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To Secure this Beachhead of Worker's Power: A Soviet Union Quest.

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[x] Plan: Common Lenin W
-[x] Leninist Reform Plan
-[x] Agree to the meeting, but make no other comment
-[x] Let's keep what friends we have
-[x] Proletarians, not Bourgeois Specialists
 
[x] Plan: Common Lenin W
-[x] Leninist Reform Plan
-[x] Agree to the meeting, but make no other comment
-[x] Let's keep what friends we have
-[x] Proletarians, not Bourgeois Specialists
 
Fireiy said:
Before this cscades into another pile of conflicting vote formats, @Ultrackius can I ask you to have your plan formatted like so instead? This extends to other votes too so that SV's vote tally can count them properly.

[] Plan: Common Lenin W
-[]Leninist Reform Plan
-[]Agree to the meeting, but make no other comment
-[]Let's keep what friends we have
-[]Proletarians, not Bourgeois Specialists
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Yeah no problem

[X] Plan: Common Lenin W
-[X]Leninist Reform Plan
-[X]Agree to the meeting, but make no other comment
-[X]Let's keep what friends we have
-[X]Proletarians, not Bourgeois Specialists
 
[X]Leninist Reform Plan
[X]Agree to the meeting, but make no other comment
[X]The Narodnik Knows the Peasants Best
[X]Proletarians, not Bourgeois Specialists

I feel like empowering the Left-SRs in order to also gain with peasants seems reasonable.
 
[X] It isn't much but it's honest work
-[X] Maintain the status quo
-[X] Agree to the meeting, but make no other comment
-[X] The Narodnik Knows the Peasants Best
-[X] Proletarians, not Bourgeois Specialists

We are Sovnarkom it is common sense to not give more power to others unnecessarily.

If they start with outrageous demands we can just leave.

She has got this.

Youth is the back bone of the nation let them participate.
 
[x] Plan: Soviet Centralist

Given we have multiple parties I'm concerned about how farming things out to them would actually work.
 
[X] Leninist Reform Plan
[X]Agree to the meeting, but make no other comment
[X]The Narodnik Knows the Peasants Best
[X]Proletarians, not Bourgeois Specialists

Hopefully a step forward for a possible Worker-Peasant Alliance?

Edited: because voting for new plan
 
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[X] Plan: Common Lenin W
-[X] Leninist Reform Plan
-[X] Agree to the meeting, but make no other comment
-[X] Let's keep what friends we have
-[X] Proletarians, not Bourgeois Specialists

[X] Department Of Technological Acquisition

[X] Establishing Collective Ownership Of Agricultural Machinery
 
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As the person that suggested the agricultural potential survey, I think we should hand this responsibility to Spinova. Opportunities to improve relations with the Left-SRs and by extension the peasentry are hard to come by, and she actually plans to collect the full information, enabling us to implement further reaching agricultural reforms and improvments. This does empower the central commitee a bit, but this balance is a small prive for staying on good terms with the SRs. And since we choose to remain a multi-party system, this is quite important.

While Spinova's fuller survey will add costs, accurate agricultural info is going to be worth it's weight in gold. Industrialization will require striking a careful balance between agricultural production and industrial growth, with agricultural exports being one of the few ways to obtain capital to start industrialization and modernization. An accurate understanding of how to best optimize our agriculture is really, really important. If we are going to spend money, comprehending the actual state of our agriculture is one of the vest places for spending. I really can't overstate the importance of agricultural policy to the early years of the Soviet Union.

So I would encourage everybody to vote "The Narodnik Knows The Peasents Best" rather than the compromise. We should strive for more than half-measures if we aim to keep our alliance with the peasentry, especially with the peace treaty being remarkably controversial.
 
[X] Plan: Soviet Centralist

How do we propose ideas to be voted on? I want us to recognize the various nationalities and ethnic makeup of the Union and avoid the Russification programs of the Tsars (and later leaders).
 
[X] Agree to the meeting, but make no other comment
[X] The Narodnik Knows the Peasants Best
[X] Proletarians, not Bourgeois Specialists

I'd vote for one of the actual plans, but I have too little understanding of Little Sovnarkom to make a decision there and thereby select a full plan. So only voting for 3/4 of the options.
 
Traveller76 said:
[X] Plan: Soviet Centralist

How do we propose ideas to be voted on? I want us to recognize the various nationalities and ethnic makeup of the Union and avoid the Russification programs of the Tsars (and later leaders).
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The information would be under the informational tab, specifically Form For Adding Agenda Items.
Curby said:
I am adding a new mechanic to this quest.
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Some slight recommendations: This motion will be reviewed by central committee members, who can impose changes and conditions onto your proposal or deny it. The proposal will be reviewed with a certain ideological bias. Also, a motion in parliament is one thing, the enforcement is quite another. Voting to recognize minorities wouldn't by itself be more than a symbolic gesture in my estimation.

@Curby Did we adopt the RSFSR 1918 constitution in this timeline? The government structure seems to indicate so. If this is the case, Article 2 paragraph 11 would lay out the ability for ethnic minorities to form autonomous soviet republics and Article 2 paragraph 22 proclaims racial equality.
11. The soviets of those regions which differentiate themselves by a special form of existence and national character may unite in autonomous regional unions, ruled by the local congress of the soviets and their executive organs.
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22. The Russian Socialist Federated Soviet Republic, recognizing the equal rights of all citizens, irrespective of their racial or national connections, proclaims all privileges on this ground, as well as oppression of national minorities, to be contrary to the fundamental laws of the Republic.
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The key is to ensure these ideals are actually enforced, rather than just remaining on paper.
 
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Red Rationalist said:
The information would be under the informational tab, specifically Form For Adding Agenda Items.

Some slight recommendations: This motion will be reviewed by central committee members, who can impose changes and conditions onto your proposal or deny it. The proposal will be reviewed with a certain ideological bias. Also, a motion in parliament is one thing, the enforcement is quite another. Voting to recognize minorities wouldn't by itself be more than a symbolic gesture in my estimation.

@Curby Did we adopt the RSFSR 1918 constitution in this timeline? The government structure seems to indicate so. If this is the case, Article 2 paragraph 11 would lay out the ability for ethnic minorities to form autonomous soviet republics and Article 2 paragraph 22 proclaims racial equality.


The key is to ensure these ideals are actually enforced, rather than just remaining on paper.
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Yes, but there are some important differences in the language due to the greater prominence of the left-SR's in the first government. Article 2, paragraph 22 remains unchanged, but the equivalent to Article 2, Paragraph 11 reads...

The Soviets of those regions with a particular national character may, with the consent of the executive committee of soviets, unite in semi-autonomous regional unions, ruled by the local congress of soviets and their executive organs, while still being subject to the laws issued by the executive committee.
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As for the question of sovnarkom, by "Central committee", do you mean the central committee of Sovnarkom, or of the Bolshevik Party? Presently, agenda items are reviewed by a dedicated agenda committee as well as whatever commissar has "jurisdiction" over the proposed matter. The Agenda committee already has the power to request changes, but it cannot simply impose them (though in practice, it often does). This is in keeping with Lenin's notion of "Collegiality".
 
Curby said:
Yes, but there are some important differences in the language due to the greater prominence of the left-SR's in the first government. Article 2, paragraph 22 remains unchanged, but the equivalent to Article 2, Paragraph 11 reads...
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Huh, I see. Thank you for the information, it looks like our basic adminstrative structure is slightly more centralized in respect to autonomous soviet republics. Of course, that is all on paper and I expect the actually existing degree of autonomy to be informed via our relations with the autonomous republics, especially the Ukranians.
 
So, with this in mind I'm voting for plan "It's not much, but it's honest work". I'm personally most alligned with this and think parliament's power should be strengthed and this plan moves towards that than rule being done by an executive clique. Though I wouldn't be unhappy with Lenin's reform plan winning either, we need more adminstrators at the helm. What's most important is that the SR get the survey and we continue our working relationship with them.

[X] It isn't much but it's honest work
-[X] Maintain the status quo
-[X] Agree to the meeting, but make no other comment
-[X] The Narodnik Knows the Peasants Best
-[X] Proletarians, not Bourgeois Specialists

And since the last agenda addition went so well, I might as well draft up some more. This time, I will try to lay the groundwork for actual technological modernization

[X] Department Of Technological Acquisition
Motion To Add To The Agenda: This motion proposes the founding of a body of technical and engineering experts to acquire modern technology and industrial techniques. This body would be tasked to research patent applications, importing specific pieces of technology, attempt the reverse engineering of foreign technology, the study of a specific area of technology and the training of production lines and maintainance staff for them.
Reason For The Agenda Item: The Soviet Government is lagging behind in the introduction of modern technology, especially in the military, industrial and agricultural areas. With the limited technical base of the Soviet Government, the most straightforward solution is to fund a technical department to learn independently from already developed technologies rather than loose the technological race by mainly relying on national efforts or introduce a long-term dependence on imports of foreign capital and bourgeois specialists like a capitalist agrarian nation would. This department would form a central, streamlined effort to overcome technical hurdles via reverse engineering pieces of foreign technology, as well as an expert body to advise the Soviet Union in the introduction of new pieces of technology. The potential introduction of capital machinery from adversarial nations in the near future makes this department a priority.
Proposed Policy Directions: This motion proposes the founding of a centralized body of technical and engineering experts to aid the Soviet Government in acquiring new technology. Having a body of experts that specialize in learning from existing, advanced pieces of technology and learning the industrial techniques required to produce them domestically would help the Soviet Government adopt technologies faster via specializations and allow them to reduce the dependence on foreign technical expertise and imports. For instance, if the Soviet Government decided to import agricultural tractors from a more developed capitalist nation, this nation would have every incentive to keep the technological exchange minimal to maintain both their market and a means to enforce concessions onto the people's government. This department would rectify the issue by studying and analyzing the acquired technology independently, acquiring technical expertise by itself that can than be used by the wider economy to produce independently of foreign technical expertise. This body could also help the Soviet Government make more informed decisions in acquiring new pieces of technology in the first place, having the expertise to evaluate existing machinery.

[X] Establishing Collective Ownership Of Agricultural Machinery
Motion To Add To The Agenda: This motion proposes the establishment of collectively owned tractor stations, in an effort to increase access to labor saving technology among rural communities and to implement the collective ownership of the means of production. These stations would lend out tractors to local peasants, allowing broad and equal access to mechanization rather than restricting it to to those most well off.
Reason For The Agenda Item: Soviet Agriculture is far less mechanized then the agriculture of other great nations. At the same time, the Soviet Union is likely to pursue a policy of industrialization and increasing the military buildup in the near future, resulting in increased demand for labor that will likely be partially provided via rural to urban migration. This in turn makes good access to agricultural machinery a national priority in addition to the general aim of this government to establish collective ownership over the means of production, which this motion aims to address.
Proposed Policy Direction: This motion proposes proposes the creation of Machine Tractor Station, stations which would lend collectively owned tractors to agricultural producers. This form of collective ownership would increase general access to labour saving agricultural machinery, pool agricultural capital and thus ease the burden of maintenance while taking a concrete step towards abolishing private ownership in agriculture. The increased access to agricultural machinery should also foster good will among the peasentry in addition to reducing the necessary agricultural labour. Thus, the establishment of collective ownership of agricultural machinery should be pursued.
 
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