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[X] Do not offer such a trade. The humans have not proven they are worthy of such knowledge and "is not fallen to Dhar, is not fallen to Chaos, is not fallen to depravity" does not a worthy student make.
To Shield the World (Warhammer High Elf Mage Quest)
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Aliya
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Poor Hedgemages, safest possible lore (if very weak), and are constantly dissed.
Not only that, they were annoyed by bunch of self-righteous Witch Hunters when they were just minding their own business.
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[x] Offer a knowledge trade to Annora of Tilea, with all the possible consequences. Mad, yes, but possible, and perhaps necessary both to repel the northerners and protect the menhirs.
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Intruding on Teclis' thing of finally making magic safe for the Empire by teaching humans how to properly gasp it without exploding was always going to be a hard sell, never mind when they then decided to load it with late-90's brainworms everywhere.
The only reason Teclis was able to do that is because Magnus the Pious agreed and worked with him in building up the Colleges of Magic and drafted the Articles of Magic which legitimized the said colleges to be government-sanctioned Imperial Wizards.
And that desperate times call for desperate measures during the Great War Against Chaos too as well.
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Quoted from Soul's discord without comment.I said:Vardanis will be gratified to know that apparently High Magic is easier to cast when Ghur is blowing strongest, for instance
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I mean, I get that is supposed to be the thing, but when you actually look at the numbers, Hedgecraft is actually pretty safe, just low powered and reagents are required instead of optional. So, Teclis' big accomplishment is actually teaching humans how to be useful to the state in a reliable way instead of teaching humans how to magic safely.
Thing is, magic users were always useful to the state. It was just that divine magic users of the legal cults had a legally enforced monopoly.
The Colleges (and Hedgewise), are basically competition both in terms of potential recruits and for supernatural services.
Well, in my head (for what that's worth) it's less just "safe," and more, "incredibly weaponizable and mostly safe." Any color wizard will slap a Hedgewise silly even pre-Teclis, those little Hamlet wisepeople just don't have the chops for war whatsoever.
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Apparently, Old Enough.
(Vardanis is very bad at estimating human ages)
Loremaster vs. Archmage
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So I've dropped some notes on this here and there, but I figure I may as well actually get what I see as the big four differences between Archmages and Loremasters down in plain white electrons at some point and mark it for ease of reference.
Archmages:
-Qhaysh
-Ulthuan lore
-Pedigree
-Unlimited Power!
Loremasters:
-White Tower influence
-Foreign Lore
-Martial Prowess
-Esoteric Bullshit
Archmages:
-Qhaysh
-Ulthuan lore
-Pedigree
-Unlimited Power!
Loremasters:
-White Tower influence
-Foreign Lore
-Martial Prowess
-Esoteric Bullshit
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For me it's a no brainer: there are so few quests where we actually get to touch Qhaysh.
Well, unless you go north of the border and the hedgewise stop getting called hedgewise and start being hag witches.
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Yeah Archmage just for the plain truth that is pretty much the exclusive ability of High Elves Mages and Slann. And a Slann quest is very different to a High Elf quest. Loremaster seems cool as well, but if I have to choose between the two I'd have to choose Archmage.
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Lore vs Gameplay difference - in lore, you can stop armies by yourself with Qhaysh (not just Slann - Teclis also stops an army with a Qhaysh spell), but that cannot be true in a game without some funny balancing.
Qhaysh is also the greatest anti-chaos school of magic that exists and if you are skilled enough you can use it when the winds are such a storm that any mono-wind spell would twist instantly to dhar.
All benefits of all individuals winds of magic, no of their downsides
Besides, if we became a loremaster it would mean we need to also master the sword, and Kronos knows the only weapon and elf REALLY needs is a good spear.
Qhaysh and Ulthan lore is the most interesting to me from this.
Foreign Lore and Esoteric bullshit is what captures my attention here.
Yeah I'm inclined to go for Archmage because Qhaysh is bullshit and restricted to High Eleves and Slann so getting acess to it is a big deal.
Low level reality manipulation once you get good enough.
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The eight winds have themes that restrict what they can do. They're vague, and broad, but still restricting.
Qhaysh typically does not have that restriction. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
To take another lore based example: Ulthuan's elfpower contribution to the great war against chaos of 2300 was 3 archmages.