But wait can't we only make one monsterTbh, I'm only voting lizard so we can make Deathclaws and Deathclaw variants.
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I still will vote for shoggoth, or at least for something which easily can become one.
[X] What is your Focus? (This is your main creature; you can create other minor ones, but this is what the vast majority of your efforts will revolve around.)
[X] What is your Focus? (This is your main creature; you can create other minor ones, but this is what the vast majority of your efforts will revolve around.)
-[X] Unicellular: An amorphous flexible something with a membrane, similar to an amoeba or mucus. It's like someone took a single-celled organism and enlarged it to your scale.
If thing doesn't have cellular structure, but more like an organic machine made of proteins and complex chemicals working in tandem, it makes it harder to counter using orthodox methods. Viruses not going to work as usual, because there is no cellular structure. EMP not going to work as good, because this thing is not a type of electronics. It's an amalgamate of sorts, microscopic thing made big and made adapted to play by the rules of bigger scale. This is why I want ultimately go for shoggoth from Unicellular beginning.
If thing doesn't have cellular structure, but more like an organic machine made of proteins and complex chemicals working in tandem, it makes it harder to counter using orthodox methods. Viruses not going to work as usual, because there is no cellular structure. EMP not going to work as good, because this thing is not a type of electronics. It's an amalgamate of sorts, microscopic thing made big and made adapted to play by the rules of bigger scale. This is why I want ultimately go for shoggoth from Unicellular beginning.
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Now that I think about it, depending on how smart and self-aware the Kobolds are (or how comedically inclined the QM is), those guys could still perfectly act like Igors and we could dress them up or put wigs on them still
It wouldn't be the same, but it could still do the trick and we'd have a dragon (possibly pink for LOLs) to show Lung who's the superior dragonborn if we somehow get lucky enough to get him to crit Leviathan and he's unlucky enough to constantly fail his rolls
It wouldn't be the same, but it could still do the trick and we'd have a dragon (possibly pink for LOLs) to show Lung who's the superior dragonborn if we somehow get lucky enough to get him to crit Leviathan and he's unlucky enough to constantly fail his rolls
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I assume they're planning on going Deathclaw over Dragon.
That feels unlike enough to not be worth planning on.
I mean… that's fair. But at least it's ONLY one group, and not until the thing actually looks like a dragon. Right now? It's a lizard. A monster. But not specifically hated- not into we call it a dragon where they can discover that fact, or it starts to look like one. At which point it'll already have a reputation, unless I miss my mark.
But yeah. Even with the ABB part, it isn't universal hatred and fear like with the Human Master aspect.
Unfortunately, I think QM already said that bacteria were not valid animals for the sake of the vote. I could be wrong, but let me go digging to check.
One of the funniest things about quests (or roleplaying games) is seeing absurd things happen simply because the dice were rolled to be funny.
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But there are some good giant Single Cell organisms in the world! Like, slime molds!
Unfortunately, I found the quote. It appears your hopes are not to be. Nothing like bacteria seems to be allowed. Gotta choose something else.
But you're not operating on an equal level of upgrades. We know nothing about how the supposed options will work or where "human-resembling" intelligence will sit in those options. I can't say for sure you're wrong but you can't say for sure you're right. Right now I'm seeing a choice between something combat-ready that we'll be able to control in simple engagements, and something combat-unready that will need further investment and training to get ready for complex engagements. And it won't be as useful for the simple engagements in the meantime!
And the thing I quoted just now says the dragon would work.
I gave you several reasons why it would work and you hunkered down on the project being impractical due to time and resources. Now I'm saying that reasonably impersonating a human is more than just avoiding conversation. It's body language, it's being able to understand people and things around you, it's about understanding things like crosswalks and push/pull doors. You want a social infiltrator unit and I'm saying that's a lot more complicated than you want to believe.
Seriously, where are you trying to go with this? Like, conceptually, story-wise, are we doing like a Big Hero 6 or classic Frankenstein sorta deal?
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That's a little bit extreme, we tangibly and obviously aren't Nilbog level (he killed his whole city in a week) Blaso had a long and reasonably storied career from what I can tell, and Piggot would need to justify sending a big team to kick our shit in when there are Nazis in her city.
Yeah, but making a plan which relies on rolling 5 natural 20s in a row usually ends in your grisly demise.
Wait wait wait time out, when did I say the dragon wouldn't work? I have problems with how it would function but I have never intended to say it would not function.
Specifically I don't love the idea of having to give commands to our pokemon out in the open when team rocket has guns and isn't particularly afraid to kill us with them.
Is it not Frankenstein because I want that.
By the way, can I take the tower plan and make a story of my own based on that?
It sounded pretty interesting and I got the urge to write something based on it.
It sounded pretty interesting and I got the urge to write something based on it.
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Ok, maybe something like an octopus can be a good start. I don't like person or lizard, because it seems too obvious.
[X] What is your Focus? (This is your main creature; you can create other minor ones, but this is what the vast majority of your efforts will revolve around.)
-[X] An octopus: smart, sneaky and versatile, you could even use the bay to transport itself and hide it.
[X] What is your Focus? (This is your main creature; you can create other minor ones, but this is what the vast majority of your efforts will revolve around.)
-[X] An octopus: smart, sneaky and versatile, you could even use the bay to transport itself and hide it.
I'll put it as bluntly as possible. As long as we are not pinned to the wall, we deny any even hypothetical connection with S-class threats.
Moreover, it is rather doubtful that this question will arise itself, for example, I do not remember anyone openly comparing Blasto with Nilbog, despite the fact that in theory he could do something similar in scale.
Because I literally lose all my enthusiasm when I hear about these lizards. If you need to extract something from this concept, it's better to create a dinosaur than this walking cliche.
What makes you think I have a goal of avoiding it?
I like it when the narrative doesn't forget that the Capes' powers are tied to their injury. I don't see the point in giving that up just because it's a hardship that would make the game more interesting.
I mean, didn't people know what they were getting into when they voted for the biotinker plan that references Dr. Frankenstein?
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If you want Frankenstein then vote person, it's the closest to what you want, maybe throw in an approval vote for ape if you feel like it.
I mean… the QM themselves said it would take a long time for it to bare fruit and that it would kinda suck until then.
Please don't put words in my mouth, we don't need a social infiltrator or to hold conversations, we need something that can pass a human while it beats people up in alleyways in the middle of the night, this thing doesn't need to be social, that would be great but it wouldn't be necessary.
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I already voted
Is it a quest?
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Ah shit, my bad. Sorry.
Go for it man, it's a concept worth sharing. It'd be nice to see it get a chance to shine.
I quoted the "person" entry and you grabbed the "could imitate a cape" part, so I quoted the "lizard" entry and grabbed the "could be a dragon" part. I interpreted both "coulds" as archetype aspirations for their respective entries, prestige classes if you will. I do not belive we can immediately have a minion capable of imitating a cape any more than we can immediately have a dragon.
Well we'll have that either way unless you want to trust the Person-shaped minion to understand the concept of reasonable force. For that matter, the lizard is likely to become bulletproof a lot earlier than the person, judging by their respective entries.
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Actually, fair point, I'll agree that any in depth deception, like a conversation, would be out of our reach on an immediate timescale, but as mentioned we don't need that. We need to not be found when we start sending it to beat people up.
Honestly? Risk I'm willing to take. It's not like I think a Komodo dragon is going to be able to reliably pull off nonlethal takedowns, even with us micro managing it.
Blasto also wasn't creating 'obviously humans' and very obviously altering their very human brains as an inbuilt part of their power that was obvious from how the creatures trendiness functioned.
Blasto did a number of things, but I can't recall any human clones, nor can I recall any creations that saw leaps in intelligence after being revealed. His 'Human Master' potential was not obvious, and never made so- unless I'm getting something wrong about Canon? I'm appears open to sourced citations proving me wrong if I'm missing something that proves me wrong from Canon.
We would be the exact opposite- one very obvious human creation, which sees drastic changes in intellect level as we Tinker on an obviously human equivalent brain.
That's a very massive and distinct difference. No, we're not Nilbog. But we're a master, Or could easily be one with how we Tinker on Human-level brains consistently. That's a very easy leap to make, and much harder with Lizards or other animals. After all, we have no rush to speech or such levels of intellect for them, and if we do it's easier to claim "only works on [insert non-human non-simian animal here]" than "can't do actual humans, manipulating the brain of this creation so identical to a human it can easily pass for one even at sub-human intelligence is totally not a skill I can apply to other humans. Trust me."
One is significantly easier to claim than the other. Especially when everything we've ever done has revolved around Lizards or Octopi or Bees. It's building an obvious line of evidence that we have a power-related restriction, which makes trusting it can't target humans much easier than if the focus effectively IS humans, as far as anyone looking for an excuse is concerned. IE Piggot.
If she doesn't even trust Panacea to heal her, why would she trust any obviously human-focused bio-tinker? The allegations are going to fly: The less obvious and less realistic they are/seem, the better.
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No? We very explicitly won't be able to make human brains or a while, and if they figure out it's a biotinker minion, it's probably because the thing is going to do something dumb or obviously inhuman… or they get a corpse, in which case they'll notice it's Brain isn't human.
See above.
1. I never once actively wanted to compare ourselves with an S-class threat. I was only trying to clarify that IF such an action was taken, Nilbog was infinitely more likely to be a viable target than someone like the Blasphemies or the Endbringers. Those were bright up as examples and it felt ridiculous when the original comment was talking about mocking Nilbog to distance ourselves from his image. Which I assumed was more of a "only if we're already being conflated to him" action rather than an intentional " do this to start the discussion" thing.
2. That's fair. I love dragons, but I also love Bees and would be happy if they won. Insects of any kind would be awesome, even if they'd also have their own sucky image issues- Taylor knows that very well. Still way better than Human/Person as the focus.
3. We don't know what our trigger was- it was specifically mentioned by the QM that the trigger wasn't being chosen yet. I assume so the creature chosen could still BE chosen and then the trigger retroactively made to fit the end result, so I'm ignoring those arguments for it. I can go digging for those Author statements, but right now all we have is a backstory that has a really sucky event in it. While we have a bunch of smaller issues that all led to the Trigger, we don't know what finally actually caused the snap. Maybe he found a lizard corpse in his bed, maybe he found a bee-hive and had a small heart attack…
Anything could still fit very easily. Person isn't the most fitting, just the most fitting if nothing else is added to the Trigger. The rest are still 100% viable and easily fit the Trigger. It also doesn't necessarily make it more interesting. Just harder and with different/more challenges.
1. Looks human, can act human, unless dissected they're going to assume human brains as well. And even if you CAN figure out it isn't human, that's not going to settle very many nerves- and it'll be RIGHT back to everyone's front of mind when the creature starts acting and talking like a human, and showing actual thought.
I'm pointing out that the assumption will be 'he's made a human'. Shortly after, as the intellect and actions of the creature noticeably shift impossibly quickly- sudden jumps in cognitive ability- people are going to quickly make the assumption 'he's messing with its brain. He can do human level brains'. Because we saw how reactions to Taylor were wildly skewed against her in favor of amplifying her assumed threat, and she wasn't even a bio-tinker, just a Master with a scary minion set.
Thanks to Nilbog and Bonesaw, we're GOING to be disliked from the get go. If we go human, that's GOING to be major and almost impossible to recover from. Especially once they realize we're actively messing with its brains- and they WILL pick up on that.
2. As I said. It's all about assumptions and fear-mongering. Which will be against us 100% of the time, and just have easier access to more terrifying ammunition if we use Person.
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Ok, before I get to everything else, I'm confused, what exactly are you referring to here?
In canon, as long as I'm not remembering things incorrectly, her Master rating was artificially raised while she was a villain. Instead of accurately representing her actual abilities, it was shown as being higher than it deserved to be specifically so responses to her could be adjusted accordingly.
This might've been because she was so resourceful with her powers and so dangerous to fight, but I could've sworn Taylor specifically noted how high her rating was as being more than she'd expected it to be.
If it's irrelevant or otherwise inaccurate I can remove it from my message.