The Radiant Shepherd - A Warhammer 40K God-Emperor Quest

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Arcanestomper said:
You already did. You sent him a vision about it already.
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Oh. The wording suggested it had to be found, not that the exact location was known. Thanks for clarifying.
MSH said:
The Emperor's words there are harsh, but I think they are both true to him in a way that makes sense and they aren't a total rejection. He commends Celestine and those with simple, productive faith and tells Slyst outright that he'll bless him if he does better and follows that path. The main thing I'm trying to impress here is perspective, which if anything I think would prevent the Repent spiral.

It's saying to him outright - The Emperor doesn't care if you repent. The Imperial Cult isn't even the Emperor's business. He can change that, but if he's unwilling to bring the same fervor to charity and defense of humanity that he does to spamming us with prayer and begging, the whole institution is hopeless anyway. This is honestly about as much effort as I think should be spent on the Imperial Cult until it shows signs of improvement.
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I understand and would normally support such, but this isn't about our doctrines, it's about conveyance to an irrational actor we can't trust to enact our will accurately—or even act in our benefit because of his interpretation of whatever we impart.
 
Putting forward my plan


[x] Scatter Shot
[X] Guide the Tarot: Orpheus Sector and especially the Caracol System: Send visions of a deathless host rising from its grave and with their grim scythes glowing of green death, snuffing out the great torch in the sky before reaching for the rest of the heavens. (1 point)
[X] Guide the Tarot: High Marshal Helbrecht: Send visions of wolves made of shadows fallen at the claws of innumerable chitin and flesh that knew no honor. The faithful knight bound in the cross must confront it with his zealous brethren, where one knight falls, two more must rise if the tide of flesh is to be overcome. (1 point)
[X] Guide the Tarot: Logan Grimnar: an old wolf bares its fangs, yet one fang is golden and far longer than another other, before a deathless storm that destroys all life. (1 point)
[X] Guide the Tarot: Arcadian Leontus: a warlord riding a horse of metal and flesh rallies his army to fight a marionette of cannon, claw and tusk, tugged by two ephemeral green giants, on the planet named for the end of days. (1 point)
[X] Commune with the Ecclesiarch (4 points)
-[x] The methods of the Ecclesiarchy are wasteful. Worthless priests luxuriate on thrones and offering false prayers while the faithful masses starve and languish. The work of Sebastian Thor must be continued, reform the faith. The priesthood, including you, must cease to be a hindrance and false shepherds, and instead become the mentors and exemplars towards righteousness, devoted service and selflessness.
[X] Bless the Ecclesiarch. (1 point)
[X] Bless Logan Grimnar. (1 point)
 
ChiefTurtle117 said:
Putting forward my plan


[x] Scatter Shot
[X] Guide the Tarot: Orpheus Sector and especially the Caracol System: Send visions of a deathless host rising from its grave and with their grim scythes glowing of green death, snuffing out the great torch in the sky before reaching for the rest of the heavens. (1 point)
[X] Guide the Tarot: High Marshal Helbrecht: Send visions of wolves made of shadows fallen at the claws of innumerable chitin and flesh that knew no honor. The faithful knight bound in the cross must confront it with his zealous brethren, where one knight falls, two more must rise if the tide of flesh is to be overcome. (1 point)
[X] Guide the Tarot: Logan Grimnar: an old wolf bares its fangs, yet one fang is golden and far longer than another other, before a deathless storm that destroys all life. (1 point)
[X] Guide the Tarot: Arcadian Leontus: a warlord riding a horse of metal and flesh rallies his army to fight a marionette of cannon, claw and tusk, tugged by two ephemeral green giants, on the planet named for the end of days. (1 point)
[X] Commune with the Ecclesiarch (4 points)
-[x] The methods of the Ecclesiarchy are wasteful. Worthless priests luxuriate on thrones and offering false prayers while the faithful masses starve and languish. The work of Sebastian Thor must be continued, reform the faith. The priesthood, including you, must cease to be a hindrance and false shepherds, and instead become the mentors and exemplars towards righteousness, devoted service and selflessness.
[X] Bless the Ecclesiarch. (1 point)
[X] Bless Logan Grimnar. (1 point)
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Is your aim to point the Black Templars at the Kraken? The Ultramarines and their successors might be better suited a warning. Though such reinforcements may help more than a warning…either way, Kraken is the major Tyranid threat.

What blessings are the last two? Understanding of what we are trying to convey as opposed to what his irrational mind makes up? Endurance to simp for the Star Child so he can endure our presence without convalescence?

And Logan??

I don't think the Dionysian Spear is gonna be effective against Necrons. They're not flesh and blood beings, or entities of the Warp, to have the Truth imposed on them. It's been most effective against Chaos-corrupted foes. If you put that tarot towards Throne magi to improve their ability to understand, or follow a path of understanding uncorrupted, I can get behind this.
 
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[] Plan wip
-[] Commune (4 points) The Ecclesiarch
-[] Blessing (2 points) High Marshal Hellbrecht
Grant Skill in Combat and Wisdom in Command
-[] Blessing (2 points) Chapter Master Dante
Unwavering strength, both in arm and mind.
-[] Blessing (2 points) Commissar Yarrick (or the assassins we sent earlier)

Would the other planmakers be ok if i took their Ecclesiarchy Communion write in?
 
MSH said:
Celestine and all other Living Saints are immortal, tied to our existence. We can probably get her back in the Materium sooner and stronger, but it's not a priority.
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Yes but I like to put forward somthing:

They are indeed immortal, same as deamons BUT Deamons can be killed and, even more important in this case, subverted by other powers or infected/weakened.

The Unnamed Deamon put a wound in Celestine that could (or might) grow into a fatal weakness or something similar.

Couldn't we spare a point to bless her instead of Crawl?

Otherwise I in general agree with your plan other then as @EVA-Saiyajin said it is a bit hard on the Eclisiarch.
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
Is your aim to point the Black Templars at the Kraken? The Ultramarines and their successors might be better suited a warning. Though such reinforcements may help more than a warning…either way, Kraken is the major Tyranid threat.

What blessings are the last two? Understanding of what we are trying to convey as opposed to what his irrational mind makes up? Endurance to simp for the Star Child so he can endure our presence without convalescence?

And Logan??

I don't think the Dionysian Spear is gonna be effective against Necrons. They're not flesh and blood beings, or entities of the Warp, to have the Truth imposed on them. It's been most effective against Chaos-corrupted foes. If you put that tarot towards Throne magi to improve their ability to understand, or follow a path of understanding uncorrupted, I can get behind this.
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My idea with the Templars is that they'll consolidate and make fighting Kraken a priority rather than being spread across the galaxy, given that the Templars are already involved with fighting Kraken from the fall of the Shadow Wolves. Way I see it, the Ultramarines are going to get involved anyways, whereas making it a Templar priority adds more Imperial Forces to fight Kraken. Hopefully stepping up recruitment along the way

I left the Ecclesiarch blessing empty to not tie my hands about it. Ideally, the Ecclesiarch would be blessed both physically to be able to endure the strain of Communion and reshaped mentally to be more effective. I could write that in though.

The point of the Spear of Russ isn't that it's going to be an anti-Necron weapons but to have the Space Wolves actually use it rather than have it collecting dust in some shrine and avaliable for pilfering. Plus, as a Divine Weapon, the Spear of Russ is super juiced up with warp energy that gives combat boosts regardless of its target, said warp energy and boost could be useful for Logan to defeat Imotekh and possibly corrupt his resurrection protocols. At least delaying Imotekh from returning by some time.

Imotekh both being defeated and delayed from returning instantly would throw his dynasty into dissaray like it was before he seized the throne.

I'm open to transferring the Logan blessing to the Throne magi.
 
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EVA-Saiyajin said:
Wait, who exactly is being equipped? The whole Guard? The ones guarding the Solar Segmentum? …the ones guarding Sol alone?
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ChiefTurtle117 said:
My idea with the Templars is that they'll consolidate and make fighting Kraken a priority rather than being spread across the galaxy, given that the Templars are already involved with fighting Kraken from the fall of the Shadow Wolves. Way I see it, the Ultramarines are going to get involved anyways, whereas making it a Templar priority adds more Imperial Forces to fight Kraken. Hopefully stepping up recruitment along the way

I left the Ecclesiarch blessing empty to not tie my hands about it. Ideally, the Ecclesiarch would be blessed both physically to be able to endure the strain of Communion and reshaped mentally to be more effective. I could write that in though.


I'm open to transferring the Logan blessing to the Throne magi.
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Do we know for sure the Shadow Wolves were fighting Tyranids associated with the Kraken? We need to make sure they're pointed at the right target.

Considering our aspects are warning about this, I think a specific blessing might be necessary.

Cool.
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
Do we know for sure the Shadow Wolves were fighting Tyranids associated with the Kraken? We need to make sure they're pointed at the right target.

Considering our aspects are warning about this, I think a specific blessing might be necessary.

Cool.
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Actually, i don't know where the Kraken bit came from now that i've looked that wiki and Lex again.

I'm still inclined towards having the Black Templars consolidate and smash the Tyranid Splinter Fleet that destroyed the Shadow Wolves though, to prevent it from gaining in strength.

I modified my plan

[x] Scatter Shot v2
[X] Guide the Tarot: Orpheus Sector and especially the Caracol System: Send visions of a deathless host rising from its grave and with their grim scythes glowing of green death, snuffing out the great torch in the sky before reaching for the rest of the heavens. (1 point)
[X] Guide the Tarot: High Marshal Helbrecht: Send visions of wolves made of shadows fallen at the claws of innumerable chitin and flesh that knew no honor. The flood is strong but not as great as it could be and the faithful knight bound in the cross must confront it with his zealous brethren before it can grow in strength. Where one knight falls, two more must rise if not only the tide of flesh is to be overcome but future trials. (1 point)
[X] Guide the Tarot: Logan Grimnar: an old wolf, his fangs the long gold ones of his sire, bares his teeth before a deathless storm that destroys all life. (1 point)
[X] Guide the Tarot: Arcadian Leontus: a warlord riding a horse of metal and flesh rallies his army to fight a marionette of cannon, claw and tusk, tugged by two ephemeral green giants, on the planet named for the end of days. (1 point)
[X] Commune with the Ecclesiarch (4 points)
-[x] The methods of the Ecclesiarchy are wasteful. Worthless priests luxuriate on thrones and offering false prayers while the faithful masses starve and languish. The work of Sebastian Thor must be continued, reform the faith. The priesthood, including you, must cease to be a hindrance and false shepherds, and instead become the mentors and exemplars towards righteousness, devoted service and selflessness.
[X] Bless the Ecclesiarch. (1 point)
[x] Bless the Throne Wrights. (1 point)
 
ChiefTurtle117 said:
Actually, i don't know where the Kraken bit came from now that i've looked that wiki and Lex again.

I'm still inclined towards having the Black Templars consolidate and smash the Tyranid Splinter Fleet that destroyed the Shadow Wolves though, to prevent it from gaining in strength.

I modified my plan

[x] Scatter Shot v2
[X] Guide the Tarot: Orpheus Sector and especially the Caracol System: Send visions of a deathless host rising from its grave and with their grim scythes glowing of green death, snuffing out the great torch in the sky before reaching for the rest of the heavens. (1 point)
[X] Guide the Tarot: High Marshal Helbrecht: Send visions of wolves made of shadows fallen at the claws of innumerable chitin and flesh that knew no honor. The flood is strong but not as great as it could be and the faithful knight bound in the cross must confront it with his zealous brethren before it can grow in strength. Where one knight falls, two more must rise if not only the tide of flesh is to be overcome but future trials. (1 point)
[X] Guide the Tarot: Logan Grimnar: an old wolf, his fangs the long gold ones of his sire, bares his teeth before a deathless storm that destroys all life. (1 point)
[X] Guide the Tarot: Arcadian Leontus: a warlord riding a horse of metal and flesh rallies his army to fight a marionette of cannon, claw and tusk, tugged by two ephemeral green giants, on the planet named for the end of days. (1 point)
[X] Commune with the Ecclesiarch (4 points)
-[x] The methods of the Ecclesiarchy are wasteful. Worthless priests luxuriate on thrones and offering false prayers while the faithful masses starve and languish. The work of Sebastian Thor must be continued, reform the faith. The priesthood, including you, must cease to be a hindrance and false shepherds, and instead become the mentors and exemplars towards righteousness, devoted service and selflessness.
[X] Bless the Ecclesiarch. (1 point)
[x] Bless the Throne Wrights. (1 point)
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Clarify what the blessings are and double check the message for Logan will be what is desired with the GM (take up Spear of Russ, kill Imotekh) and you have my vote.
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
Clarify what the blessings are and double check the message for Logan will be what is desired with the GM (take up Spear of Russ, kill Imotekh) and you have my vote.
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Reading Imotekh's page again, i'm starting to think that we might want to have the Wolves and Templars collaborate on putting on Imotekh.

[] Bless the Ecclesiarch with the strength to meet the challenge of the throne and remould his mind to understand our will with clarity. (1 point)
[] Bless the Throne Wrights to secure them from malign interference and enhance their wisdom and insight (1 point)
[] Guide the Tarot: Logan Grimnar: an old wolf must wield the golden spear of his father while he and his pack hunt the storm that that bears a crown. The crowned head must be slain and his glory tarnished.
[] Guide the Tarot: High Marshal Helbrecht: The faithful knight must sound the clarion to his bretheren and a tide of faith and steel that sail the stars must consolidate to smother the storm. (1 point)

I wonder if i should consolidate the 2 tarot options?

Arcanestomper could i do that or would that be out of the perview of a single tarot action?
 
ChiefTurtle117 said:
Reading Imotekh's page again, i'm starting to think that we might want to have the Wolves and Templars collaborate on putting on Imotekh.

[] Bless the Ecclesiarch with the strength to meet the challenge of the throne and remould his mind to understand our will with clarity. (1 point)
[] Bless the Throne Wrights to secure them from malign interference and enhance their wisdom and insight (1 point)
[] Guide the Tarot: Logan Grimnar: an old wolf must wield the golden spear of his father while he and his pack hunt the storm that that bears a crown. The crowned head must be slain and his glory tarnished.
[] Guide the Tarot: High Marshal Helbrecht: The faithful knight must sound the clarion to his bretheren and a tide of faith and steel that sail the stars must consolidate to smother the storm. (1 point)

I wonder if i should consolidate the 2 tarot options?
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Seeing as they should both be on a Necron/hunting mindset, perhaps a single point tarot at both of them?

And this is partially personal, but maybe not word the Ecclesiarch blessing as "remold his mind", but rather something like "the gift of understand that we might successfully convey our desires, or his interpretation"

And there is still the issue of Kraken.
 
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BigBadBob7070 said:
There's also the issue of Armageddon.


Do you sonsabitches not remember the last time we ignored the voices in our head when it comes to some rather imminent threats? Are we really going to leave this half-baked?
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What do you think the tarot to the Lord Solar is for?? Right after this initiative to improve the Guard starting in Solar, if not focused there entirely?
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
Seeing as they should both be on a Necron/hunting mindset, perhaps a single point tarot at both of them?

And this is partially personal, but maybe not word the Ecclesiarch blessing as "remold his mind", but rather something like "the gift of understand that we might successfully convey our desires, or his interpretation"

And there is still the issue of Kraken.
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"Bless the Ecclesiarch with the strength to meet the challenge of the throne and gift him with the clarity to understand our will undistorted and unclouded by his biases."

If the GM says that I can hit up Logan and Helbrecht with a single tarot, I might put in a blessing for Kryptman to help his cordon and fortification scheme.
BigBadBob7070 said:
There's also the issue of Armageddon.


Do you sonsabitches not remember the last time we ignored the voices in our head when it comes to some rather imminent threats? Are we really going to leave this half-baked?
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My plan has the Lord Solar and his refurbished Guard being sent though.
 
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If more help for Kryptman is what you want, it would be better to legitimize him with the Inquisitional Conclave or at least the Ordo Xenos. He's technically renegade for his actions, just surrounded by his allies.

Getting the Kryptman Doctrine legitimized throughout the Imperium could actually force the Nids into a doomcrawl or else get them to reorient.
 
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MSH said:
If more help for Kryptman is what you want, it would be better to legitimize him with the Inquisitional Conclave or at least the Ordo Xenos. He's technically renegade for his actions, just surrounded by his allies.

Getting the Kryptman Doctrine legitimized throughout the Imperium could actually force the Nids into a doomcrawl or else get them to reorient.
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A thought worthy of consideration.
 
MSH said:
If more help for Kryptman is what you want, it would be better to legitimize him with the Inquisitional Conclave or at least the Ordo Xenos. He's technically renegade for his actions, just surrounded by his allies.

Getting the Kryptman Doctrine legitimized throughout the Imperium could actually force the Nids into a doomcrawl or else get them to reorient.
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Actually, what's Kryptman being hunted by the Inquisition for?
Arcanestomper
He wouldn't have implemented the genocidal cordon for a couple more years and we just butterflied it away.

"During the invasion of Hive Fleet Leviathan in 997.M41, Kryptman led Deathwatch Kill-teams to the Tarsis Sector to aid the Mortifactors Chapter and the Ultramarines of Tarsis Ultra against the ravenous Great Devourer.

By capturing a Lictor, Magos Biologis Locard, Kryptman's Adeptus Mechanicus Biologis, created a biological weapon to use against the Tyranids and his Deathwatch Astartes used it to destroy the Norn-Queen of the hive fleet assaulting Tarsis Ultra.

Kryptman later authorised the largest single act of genocide the Imperium has ever inflicted on itself by abandoning or destroying all of the worlds in Hive Fleet Leviathan's path. He was later issued a Carta Extremis for this action by the Inquisition and was stripped of his title."
 
BigBadBob7070 said:
—[X] Curse (1 Point): The Inquistor(s) who seek to have the Celestial Lions assassinated for daring to speak out against their abuse of power. May their treachery be exposed.
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Is it possible we can severely warn the Inquisitor not to kill off Human populations so carelessly or kill off allies that are a major help to them and the Imperium? Honestly, I always found these types of intentional conflicts between Inquisitors and Space Marines Chapters stupid because the both of them literally worked together to cleanse a planet of Daemon taint, only for the Inquisitor to turn around and Exterminatus a planet without giving a reason why? And no I can not just accept that power corrupts as a reason why for the act.
 
ChiefTurtle117 said:
Actually, what's Kryptman being hunted by the Inquisition for?
Arcanestomper
He wouldn't have implemented the genocidal cordon for a couple more years and we just butterflied it away.

"During the invasion of Hive Fleet Leviathan in 997.M41, Kryptman led Deathwatch Kill-teams to the Tarsis Sector to aid the Mortifactors Chapter and the Ultramarines of Tarsis Ultra against the ravenous Great Devourer.

By capturing a Lictor, Magos Biologis Locard, Kryptman's Adeptus Mechanicus Biologis, created a biological weapon to use against the Tyranids and his Deathwatch Astartes used it to destroy the Norn-Queen of the hive fleet assaulting Tarsis Ultra.

Kryptman later authorised the largest single act of genocide the Imperium has ever inflicted on itself by abandoning or destroying all of the worlds in Hive Fleet Leviathan's path. He was later issued a Carta Extremis for this action by the Inquisition and was stripped of his title."
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The collateral damage of those that were killed to exterminate that major Genestealer cult huffing their product through the guise of medical aid. It's an in-quest thing.
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
The collateral damage of those that were killed to exterminate that major Genestealer cult huffing their product through the guise of medical aid. It's an in-quest thing.
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Kryptman was already being hunted by the Inquisition before that. It's a timeline error. He hasn't ordered the cordon that got him expelled from the Inquisition canonically

Arcanestomper said:
Kryptman is now pursued by not just the Inquisition, but forces of the Magi Biologi who are furious over the loss of their testing grounds.

"Kryptman is a fool beyond measure, but loyal to this atrocity that is our Imperium. A blessing is in order, carve out the stupidity that ordered the cordon sanitaire from his mind and mold him into something worthy. His work is not yet complete."
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ChiefTurtle117 said:
Arcanestomper could i do that or would that be out of the perview of a single tarot action?
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Telling two different people two different things is out of the purview of a single tarot.

ChiefTurtle117 said:
Actually, what's Kryptman being hunted by the Inquisition for?
Arcanestomper
He wouldn't have implemented the genocidal cordon for a couple more years and we just butterflied it away.
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Slipped my mind when I was writing that bit. I realized later, but decided not to change it. Right now he's being hunted because some senior arch magi biologis poked their inquisition buddies into doing them a favor and going after the guy who purged their test worlds. Prior to that maybe some puritans thought he was too radical or maybe some radicals were influenced by a daemon to mess with him.
 
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Arcanestomper said:
Telling two different people two different things is out of the purview of a single tarot.



Slipped my mind when I was writing that bit. I realized later, but decided not to change it. Right now he's being hunted because some senior arch magi biologis poked their inquisition buddies into doing them a favor and going after the guy who purged their test worlds. Prior to that maybe some puritans thought he was too radical or maybe some radicals were influenced by a daemon to mess with him.
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Would this be acceptable then for a tarot action?

[] Guide the Tarot: Logan Grimnar and High Marshal Helbrecht: an old wolf wielding the spear of his father and a faithful knight unites to banish the storm that that bears a crown. The crowned head must be slain and his glory tarnished.

So, Kryptman's still excommunicated right?

[] Guide the Tarot: Inquisitors of Segmentum Ultima: The harried exile must be restored to the fold of the all seeing eye and his wisdom heeded in combating the encroaching flood.
 
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