NYC in WHFB

[x] plan best start hopefully
-[x]: Our Twin Pearls
-[x]: The Vanguard +2 points
-[x]: The People's Defense Navy -2
-[x]: The Power of the Gods -2
-[x]: Magic! -1
-[x]: Cultural Flourishing -1
-[x]: Rodents of Unusual Size? I don't believe they exist +2
-[x]: It isn't easy being Green +2
 
It's a short term solution when all the big problems are long-term.
It's also not a short term solution because we don't have any way to use it yet. It's a one time use medium term destroy one army. Probably worth a point, if I had made a plan, but not 3. Also the biggest issue with getting nuclear bombs is the processing facilities for the uranium. Presumedly we know how to make those and there's uranium on the planet so we should be able to eventually make a bomb if we really want to in the long term.

In the meantime, we can strap normal bombs to rockets in the same time we'd be able to make a rocket for the nuke, which is almost as good.
 
[X] Plan: I see no hero's, only pawns of fate. PROVE ME WRONG!
-[X]: Our Twin Pearls
-[X]: The United Front +1 point
-[X]: The People's Defense Navy -2
-[X]: Dwarven Trade -2
-[X]: Black Gold -1
-[X]: It isn't easy being Green +2
-[X]: Rodents of Unusual Size? I don't believe they exist +2

I get that magic and gods are cool & all, but I feeling like everyone's missing something very important. We can get gods and magic later via osmosis from trade, so we should be focus on what we don't have early on that'd me extremely helpful for keeping our independence and ensuring our growth. That is, we should get the navy to make sure we can defend ourselves for Norscans & druki, and we should get oil to ensure our growth for the future. These will give us the foundations for us to survive in the early game without having to get vassalized by bigger factions and give us the chance to secure our own destiny.
 
Closing voting here!
Scheduled vote count started by Ultrackius on Jun 11, 2024 at 5:48 PM, finished with 27 posts and 18 votes.

  • [x] plan best start hopefully
    -[x]: Our Twin Pearls
    -[x]: The Vanguard +2 points
    -[x]: The People's Defense Navy -2
    -[x]: The Power of the Gods -2
    -[X]: Magic! -1
    -[x]: Cultural Flourishing -1
    -[X]: Rodents of Unusual Size? I don't believe they exist +2
    -[X]: It isn't easy being Green +2
    [X] Plan: Making friends and foes
    -[X]: Our Beloved City +1 points
    -[X]: The United Front +1 point
    -[X]: Elf Friends -2
    -[X]: Dwarven Trade -2
    -[X]: Magic! -1
    -[X]: Black Gold -1
    -[X]: Rodents of Unusual Size? I don't believe they exist +2
    -[X]: It isn't easy being Green +2
    [X] Plan: I see no hero's, only pawns of fate. PROVE ME WRONG!
    -[x]: Our Twin Pearls
    -[X]: The United Front +1 point
    -[x]: The People's Defense Navy -2
    -[X]: Dwarven Trade -2
    -[X]: Black Gold -1
    -[X]: It isn't easy being Green +2
    -[X]: Rodents of Unusual Size? I don't believe they exist +2
    [X] Plan United We Stand
 
The New Vanguard
In the end, only one revolutionary force could rise supreme, only one could take hold of the region to destroy the reactionary threat. In the days of resistance there were many factions, during the revolution there were more. In the end, which faction rose on top?

As Vanguard was chosen, choose one of a more limited selection of movements

[]: The Communist Party of the United States of America
A famous, if permanently declining force in American revolutionary politics, it was based in NYC and indeed was holding a conference at the time of the transition. The old guard of the party, seeing the sudden change, sought to maintain control of the movement, but were eventually ousted when, after an influx from young radicals when alternate organizations collapsed, the center of the party united with them to seize control and remove much of the Old Guard allies. Though dissatisfaction by its left leaning factions would lead to a minor split, the center was able to hold it together and prevent any major damage. The party would go on to become the leading revolutionary movement, after most of its competition was crushed by the police, it survived. When the revolution came the CPUSA was at the forefront of the lines, and the head of the movement. After dealing with its minor revolutionary opponents it quickly ascended to power
  • The CPUSA are on the CENTER-RIGHT of the revolutionary coalition
  • Factions include the leading Party Center (Primarily Right, with a strong alliance with the center) as well as the as of yet unfactioned young radicals (Center and Left, as of yet ununified around a movement, ideology, or cause). It also has a disgraced old guard faction, who functionally hold still to liberalism
  • The CPUSA is distinguished by its continued devotion to the old world we came from, to the point of even holding a new constitutional convention to claim legitimacy with Old America, and generally holding the new state to be a revolutionary successor to the United States, rather then one opposed to it as most other movements hold
  • Major issues for the CPUSA are on the legacy of America and the Old World in general that much of their leadership seeks to safeguard, and the application of orthodox Leninist and Marxist doctrine in this new world
  • The fates of the other factions if the CPUSA is the vanguard will be
    • CPNYB: The split mostly fails with the center aligning with the party left, and their membership never reaches more than a few hundred or so, oft derided as modern Trotskists for their constant splitting
    • DSA: Party is dominated by the DSA right, who ally with the liberals before splitting after the liberal movement seeks to unite with the police against the reds. Considered by some to be a potential opposition movement to the new government
    • Maoist Rebels: Are crushed by government force in the years leading up to the revolution, mostly irrelevant except as former heroes and martyrs against the police.
    • Soldier's Soviets: Their revolt is in most areas short and bloody, being crushed utterly by the police but becoming the greatest of the revolutionary martyrs. In some areas however, the revolts were better timed, and their rising coincided with the general revolts. The Soldiers Soviets are now a key organ in the government, pushing for a more radical line and for the spreading of the revolution to the rest of this new land
    • Student Radicals: Though they mostly stayed separate from the party during the revolution itself (and were then crushed by the police), a not insignificant segment joined with the radicals within the party, and began to push for a more radical line.
    • Union Revolutionaries: The Union leadership was always hesitant about the revolution, but in the end they saw which way the wind was blowing as more and more of their members joined the party. Their former leadership are now influential forces on the right of the party center, and a few in the detested old guard.

[]: The Communist Party of New York and Boston
A split from the CPUSA in the early days after the transition after the center of the party refused any alliance with the new radicals, instead seeking to ally with the old guard to mantian control. This quickly lead to a split pushed by the left, but latched on to by much of the center who refused this poisoned bargain and would not give up on revolution. As the CPUSA faded the CPNYB consistently grew in strength and power, becoming the primary force of the revolutionary movement, and quickly taking power after the revolution was victorious.
  • The CPNYB is in the CENTER-LEFT of the revolutionary coalition
  • Factions include the Anti American Alliance (center, tense alliance with the left, leading) the Movement for a New People (left, divisive, opposed to the AAA and the parts of the left who allied with them. Seek the total abolition of anything even American, regularly denounce the party for keeping the american city names), and the CPUSA remnants (right, minor faction, trying to maintain the marxist and leninist stance)
  • The CPNYB is distinguished by its hardline opposition to the old world, seeking a total repudiation of America and anything American or old world in general in favor of creating a new identity based in this strange new land.
  • Major issues for the CPNYB include the creation of a new culture untied to the world we came from, and the creation of a new communist theory suited to the world we find ourselves in.
  • The fates of the other factions if the CPNYB is the vanguard will be
    • CPUSA: Survives as a minor movement after the membership moved to the CPNYB, oft derided as the Mensheviks of the modern revolution for their moderation
    • DSA: Largely dominated by the DSA right, who allies with the liberals and dooms the movement to irrelevance. Further prosecuted by revolutionary movements shocked at their betrayal, and by the left of the party for their american label
    • Maoist Rebels: Are crushed by the police government soon before the revolution, fragments survive shattered and are tentatively allied with the new government, though they distrust some of its elements, making the alliance a terse one.
    • Soldier's Soviets: Crushed by the government in a short and bloody uprising. Despite popular sympathy, the government is officially opposed to their memory, considering their uprising a retrograde and not truly revolutionary one
    • Student Radicals: Failed to make their own organization and became a core part of the CPNYB support base, highly influential in the new government but considered a potential concern by the leadership
    • Union Revolutionaries: Remained fairly moderate, with the more radical ones joining the party, and the moderate ones being crushed by both sides during the revolution

[]: The Democratic Socialists of America
A broad tent organization, when the transition came the DSA was left adrift. Much of the national movement's leadership and ideologies had organized in Boston for a conference, and the NYC DSA was one of the movement's largest, yet the two could not create a unified line. The NYC DSA was firmly held by the DSA-Right, who sought cooperation with the democrats and liberals in maintaining stability, while the national leadership in Boston found itself aligned with the student radicals and communists advocating revolution. In the end the Boston faction would prevail over the New York faction due to outside events, as the NYC-DSA was devastated by the handover of power from the liberals to the police, both in terms of its aggressively persecuted membership, and ideologically collapsing as the transition was supported by the very liberals they had allied with. In the end the Boston faction would grow in strength in the underground, absorbing the student radicals and the union and eventually becoming the leading force in the revolution
  • The DSA is on the RIGHT of the revolutionary coalition
  • Factions include the Boston Faction (Right, firmly in control of the movement), the DSA-Left (Center, dominated by more harcore Marxist groups and similar so-called "left deviationist" forces. Major force internally but determined to be kept from power by the rest), and the DSA-Right (liberalists who opposed much of the revolution, in disgrace but with a few of their cliques surviving)
  • The DSA is distinguished by its internal conflict, as party members fight over whether to be the SPD as it was before WW1, as it was before WW2, or as it was in the Cold War. Outside the party it is distinguished by its pushes for the democratization of all lines of society, as well as its Boston base, in sharp contrast to most organizations which based themselves in NYC.
  • The fates of the other factions if the DSA becomes the vanguard is
    • CPUSA: The party center allies with the old guard, causing the split with the left to grow and leaving it as a moribund organization with little support and a line slightly to the right of the Boston Faction
    • CPNYB: Initially making a large splash in the movement with it's split from the CPUSA, it failed to gain steam or membership, with the student radicals joining to the left of the DSA instead, or moderating and joining the Boston Faction. It survives rudderless and without direction, mostly serving as a reading group for those student radicals who were left behind by the movement
    • Maoist Rebels: Largely decimated by the government, they continued to be a relevant, if weak, force even throughout the revolution. However afterwards they refused to accept the primacy of the DSA, declaring it to be a capitalist and revisionist movement. They survive even today, continuing a much reduced PPW against the government from the forests and hills.
    • Soldier's Soviets: Moderately successful in areas, they survived the police attacks, and after the revolution largely moved into two camps. Those who believed their purpose was done and disbanded, and those who believed they still had a place in the new order, and became a loyal if controversial aid to, and thorne in the side of, the DSA government.
    • Student Radicals: The DSA was long considered the home for these types, and for the majority, it still was. The student radicals largely joined up into the DSA-Left, with the moderate elements of them maintaining more prominence then they might have otherwise, and becoming a staunch supporter of the Boston Faction
    • The Unions: Largely decimated by the government who refused any negotiation with them, the remaining union movement was largely folded into and allied with the DSA, and remains a staunch ally of the party right

[]: Maoist Rebels
Not all the resistance came from the cities, in the countryside that was brought along the police soon found themselves bereft of power. Back when control was handed over to the police forces "until the situation stabilized" there was a brief uprising by socialist movements. It was swiftly and brutally crushed but the most radical portions of it, who had predicted such an event, survived and fled the twin capitals into the countryside of what was once New England, as well as the new land surrounding the transported region. From there these forces, lead by and eventually more then dominated by a Maoist coalition, waged a Protracted People's War against the government. Holding one region, then fleeing to another they never were able to achieve the great victory forever just one year ahead, but they were able to present a constant thorn in the side of the police government, never being able to be crushed and always there to threaten convoys and government operations. When the war started going bad they found their moment. As the police forces struggled to crush revolts in the cities, they took the countryside and created a massive force able to enter into the twin capitals and crush the reactionary forces once and for all! A glorious victory, only somewhat marred by (in truth, false) accusations that they intentionally waited until all other revolutionary factions had expended their forces.
  • The Maoists are on the LEFT of the Revolutionary Coalition
  • Factions include, the Party Center (LEFT), the Revolutionary Military Forces (LEFT, in tight alliance with the Party Center), the Red Guards (FAR LEFT, viewed with worrying suspicion by the rest, popular in Boston), and the New Revolutionaries (CENTER-RIGHT, seeking a cooling of rhetoric, largely made up of former members of other groups)
  • The Maoists are distinguished by their holding to, well, Maoism. This has lead to a significant focus and indeed power base in the countryside, while most all other movements are relegated to the cities. It also shows in their policies, as they tend to hold to a much more radical line. There is one major exception to this rule however, as they hold that the other nations of this world are feudal, and thus must be aided in a transition to capitalism, rather than true revolution.
  • The fates of the other factions if the Maoists are the vanguard will be
    • CPUSA: A major force in the doomed New York uprising before the Maoists crushed the weakened police, it is the stance of the party that their failure was due to their theoretical errors, but their memory has a strong hold among the population.
    • CPNYB: Having failed to attract the CPUSA left, the CPNYB sustained itself as an irrelevant force for some time, but in the end most members returned to the CPUSA to aid in the doomed revolt, with their surviving membership largely folding into the New Revolutionaries
    • DSA: Having launched a major uprising in Boston, the DSA forces were put down before the Maoists could enter the city. In the new government they are largely dismissed as liberals and moderates, with the left of the movement largely joining into the New Revolutionaries
    • Student Radicals: Though the city revolts they mainly fought in were defeated, the students had no organized movement, and largely faded back into the background of disorder upon the military defeat of their allies. Since the Maoist victory they have returned to the streets in droves to join the Red Guards and fight for the revolution
    • Soldier's Soviets: With the cities in total revolt a soldier's revolution could very well have brought victory to the non Maoist forces, alas, this revolt never gained much steam, and the solider's soviets were in fact the soldier's soviet, with only a single one forming, and quickly being crushed, creating a much more stable remnant for the regime to flee to then they might otherwise have had
    • Union Revolutionaries: When the revolution came to the cities everyone assumed the unions would rise up with them, but after the first day of the conflict, everyone looked around and realized this had failed to materialize. Far from joining the revolution in fact, the Unions stayed out entirely, and in some cases even provided support to the police forces who had wined and dined their leadership. When the city revolts failed they gained a position of prominence, and, when soon after, the Maoists swept in, the were utterly destroyed.


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