- Location
- The Sea of Souls
You're not in an instanced zone, it's just in a remote part of the overworld. The buggy is there. Maybe it spawned there. Maybe someone drove it there. Maybe it flew there. You don't know.
Persona: HEAVEN (Persona/Sword Art Online/Isekai Multicross)
- Thread starter afreaknamedpete
- Start date
- Crossover Sci-Fi Fantasy
- Location
- The Z-Cave
Wait a minute...
We just know that someone is firing at us with an EXACTO Sniper not that it's M and while the starship plating is a key part of his strategy he's decided to go all out here...so what if he doesn't need it? What if he bought a copy gave it to a decoy and is somewhere else with a much better replacement with his Death Gun Persona.
We just know that someone is firing at us with an EXACTO Sniper not that it's M and while the starship plating is a key part of his strategy he's decided to go all out here...so what if he doesn't need it? What if he bought a copy gave it to a decoy and is somewhere else with a much better replacement with his Death Gun Persona.
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Okay, so, according to the shop, the Deneb Kaitos does ice damage.
Given that...Urvashi is probably our best bet if we want to try tanking the attack.
Also, I don't think that's M up on the cliff given LLEN's internal thoughts. It might be a hired newbie.
And the 'convenient' buggy? The more I look at this, the more it smells like a setup.
[X] Plan: Flip the script
-[X] Kuro: Witness the Divine
--[X] Shock Nest: Switch to Urvashi, both to mitigate the ice beam from the Deneb Kaitos if it hits her, and to create a rapidly shrinking 'cage' of lightning both to limit Erlkonig's mobility, damage it, and potentially reveal anyone else present.
--[X] Lord's Grace: When able, use Magdalene to heal Pito's true body with Dia. After that, create a series of rotating 'banners' herself using Kouga to try and blind anyone looking directly at her, and possibly intercept Curse-type attacks.
-[X] Party: Are we alone in this area? (try to figure out if anyone else is here)
--[X] Gwen: After Pito's true body is healed, take LLEN and charge up the cliffside in the buggy toward 'M'.
--[X] LLEN: Fire at Erlkonig as Gwen drives away.
--[X] Sinon: Fire Stun Needle repeatedly, blanketing the cliff and the forest in an attempt to root out anyone hidden there.
So basically this plan is operating under the assumption that the sniper 'M' isn't actually the real M, and that the real M has hired a bunch of PKers to try and gib us using the old Soviet method of 'overwhelm with numbers'.
And, as for a speech:
[X] Speech: Foolishness, Pito, Foolishness
-[X] Kuro: "So that's it, huh? You know, you kind of remind of someone else who used the Black Star. He was just as loony as you. Here's a secret: it's never as pretty as you think it is on the other side. Living moment to moment? Sure! Fantastic! If you're in a position to enjoy it like that. I know from experience that being on the opposite end of the specturm is complete misery! So chew on that food for thought while I kick your ass!"
Given that...Urvashi is probably our best bet if we want to try tanking the attack.
Also, I don't think that's M up on the cliff given LLEN's internal thoughts. It might be a hired newbie.
And the 'convenient' buggy? The more I look at this, the more it smells like a setup.
[X] Plan: Flip the script
-[X] Kuro: Witness the Divine
--[X] Shock Nest: Switch to Urvashi, both to mitigate the ice beam from the Deneb Kaitos if it hits her, and to create a rapidly shrinking 'cage' of lightning both to limit Erlkonig's mobility, damage it, and potentially reveal anyone else present.
--[X] Lord's Grace: When able, use Magdalene to heal Pito's true body with Dia. After that, create a series of rotating 'banners' herself using Kouga to try and blind anyone looking directly at her, and possibly intercept Curse-type attacks.
-[X] Party: Are we alone in this area? (try to figure out if anyone else is here)
--[X] Gwen: After Pito's true body is healed, take LLEN and charge up the cliffside in the buggy toward 'M'.
--[X] LLEN: Fire at Erlkonig as Gwen drives away.
--[X] Sinon: Fire Stun Needle repeatedly, blanketing the cliff and the forest in an attempt to root out anyone hidden there.
So basically this plan is operating under the assumption that the sniper 'M' isn't actually the real M, and that the real M has hired a bunch of PKers to try and gib us using the old Soviet method of 'overwhelm with numbers'.
And, as for a speech:
[X] Speech: Foolishness, Pito, Foolishness
-[X] Kuro: "So that's it, huh? You know, you kind of remind of someone else who used the Black Star. He was just as loony as you. Here's a secret: it's never as pretty as you think it is on the other side. Living moment to moment? Sure! Fantastic! If you're in a position to enjoy it like that. I know from experience that being on the opposite end of the specturm is complete misery! So chew on that food for thought while I kick your ass!"
That very much does not seem like M. As both LLENN and Pito point out they're acting especially incompetent. He shouldn't need a bullet line and just generally has been fighting very poorly. I'm inclined to agree it's a decoy he hired to pretend to be him. If we want to get really paranoid here, while he did use a similar seeming sniper rifle in SJ2 - it was borrowed from Pito and a slightly different model number than what is shown in the ZASKAR Shop. Pito may still have the original in her arsenal here and either way that wasn't M's primary weapon to begin with.
As for what he's doing if that's the case... I suppose if the idea is to trick us into thinking that's M the questions would be "how/does he expect us to deal with him?" and "where would he want to be to take advantage of that?" You can kind of unify those with the convenient buggy if you assume something like "Hope the team thinks they can take the buggy to charge up the slope to his position, but have the buggy's engine sabotaged so he can kill it at it will so we're stranded on the slope" in which case... I don't know, maybe he would prefer to hide in the District and only reveal himself to snipe us after we've left with the buggy (or just skipped it and headed to the cliffside?) I'd say the Forest is an option too as a likely ambush point because it's another logical place we might choose to go to avoid the decoy's sniping.
Back to the buggy and if it's sabotaged... I do think something like having a remotely triggerable device that cuts the engine or something makes a bit more sense than trapping it to blow up... if it was right next to Pito (True). I think if it was there then making it (extra) explosive would be too risky for him if it ended up blowing up near her if the fight with Erlkoing landed it in the crossfire. Though if it was some distance away then maybe - IIRC there's some flavor text in some of the LN talking about trapping vehicles in such a manner as a reason to be wary of using them though as far as I've read (like Volume 6) I don't think anyone has actually utilized that yet.
If I were to take a guess here at M's plan, he's hiding in one of the District crates, possibly/probably using a Drone to surveil the battlefield remotely to figure when and how he should make his move - though he could use comms with hired help to do something similar and is waiting for us to either: fall for the bait of the Cliffside "M" and then come out "behind" us to catch us in a pincer - ideally when we're on the Slope, run to the Forest to gain cover from said decoy where he may have additional traps/allies set, or if we stick inside the District... you know, I'm not sure what his plan would be then, it might be the most inconvenient for him if we did that, but would allow for his decoy to keep firing on us.
Then we can go a level deeper and wonder if the Cliffside "M" being so incompetent is because he wants us to see through that ruse and think along the lines I just described and there's some extra layer to this but I'm not sure I see the advantage to that - him actually faking the incompetence before "getting serious" seems way too risky, because even if we conclude it's not M it's still not the worst idea for us to try and get rid of a sniper.
But we should not be letting LLENN listen to her right now, IMO.
In a way, I think having Pito (True) in/on the buggy is a fairly good defense against the possibility of it being trapped explosively. I do think we should have someone try to heal her - her dying is a fail condition, we're told Erlkoing can drain, and I still want to test my theory that healing Pito (True) and taking her further away from "death" might weaken Erlkonig. If you think about it, us attacking Erlkonig!Pito and taking it/her closer to the brink of death is kinda what she wants. I think it's plausible that full healing Pito (True) could be an out-of-the-box victory condition - and the health drain Erlkonig has is its way of denying that.
I wonder if the Warehouse might be the ideal battle location provided it is covered from obvious sniper fire. M surely would have considered that kind of contingency but what he could actually have prepared there (like explosives) may be limited given Pito (True) started there? Of course that would mean Pito (True) would be in close range to Erlkonig.
As for what he's doing if that's the case... I suppose if the idea is to trick us into thinking that's M the questions would be "how/does he expect us to deal with him?" and "where would he want to be to take advantage of that?" You can kind of unify those with the convenient buggy if you assume something like "Hope the team thinks they can take the buggy to charge up the slope to his position, but have the buggy's engine sabotaged so he can kill it at it will so we're stranded on the slope" in which case... I don't know, maybe he would prefer to hide in the District and only reveal himself to snipe us after we've left with the buggy (or just skipped it and headed to the cliffside?) I'd say the Forest is an option too as a likely ambush point because it's another logical place we might choose to go to avoid the decoy's sniping.
Back to the buggy and if it's sabotaged... I do think something like having a remotely triggerable device that cuts the engine or something makes a bit more sense than trapping it to blow up... if it was right next to Pito (True). I think if it was there then making it (extra) explosive would be too risky for him if it ended up blowing up near her if the fight with Erlkoing landed it in the crossfire. Though if it was some distance away then maybe - IIRC there's some flavor text in some of the LN talking about trapping vehicles in such a manner as a reason to be wary of using them though as far as I've read (like Volume 6) I don't think anyone has actually utilized that yet.
If I were to take a guess here at M's plan, he's hiding in one of the District crates, possibly/probably using a Drone to surveil the battlefield remotely to figure when and how he should make his move - though he could use comms with hired help to do something similar and is waiting for us to either: fall for the bait of the Cliffside "M" and then come out "behind" us to catch us in a pincer - ideally when we're on the Slope, run to the Forest to gain cover from said decoy where he may have additional traps/allies set, or if we stick inside the District... you know, I'm not sure what his plan would be then, it might be the most inconvenient for him if we did that, but would allow for his decoy to keep firing on us.
Then we can go a level deeper and wonder if the Cliffside "M" being so incompetent is because he wants us to see through that ruse and think along the lines I just described and there's some extra layer to this but I'm not sure I see the advantage to that - him actually faking the incompetence before "getting serious" seems way too risky, because even if we conclude it's not M it's still not the worst idea for us to try and get rid of a sniper.
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But we should not be letting LLENN listen to her right now, IMO.
In a way, I think having Pito (True) in/on the buggy is a fairly good defense against the possibility of it being trapped explosively. I do think we should have someone try to heal her - her dying is a fail condition, we're told Erlkoing can drain, and I still want to test my theory that healing Pito (True) and taking her further away from "death" might weaken Erlkonig. If you think about it, us attacking Erlkonig!Pito and taking it/her closer to the brink of death is kinda what she wants. I think it's plausible that full healing Pito (True) could be an out-of-the-box victory condition - and the health drain Erlkonig has is its way of denying that.
I wonder if the Warehouse might be the ideal battle location provided it is covered from obvious sniper fire. M surely would have considered that kind of contingency but what he could actually have prepared there (like explosives) may be limited given Pito (True) started there? Of course that would mean Pito (True) would be in close range to Erlkonig.
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Dragons Are Romance
Honestly, for a moment there I was expecting the P3 method of awakening a Persona, lmao.