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Check. And presumably stuff like armor and regeneration would be easier on a lizard, since it's got that stuff built in already to a lesser degree?
Tinker Quest (Current Character: Ajax Washington)
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Check. And presumably stuff like armor and regeneration would be easier on a lizard, since it's got that stuff built in already to a lesser degree?
Regeneration not so much, since proper regeneration lizard's don't really have. (And there is really no point to simple tail regen when you can make much better.)
However improving the teeth and scales would be easier since they already have it.
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Hmmm. So natural armor and weapons only in terms of easier stuff? That's less compelling than if you can add additional stuff based more on vibes...
I'm curious, no matter which one wins
Can we upgrade minor creations (Kobolds/Igors) in a different area than our main creation?
For example, give the kobold intelligence upgrades while the lizard gets pure physical upgrades?
Or can we only upgrade minor creations in the same area as the main one?
Can we upgrade minor creations (Kobolds/Igors) in a different area than our main creation?
For example, give the kobold intelligence upgrades while the lizard gets pure physical upgrades?
Or can we only upgrade minor creations in the same area as the main one?
Due to your specialty of cloning you have a lot of leeway with your drones. You can think of it that you have 2 lines of minions, Focal which is your main minion and will be where all the big improvements will go. Then you have Drones which are the lesser helpers. You can improve both "lines" of minions separately but you'll always have a much easier time improving your Focal.
In that case, the best thing for the lizard would be to concentrate mainly on physical improvements
With access to kobolds, as long as we improve their intelligence, they can serve as laboratory assistants almost as well as if we had chosen to create a person, of course it will take them a while to reach the level, but considering that neither they nor the person can help us with the complicated part of being a tinker, the need for a laboratory assistant is not that important either, especially at the beginning when our creations would logically be made in a basic way
And it has the advantage of not making us fall all the bay on our heads as soon as we become public
With access to kobolds, as long as we improve their intelligence, they can serve as laboratory assistants almost as well as if we had chosen to create a person, of course it will take them a while to reach the level, but considering that neither they nor the person can help us with the complicated part of being a tinker, the need for a laboratory assistant is not that important either, especially at the beginning when our creations would logically be made in a basic way
And it has the advantage of not making us fall all the bay on our heads as soon as we become public
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Leading Vote:
[] What is your Focus? (This is your main creature; you can create other minor ones, but this is what the vast majority of your efforts will revolve around.)
-[] A lizard: Can crawl up a wall, has thick scales, and could possibly be made into a dragon one day. There is something to be said about the ability to have your own dragon or just a creature that can ignore small-arms fire.
[X] Who are you?
-[X] Ajax Washington
-[X] Male
-[X] young, dark-skinned and with a military buzz cut that's starting to grow out a bit, Ajax has a large, solid build that probably could've made him a linebacker if he'd trained for it. As it stands, he looks like the kind of guy who could put a man on his ass in a fight.
-[X] A scar above his right eye, from an accident when he was a kid.
[] What is your Focus? (This is your main creature; you can create other minor ones, but this is what the vast majority of your efforts will revolve around.)
-[] A lizard: Can crawl up a wall, has thick scales, and could possibly be made into a dragon one day. There is something to be said about the ability to have your own dragon or just a creature that can ignore small-arms fire.
[X] Who are you?
-[X] Ajax Washington
-[X] Male
-[X] young, dark-skinned and with a military buzz cut that's starting to grow out a bit, Ajax has a large, solid build that probably could've made him a linebacker if he'd trained for it. As it stands, he looks like the kind of guy who could put a man on his ass in a fight.
-[X] A scar above his right eye, from an accident when he was a kid.
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I really feel like you're overestimating the forces likely to be sent our way, remember, the whole city is about to catch fire multiple times in a row and we're going to have some very obvious limitations, the thing that tends to make the PRT give you the kill orders is self replication and mass production, things we cannot do.
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According to my math 34/150 actions to fully cover expenses, but we probably want extra for materials and such. If we commit two actions a day with saturdays off we'll spend 52 actions, leaving us with $417 after expenses.
The Assistants still have the same base as the Main Minion, though, so if we go Lizard, we'll still have a harder time improving the Assistants intelligence than if we go with Person, they'll be more fodder troops or manual labour than actual researchers, especially given we'd be mostly researching towards the Lizards improved scales and claws, which would mean improved intelligence would require us splitting our time, instead of it being one of our major research avenues like it would be with Person.
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Honestly the main problem is gonna be trying to make sure we're not in any of the Bakuda blast zones, since she's the biggest threat happening soon.
[X] What is your Focus? (This is your main creature; you can create other minor ones, but this is what the vast majority of your efforts will revolve around.)
-[X] A lizard: Can crawl up a wall, has thick scales, and could possibly be made into a dragon one day. There is something to be said about the ability to have your own dragon or just a creature that can ignore small-arms fire.
Vote for a pet dinosaur.
-[X] A lizard: Can crawl up a wall, has thick scales, and could possibly be made into a dragon one day. There is something to be said about the ability to have your own dragon or just a creature that can ignore small-arms fire.
Vote for a pet dinosaur.
[X] What is your Focus? (This is your main creature; you can create other minor ones, but this is what the vast majority of your efforts will revolve around.)
-[X] A person: It resembles a person, and that has all the upsides and downsides you think it would. It can handle tools, is somewhat smart, and could even fake being a cape, but a handful of people will be really scared of what it represents.
[X] Who are you?
-[X] Ajax Washington
-[X] Male
-[X] young, dark-skinned and with a military buzz cut that's starting to grow out a bit, Ajax has a large, solid build that probably could've made him a linebacker if he'd trained for it. As it stands, he looks like the kind of guy who could put a man on his ass in a fight.
-[X] A scar above his right eye, from an accident when he was a kid.
I hate to flip flop but… seeing the cost of not fixing or heart makes Human more viable… if we can pretend our Clone/Focal is a brother or something living with us, if we can pretend he's not being Tinkered on, if we can get his intelligence fixed, if we can somehow do self-surgery…
If.
I hate that, but seeing our income combined with the cost of that heart medication, that's 4 actions to get our necessary medications alone. 4 out of 20 in a 2 week period. 1/5'th in two weeks and 1/10'th in a month. Just for our heart. Unless we can fix our heart with other Tinker methods in Lizard, Person is our best shot at fixing ourselves.
I hate that I'm choosing Person, and hate that we'll struggle so much with it, but I… think it might be necessary.
Maybe we can hardline our Surgical and organ enhancing Tech, pretend to be a Tinker specializing in 'biological enhancement and repair' and sell our services as a Tinker Healer while making our Focal in secret? We'd still be pretty uncomfortably watched, but it could possibly work…? If we can study anyone with Regen, like Lung, that'd also help. Heck, it would let us trade with Panacea/New Wave to fix our heart in exchange for medical coverage of Panacea should she get injured.
It's… not my favorite, but as long as we're INCREDIBLY careful about it, we could make it work… though Bonesaw would see our efforts and be laughing at someone imitating a lesser version of herself. And probably also furious about it…
Gosh that Heart issue and the meds necessary for it were the last things that ticked Person into the 'worth it' category for me…
-[X] A person: It resembles a person, and that has all the upsides and downsides you think it would. It can handle tools, is somewhat smart, and could even fake being a cape, but a handful of people will be really scared of what it represents.
[X] Who are you?
-[X] Ajax Washington
-[X] Male
-[X] young, dark-skinned and with a military buzz cut that's starting to grow out a bit, Ajax has a large, solid build that probably could've made him a linebacker if he'd trained for it. As it stands, he looks like the kind of guy who could put a man on his ass in a fight.
-[X] A scar above his right eye, from an accident when he was a kid.
I hate to flip flop but… seeing the cost of not fixing or heart makes Human more viable… if we can pretend our Clone/Focal is a brother or something living with us, if we can pretend he's not being Tinkered on, if we can get his intelligence fixed, if we can somehow do self-surgery…
If.
I hate that, but seeing our income combined with the cost of that heart medication, that's 4 actions to get our necessary medications alone. 4 out of 20 in a 2 week period. 1/5'th in two weeks and 1/10'th in a month. Just for our heart. Unless we can fix our heart with other Tinker methods in Lizard, Person is our best shot at fixing ourselves.
I hate that I'm choosing Person, and hate that we'll struggle so much with it, but I… think it might be necessary.
Maybe we can hardline our Surgical and organ enhancing Tech, pretend to be a Tinker specializing in 'biological enhancement and repair' and sell our services as a Tinker Healer while making our Focal in secret? We'd still be pretty uncomfortably watched, but it could possibly work…? If we can study anyone with Regen, like Lung, that'd also help. Heck, it would let us trade with Panacea/New Wave to fix our heart in exchange for medical coverage of Panacea should she get injured.
It's… not my favorite, but as long as we're INCREDIBLY careful about it, we could make it work… though Bonesaw would see our efforts and be laughing at someone imitating a lesser version of herself. And probably also furious about it…
Gosh that Heart issue and the meds necessary for it were the last things that ticked Person into the 'worth it' category for me…
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That's why the best thing would be the lizard
With the city turning upside down because of Bakuda, the best thing would be to have something that according to the QM would be able to resist bullets already at base or with little research, which we can then improve if we are lucky and get Lung's DNA
What can we do if we have a person as our creation?
It was said that it could deal with slightly trained people already at base, but that is not very useful when we are dealing with firearms, bombs or parahumans who are either brutes or have experience dealing with them
Also, if someone discovers that it is a creation (and it is almost certain that someone will do it, like Lisa or Coil) we must expect to be blackmailed or directly Piggot will bring down all the heroes of the county if he gets his way
In itself, the QM already made it clear that, even if we choose a persona and improve it, the heavy lifting would still be mainly ours since we are the tinker and the creation is not
And anyway we are going to have to improve the intelligence of our lizard if we don't want it to get out of control and start killing everything that comes in front of it, which won't cost us that much considering that the lizard makes it easier for us to improve defense, which is what we need most right now
I mean, even if by some miracle we manage to go through the whole Bakuda disaster without dying or having it discovered that our created persona is in fact a creation and therefore suffer the risk of everyone falling on us or Coil coming to blackmail us into serving him, we also have to deal with Leviathan and later with the S9
As if we will have a bad reputation for being biotinkers, I say that we shouldn't make things more difficult for ourselves by choosing something that will make it almost impossible for us to survive in a place with so much dangers like brockton
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Urgh. I'm feeling very ambivalent here. I still prefer a non-human option thematically, but the practical considerations weigh fairly heavily towards a human in the long term...but lizard is better in the short term for several reasons mostly involving bullets. I am not happy with either option at this point. Urgh.
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You realize that the lizard is going to get turned into cheddar cheese if anyone actually wants us dead, right? It's a big but mundane apex predator and is going to die or be useless when placed in front of the vast majority of parahumans in this city (which is what anyone interested in fucking with a new Tinker with send along.) That's to say nothing of, say, a dude with a machine gun or some grenades, which I think have very good chances of killing or at the very least seriously maiming it.
Yeah, the short-term benefits of Lizard don't really hold up when you consider that it'll be up against, say, Hookwolf, or Stormtiger, or Krieg, or Oni Lee. At least a Person is smart enough to make basic tactical decisions, like running the fuck away, the Lizard would just die early on.
First of all, considering that pretty soon everyone will agree to put aside their grudges in order to face Bakuda, we'll probably have enough time to upgrade his physical abilities (which would cost us less) and give him some tricks like invisibility based on chameleon camouflage, and in case we do encounter someone using a machine gun or grenades, the person will resist even less than the lizard and at least the lizard has a chance of at least being able to regenerate a limb if it survives if we research lizard regeneration.
Also, if we choose a person it will be more difficult for us to hide him than if we chose a lizard, since with one it would be easier to simply leave him in the sewers and it is almost impossible for him to catch something in that area, the other probably has the same risk of getting sick as a normal person
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I think that any animal has enough intelligence to run away if it thinks that it is facing some creature that is superior to it, and even if the lizard could not have that thought, we can definitely give it the order and for sure a lizard can run faster than a person and on top of that we can probably use it as a mount from the beginning.
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The QM specified that Lizard isn't gonna have regeneration easier than any other, so either one is gonna have to have us fixing them if a limb gets taken out.
Also from what I remember double-posting is discouraged on the forum.
I had understood that it would not be easier to give him advanced regeneration, but that the regeneration of simply growing another limb would preserve it.
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Almost all of that is also true of the human, and regardless, I have serious doubts we can take our big scary lizard from that to something with a brute rating in… what? 2 weeks? How long does the Bakuda mess take?
… I'm sorry, can you rephrase that? Because I have no idea what you're trying to say.
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5 days, Taylor fights Lung on the 10th to 11th, and the fight between the Undersiders and Bakuda is the 15th.
Edit: The bomb spree only was a day in canon, presumably if Lung isn't able to escape it will be longer.
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Sorry, English is far from my first language
1, The main difference is that at least the lizard would come with small arms resistance, and I doubt the ABB has machine guns everywhere, plus animals are better at tracking which would help us find people and it should be big enough to serve as a mount
2, I meant, I thought the lizard would come with regeneration at the level of normal lizards, that is, it is able to regenerate its tail and maybe some limbs, but it will not have super regeneration at the level of regenerating half a torso or similar
That's why we should choose ants, because we can get a few minions very quickly (probably if we make the growth faster) and if we improve the queen, this will also be transferred to the offspring, so we don't have to improve all of them individually, but only the queen, which then produce the improved offspring