Asurans off also required that physical access). And prior study of their current code.
Eventus would probably also require that level of physical access to the nexus/core, as well as lengthy study of the current Asuran code before he was willing to make changes.


Well, right now, the Asurans are content to sit on Asuras apparently doing almost nothing. So as long as they don't get poked at, they'll probably stay status quo more or less indefinitely, which is acceptable, IMO.
Eventus can probably get away with telling the Expedition to not go to Asuras, and they'd probably be willing to listen. That would successfully head off the problems with the Asurans.


The Elves definitely aren't going to detect as Lantean. Among other things, they don't have the ATA genes.
The sensors of advanced races are basically space magic clarketech level sensors.
 
If the Asurans can be remote re-programmed does Evan logically have access to that capability? Also, therefore, could he protect the free-will of the friendly Asurans by preventing them from being altered by their hostile faction?

Ninjad on this first part.
My thought is McKay was able to access the Asuran's base program via a specific terminal, and pause them all temporarily. Evan is likely going to be able to access that much easier than McKay will, and has the knowledge to do much more. Without leaving the security hole McKay did.


Problem with just removing Oberon is that even if he's the one who started the rewrites, it's been going on for thousands of years, well past the point of being a self-sustaining process, and the supermajority of Asurans either agreed with him originally and/or has been rewritten to agree with him.

That doesn't mean it's okay to kill them all if another option presents itself though.

Societal change takes time. Plus, the Asurans in cannon didn't exactly have any reason to like the Atlantis expedition. Being frozen has to be scary for everyone not involved. Combine that with a bit of manipulation and the general population probably believed them to be enemies. Which they then proved by trying to glass the planet without even talking.

That's not to say the Asurans are going to be allowed to commit genocide. Just that killing them all is the method of last resort.

Here's one key point to think about.

If nothing else, an Ancient just being there helps temper some of the crazy things that happened in the show. Merely because Earth has to consider the diplomatic implications of someone who explicitly controls the city. Oh, and saving the Asgard buys him stupid amounts of diplomatic credit there too.
 
Except the initial response of the Asurans to the mere existence of the Expedition was to mindrape the first contact and diplomacy team, and send a cityship to attack Atlantis.
That's ... not exactly conducive to the viability of a nonviolent solution or diplomatic approach.


Plus, the Asgard seem likely to be much more involved with and aware of what's going on with the Atlantis Expedition and Pegasus than in canon. The existence of the Asurans is going to smash their Replicator induced trauma triggers hard.

Edit: IMO, the way to deal with the Asurans is either obliterating them - if the faction associated with Niam and the clones of the Atlantis team and Repli-Weir was able to hide among the other Asurans, there's no way to know if hostiles aren't hiding amongst them - or avoiding contacting them in the first place, leaving them to continue sitting on Asuras doing nothing as they have done since the Wraith reprogrammed them for thousands of years.
 
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Oh, and saving the Asgard buys him stupid amounts of diplomatic credit there too.
"Sure, I fixed the Asgard. It was the right thing to do. Oh? You mean I should have mentioned that to someone? Surely that's the Asgard's business?"

Plus, the Asgard seem likely to be much more involved with and aware of what's going on with the Atlantis Expedition and Pegasus than in canon. The existence of the Asurans is going to smash their Replicator induced trauma triggers hard.
Might we expect the Asgard will be willing to listen to Evan on the subject of dealing with the Asurans?

Also, the Vanir, and whether their Asgard transport tech is the basis of the Wraith harvesting beams... We... might expect the Asgard to be... rather interested in that.
 
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"Sure, I fixed the Asgard. It was the right thing to do. Oh? You mean I should have mentioned that to someone? Surely that the Asgard's business?"
Earth/ SGC already know about the Asgard genetic degradation issues, and have since ... either Loki cloned Jack into mini-Jack, or late Season 6, when they evacuated Heimdall, the three old Asgard bodies in stasis, and Thor got captured by Anubis.

Edit: And have been working on finding a solution, thus where Alec Colson got the Asgard DNA for the Asgard he cloned.
 
if the faction associated with Niam and the clones of the Atlantis team and Repli-Weir was able to hide among the other Asurans, there's no way to know if hostiles aren't hiding amongst them

Personally, this feels like the X-Men / super powers debate in different form. I'd suggest we just agree to disagree. We're getting dangerously close to politics.

On another topic, I wonder if Evan can dust off those reactor plans he had as a way to deal with the power issues. Set the city's manufacturing center to produce them while he's gone, then maybe get the Asgard and Atlantis expiration to help him install them.
 
Personally, this feels like the X-Men / super powers debate in different form. I'd suggest we just agree to disagree. We're getting dangerously close to politics.

On another topic, I wonder if Evan can dust off those reactor plans he had as a way to deal with the power issues. Set the city's manufacturing center to produce them while he's gone, then maybe get the Asgard and Atlantis expiration to help him install them.
Fair enough. There aren't any good solutions to the Asuran problem anyways. Just varying degrees of risk vs reward, IMO. And with the Asuran Replicators, I tend to lean towards the lower risk options, since the only time dealing with the Asurans didn't end completely badly in canon was when the splinter faction gave the AR-1 clones the device to track the Asuran warships - and that ended with loosing that offworld fallback site.
Still, the best intermediate term way to address the Asurans is probably to avoid them, thus they would remain ignorant of the Expedition, and would remain sitting on Asuras doing effectively nothing.
Fixing the Asuran code would be a very long term project, at best, anyways. So letting the Asurans sit on Asuras doing nothing until they're ready to deal with them in whatever manner one prefers and/or cannot really get closer to ready while leaving them ignorant of the Expedition and Eventus (ie, might need a look at their current code, especially what the Wraith did) is probably something we can agree on, even if we disagree on what to do about them in the long run.


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Either the fusion reactors or alternative power sources, if not both. With the Asgard helping, it's probably viable to get a bunch of O'Neill class neutrino-ion generators to install on Atlantis. Or some other power source.
The fusion reactors were for backup power, though they'd probably be plenty for most day to day needs.
And Eventus knows about the Wraith Queen in hibernation on the cruiser near the geothermal power station, so it'd probably be doable to gank her, preferably in her sleep, before she can wake up and set the self destruct on the cruiser. If that can be pulled off, it'd be nice to have a Wraith cruiser to study and possibly repair/heal, and would give Teyla some practice with Wraith biotech control interfaces. Or, depending on the specifics, it might be possible to yoink the cruiser before she can wake up, or just remove her from the cruiser, since it is unlikely to have teleportation jammers active. Would probably need an Asgard ship, or a Lantean one refitted with Asgard teleporters to pull that off, since I don't think a 304 could manage it.
 
The sensors of advanced races are basically space magic clarketech level sensors.
I'm afraid I'd disagree... Calling them 'space magic' doesn't get you anywhere. They must be getting their information from somewhere. And, often it's the limitations on (over) tech that make it interesting, even supply the plot-point(s) the story is hung around.

Yes, you can apply arbitrary limits. But it's more fun if there's a bit of logic mixed-in with your handwavium.

'Life sensors' might be a good example - the implication is that living things interact with reality in ways not covered by physics/chemistry, as they are known. Ascended beings can navigate off into 'higher dimensions'. If non-Ascended beings interact even a tiny bit with such dimensions, and that disturbance could be detected...

Also, deliberately (or naturally) disturbing that interaction, might be bad for life, or mess-up the (standard) sensors? So, by asking 'how might it work' you've got some potentially useful bits...

I've sometimes been accused of asking awkward questions. :)
 
Chapter 35 - Departure
Chapter 35 - Departure​


With the now growing lifeforms securely locked away in biolab seventeen, the only thing left on Eventus's list had been a quick trip down to orbital transfer building three to resupply the Enterprise's matter stores via the building's ring array. A task that had taken all of five minutes due to the fact that the Explorer class had been designed with the idea of rapid resupply via matter stream in mind.

Which had left him with just enough time to grab a late lunch of Earth food from the mess hall before heading back down to orbital transfer to translocate himself up to the ship since he really didn't want to bother Hermiod given he was probably in the middle of going over the overly large data file right now.

Or at least, that had been the plan.

"Doctor… Zelenka was it?" He asked the scientist who appeared to be in the middle of cursing at the console along the hexagonal control room's rear wall.

"Oh!" Zelenka exclaimed in a slightly embarrassed tone as he turned around. "Evan, I was just… Well. You probably already know."

"Random power spike investigation?" Eventus tried, since that seemed the most likely given his recent activities in the location.

"Yes." Zelenka confirmed with a nod. "That, I've spent the past ten minutes trying to get this fucked up thing to explain itself and all it's been giving me are errors."

"That station is locked to matter stream regulation." Eventus explained, feeling just a little bad about unintentionally wasting the man's time like that.

He pointed to the console up against the rightmost wall. "That one would be power flow control. Though I'd rather you didn't mess with it right now given I was just about to ring up to the Enterprise."

"Ring…" Zelenka began, only to trail off as his eyes went wide in realization. "Of course! I was wondering why some of the code looked familiar. You know, we've been trying to figure out if Atlantis had anything other than the transport booths since we discovered them."

Frowning slightly the scientist took a moment to look around the room with a new eye. "A ring system seemed most likely given you're the original inventors of the technology, but we haven't been able to find any, and the Daedalus's set weren't able to connect with anything in the city so we had just begun to rule it out entirely."

"The city has three" Eventus offered, figuring out he might as well make it up to the man for dragging him out here. "Orbital transfer one, three, and five. On piers one, three, and five. Which were used for orbiting vessel resupply and direct personnel transfer."

"There used to be a fourth set in the gate room." He continued as he walked over to the console Zelenka was just at and changed the system back to the personnel setting so he could actually use the rings. "But they were removed during the war after the Wraith captured a registered set and used it to translocate a plasma bomb through the stargate shield."

The city had automatically contained the blast with a force field so it didn't end up doing any damage, but it had still been a close enough call that the Council hadn't wanted to risk keeping the rings in place.

"You can do that?" Zelenka asked, furrowing his brow in clear concern.

"The gate shield was originally attenuated to allow pass through of ring system matter streams." Eventus reassured Zelenka as he finished up with that and walked over to one of the inset storage units, tapping it slightly and sending the mental open command. "That was adjusted at the same time the control tower ring system was removed."

It was still attenuated to allow pass through of the short range translocation booth matter stream however, but reintegration from that was handled by the city, and it had stricter safeguards in place then the mostly autonomous ring system did.

Frowning at the empty charging rack he moved over to a similar unit on the other side of the room and opened that, letting out a sign of relief whence found a single semi transparent guest visor on one of the racks.

"Here catch." He said as he tossed the device to Zelenka, wincing slightly when the man nearly fumbled and dropped it to the floor. "That's one of the guest visors that should allow you to see the city's digital layer. The little blue crystal on the right turns it on and the little red one next to it turns it off. Everything else can be controlled via mental or verbal commands."

Zelenka looked down at the device in his hand for a moment before looking back up at Eventus. "That's… I don't… I'm very confused right now…"

Eventus shrugged. "If they're going to have you running around the city investigating minor problems you might as well have something that makes the job easier."

Honestly, Zelenka just radiated such a general feeling of being under-appreciated that Eventus had wanted to give him a small leg up with things to make the scientist's job easier.

"Anyways." He continued as he walked back to the door. "I have a recovery mission to get to, so I hope the city's not too hard on you while I'm gone."

Passing through the doorway he turned down the hall and headed away from the control center, quickly arriving in the circular room that contained the ring transport. Walking to the center of the room, he tapped his foot on the activation trigger and then watched the rings rise up from their recesses before the room vanished in a flash of light as he was translocated to the ring room on the Enterprise.

"I wonder if I should have warned him about messing around with the spectrum settings." He mused as he made his way to the bridge, giving a jaunty wave to the surprised member of Lorne's team he passed along the way.

It wasn't particularly dangerous, but things could get awkward for Zelenka since Eventus doubted any of the expedition's clothing was opaque to all the various spectrum's the visor's sensors covered.

"Evan." Lorne greeted with a smile as he entered the Bridge. "Didn't know the Daedalus beamed you up yet."

"I took the rings up." Eventus said as he plopped himself down in the empty captain's chair. "Still working your way through the ship's flight manual?"

"Page five hundred thirty seven and counting." Lorne returned with a nod as me motioned to the station he was sitting at. "Colonel Caldwell wants me to write up an abbreviated version once I finish."

As far as Eventus knew the current flight manual was nearly nine hundred pages long, and had been written specifically for people unable to just download the information into their head as part of an early push to include non-Lantean's in defensive operations.

It hadn't worked out for a number of reasons that mostly laid at the foot of Lantean ego.

"Understandable." Eventus admitted, truly wishing the man luck with that since the more people who could run the ship the better. "Is McKay and his team on board?"

"They transported up about an hour ago." Lorne confirmed. "I think McKay's currently looking over the available cabins."

Given they were literally all the same outside of location and room orientation that did leave Eventus to wonder what in particular the man was looking for in regards to room choice. But he supposed if it kept the scientist from peppering him with questions about the ship's power systems he could leave him to it.

A quick mental command sent a departure notice to Atlantis and Daedalus, at which point he set the navigation system for the reported coordinates of the Aurora and with the flick of a mental switch engaged the ship's hyperdrive.

"Now." He continued as he focused on Lorne. "What is this Star Trek thing I keep hearing people talk about?"


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Author's Notes: Really, Zelenka is like a giant puppy, you can't help but feel bad for him.

And I'm sure giving Eventus an excuse to know about Star Trek will have no long term repercussions at all.
 
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