Bound By Oath And Honor - An ASOIAF Hedge Knight Quest

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[X] Plan: Keep Away From The Nobles For Now

- while i dont mind stealing or conning people out of their money, we are in a too small a town and people will likely remember, hence if we ever steal again, it should be in a bigger place where we can disappear in the crowd.
 
Azel said:
The Sept is pretty much the last place that would care about your clothes.
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That is a point, but I don't know what I'd drop for it, honestly? The rumors seem pretty important to get a lay of the land, and we do have a good Intrigue to help us if it comes down to that. (Technically I guess rumor-gathering could be Diplomacy, but it feels like cutting anything involving rumor-gathering from Intrigue would leave it too limited, considering just how much of spycraft is literally just rumor-gathering IRL.)
 
The Laurent said:
That is a point, but I don't know what I'd drop for it, honestly? The rumors seem pretty important to get a lay of the land, and we do have a good Intrigue to help us if it comes down to that. (Technically I guess rumor-gathering could be Diplomacy, but it feels like cutting anything involving rumor-gathering from Intrigue would leave it too limited, considering just how much of spycraft is literally just rumor-gathering IRL.)
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Nah, that's firmly Intrigue. The more important bit than getting people to talk is after all to figure out what part of the stuff you got told is actually reliable and what's just embellishment and lies.

Charismatic is still useful there though.
 
Azel said:
Nah, that's firmly Intrigue. The more important bit than getting people to talk is after all to figure out what part of the stuff you got told is actually reliable and what's just embellishment and lies.

Charismatic is still useful there though.
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...there is some world where we wind up some sort of ad hoc, makeshift spy master at some point, less of the, "Manipulating and assassinating enemies" sort, and more the simplistic, totally far less useful version where you actually just gather information and use it to aid decisions rather than plotting to murder your lord, which as everyone knows is the real important Master of Whispers tactic.
 
The Laurent said:
...there is some world where we wind up some sort of ad hoc, makeshift spy master at some point, less of the, "Manipulating and assassinating enemies" sort, and more the simplistic, totally far less useful version where you actually just gather information and use it to aid decisions rather than plotting to murder your lord, which as everyone knows is the real important Master of Whispers tactic.
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Imagine accurate information about enemy troop movements mattering more than a personal collection of lethal poisons. Sounds unrealistic. :V
 
Azel said:
Imagine accurate information about enemy troop movements mattering more than a personal collection of lethal poisons. Sounds unrealistic. :V
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Yeah. what I kinda feel people get wrong is that a spymaster gets conflicted with a master of assassins. A spymasters main purpose is to gather intel, then informing their liege and then asking if they either blackmail, extort, bribe, start pruning (getting people killed) or more. The liege part and level of independence may vary on the scale of the issue. A master of assassins main focus is getting people killed with detailed intel being secondary (enough intel to make killing a person easier.)
 
noname12354 said:
Yeah. what I kinda feel people get wrong is that a spymaster gets conflicted with a master of assassins. A spymasters main purpose is to gather intel, then informing their liege and then asking if they either blackmail, extort, bribe, start pruning (getting people killed) or more. The liege part and level of independence may vary on the scale of the issue. A master of assassins main focus is getting people killed with detailed intel being secondary (enough intel to make killing a person easier.)
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Funnily enough the show actually was fairly good about this with the main role of all spymasters and de facto spymasters (Varys, Littlefinger, Qyburn) being the maintenance of an actual information network and doing their own politicking through the way they reported their findings to various people.

But evil poisoner is just such a genre staple that it keeps creeping in.
 
[X] Plan: Keep Away From The Nobles For Now
I make a plan that substitute gathering rumor with Praying if some people are interested.
[ ] Plan: Listen to the word of Gods
-[ ] [Ser Orton] Learn from Ser Orton.
-[ ] Try to find some work in the town.
-[ ] Buy travelling clothes. (Free)
-[ ] Attend services in the Sept.
 
Azel said:
Funnily enough the show actually was fairly good about this with the main role of all spymasters and de facto spymasters (Varys, Littlefinger, Qyburn) being the maintenance of an actual information network and doing their own politicking through the way they reported their findings to various people.

But evil poisoner is just such a genre staple that it keeps creeping in.
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I don't think the books were completely terrible at it, but I cannot think of a single spymaster that didn't wind up actually plotting against their liege and having this much grander scope than "information network" and that kinda did shape my interest in Intrigue... and to be fair, this is a Knight Quest so in a way the fact that we can spec into Intrigue is hilarious.

Not in some, "They're honorable" sense, but just because it's not really a sub-type of knight in the way that ninja were sorta-kinda (complicated, but whatever) a type of Samurai. :V
 
The Laurent said:
I don't think the books were completely terrible at it, but I cannot think of a single spymaster that didn't wind up actually plotting against their liege and having this much grander scope than "information network" and that kinda did shape my interest in Intrigue... and to be fair, this is a Knight Quest so in a way the fact that we can spec into Intrigue is hilarious.

Not in some, "They're honorable" sense, but just because it's not really a sub-type of knight in the way that ninja were sorta-kinda (complicated, but whatever) a type of Samurai. :V
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I mean, everyone plotting against everyone and betraying people left and right is basically the default state of ASOIAF.

As for the intrigue... well... you are not exactly a conventional knight in the first place.
 
I think it'll be fun playing someone who is surprisingly good at intrigue and reading into people, while also being incredibly good at fighting. The first time someone assumes we're a brute or naive fool who can be manipulated and used easily, only to have the tables reversed on them will be great XD.
 
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