The Plan behind the Bat - A Wayne Enterprises Planquest

Hey @Tjf are Shadow Powers a thing in this setting?

You know abilities/characteristics that DC characters demonstrate but are not ever called out as part of their power set or powers of the wider world like Clark Kent's inhumane humanity, Batman's Sage Dice luck, Catwoman's mad science level skill in math, Wonder Woman's repeated subtextual implications that the Amazons were split into a quiet civil conflict between Athena and Ares and that Diana and the Amazons she grew up with are on the Athena side while the people with Amazonian blood in the wider world are descended from the remnant of Ares' side of the Amazons, ect.

Edit: Swapped the question mark and punctuation because I realized my question had a period at the end of and my explanation of my question had a question mark at the end of it. 😓
I don't know about that Wonder Woman idea, but something that's definitely out there are Joker's mutations. They are more subdued than your typical meta, but they are present. Some versions, like The Batman, had monkey-like athleticism, but most exhibited at least the effect of poisonous blood, immunity to many toxins, and, something that's definitely-not-spoken, likely a healing factor of sorts, or some unconscious luck manipulation power allowing to escape from the brink of death. Then there was that time when Batman lost his memory, Joker climbed out from his latest "death" looking rather sane, then, when Batman started to regain it, appeared to him and warned not to do it, and by the time Batman fully regained his title and memories, the Joker accepted that his body was mutating back into the crazy clown. And there was an older comic where the Joker thought he killed Batman and deliberately got surgery and therapy to turn his life around, then, again, started changing after finding out that Batman survived. So there's def. something fishy with the Joker beyond "unpowered supervillain".
Oh, and Mr. Freeze has survival in cold (though that's half a curse), a healing factor, and even longevity beyond it, able to survive past his various organs getting destroyed.
 
I dunno, I'd suspect that part of that is just people playing with the status quo that the Joker can't be defeated, because that'd be actual progression and getting rid of a popular villain.
 
I think I'll have to read up on that.

OK in order:

- For Clark Kent go look at the trope Clark Kenting. Specifically the real life section and how it is portrayed in works deconstructing Superman.

Basically while Clark was raised human, he is a Kryptonian and as such certain foibles, fears and instincts that humans have and mostly don't ever think about Clark doesn't. So while Clark is fully human culturally certain ideas just don't occur to him.

Like say idea that a secret identity as a reporter he uses to gather information, affect social change by drawing attention to problems he can't simply muscle and/or inspire away and stay in touch with his friends is his real life and that Superman is his public service kayfabe and that Kal-El is his birth name he only thinks of when he is dealing with Kryptonian matters is uncanny to most humans as we are both instinctually and culturally conditioned to use our own biological and cultural history as reference points to define ourselves.

Some humans overcome this early life conditioning, but there is a reason that orphans that discover their own biological, cultural and familial heritage are such regular and popular protagonists in stories throughout human history. Clark Kent never thinks about these topics when interacting with humans. That's what his interactions with other Kryptonians are for.

- Batman is a character in the mold of the old mythical heroes being compared to a modern day King Arthur regularly enough that DC went and turned him into one of the Knights of the Round table at one point. A better comparison would be to call Batman a modern day male fully heroic Medea.

Both leave their native cities, fall in love with a foreigner that is an utter disaster for their own psychological well being that ends with them damaging their new family and fleeing, they both end up in the realm ruled by simmering rage where they fall in love again and bring the rage to a boil forcing them to run again, they both wander the world helping people until they come back to their home city and for the sake of their familial love drive out the corruption that has taken hold there in their absence to the best of their abilities, but never fully succeed.

And they both beat the Dealer. That last one is where Batman's weird luck comes from: The Dealer is one of those metaphysical/metaphorical concepts in modern day storytelling that shows up only occasionally because he's more of a plot device than a character outright in most cases, the only case where he is a character that I can think of is the Hand of Fate games, and he represents the trials of Heroes:

1) The Trial of Mind/Will where the Hero faces and overcomes the death of their own Mind/Will/Ideals at the hands of a Demon/Society/the World itself.

2) The Trial of Might/Force where the Hero faces and overcomes the death of their own Body/Flesh/Political Power at the hands of a Demon/Overpowering Opponent/Petty Politics.

3) The Trial of Desolation/Despair where the Hero faces and overcomes the death of their own Circle of Comrades/Hearth/Lifespan at the hands of a Demon/Destitution/Eldritch Madness.

The reward for beating the Dealer is a Crown of the Prince, not Princess since we talking in old/occult terms here and it is only ever Prince in English for that, that in the specific case of getting it from the Dealer grants the owner Luck/Fate. Which is why I described it as Sage Dice luck instead of anything else, it is a really obscure and weird superpower.

- Catwoman is easy: One of the women who were the inspiration for her creation was Hedy Lamarr. Hedy Lamarr was on top of being a famous actress was also an inventor though in her time she was not recognized because sexism. When writers remember that Catwoman was based in part on Hedy Lamarr, they go for oh she was good at math let's make Catwoman good at math as well and have her invent her own gear.

- Wonder Woman is a pain in the ass though. Ares features regularly as part of her Rouges Gallery as both an enemy and a sort of Devil figure to the Amazons where he occasionally tempts them to side with him trough offered power/prowess.

Basically the writers took the whole Ancient Greek mythical conflict between Athena and Ares and then the fact that Ares was the only Greek God to have Demigod children by the Amazons and turned it into this whole thing where Ares has at some point in the comics been:

1) A patron of a rival faction of Amazons

2) A creepy stalker to the Amazons

3) A corrupter of Diana's friends

4) Diana's Grandfather when the Edit 2: writers remember that he is Queen Hippolyta's father

Then of course there is also:

I don't know about that Wonder Woman idea, but something that's definitely out there are Joker's mutations. They are more subdued than your typical meta, but they are present. Some versions, like The Batman, had monkey-like athleticism, but most exhibited at least the effect of poisonous blood, immunity to many toxins, and, something that's definitely-not-spoken, likely a healing factor of sorts, or some unconscious luck manipulation power allowing to escape from the brink of death. Then there was that time when Batman lost his memory, Joker climbed out from his latest "death" looking rather sane, then, when Batman started to regain it, appeared to him and warned not to do it, and by the time Batman fully regained his title and memories, the Joker accepted that his body was mutating back into the crazy clown. And there was an older comic where the Joker thought he killed Batman and deliberately got surgery and therapy to turn his life around, then, again, started changing after finding out that Batman survived. So there's def. something fishy with the Joker beyond "unpowered supervillain".
Oh, and Mr. Freeze has survival in cold (though that's half a curse), a healing factor, and even longevity beyond it, able to survive past his various organs getting destroyed.

Joker. Who is a hypersane ableist and a mad science level chemist. All of his other variable qualities are derived from that.

Basically Joker's fundamental character is that he resents Batman for helping people and ruining the big joke. In a dystopian society where humans are nothing but animals fighting for territory Joker takes Edit: off the make-up and the funny suits and just goes around being a normal citizen laughing at everybody on the inside. So Joker in say Cyberpunk 2077 would just be a quiet corpo drone.

But give society the idea that people can be more than animals and Joker gets offended and angry at the liar who dares to claim man can be more than his most base animal self. And so he sets out to prove that the liar is lying while having fun along the way since the bastard has turned the world intolerably boring. That is Joker in a nutshell.

He isn't insane, it's just society at large that thinks he is.

Edit: off not of

Edit 2: writers not writer's
 
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Ok so I was thinking that we continue the same actions but replace "Research the Market (Civilian Goods)" with "Research Rival (LexCorp)" or "Research Lesser companies" as it would help us to counter Lex and other megacorporations.

Also how's the interlude...?
 
If this was a more narrative quest, I'd just say offer him a quiet out of court settlement to recoup our losses plus a little extra or we would release a bunch of ads talking about how we plan to revitalize Gotham and fix the local economy at the same time as leaking what LexCorp did to a suitable journalist or media studio to hurt his reputation. But since this is a dice and mechanic heavy quest I am not sure that would work.

Also, have we figured out what year it is?
The issue is even if we find a newspaper willing to tweak Lex's nose...who cares? This is corporate rat fuckery yes, but it is the type that would really warrant a slot on Page 3 or really get any one caring?
 
The issue is even if we find a newspaper willing to tweak Lex's nose...who cares? This is corporate rat fuckery yes, but it is the type that would really warrant a slot on Page 3 or really get any one caring?
Sure, and to be fair it's less about actually hurting Lex's reputation and more about saying "hey, you messed with our shit a bit, do something to fix it or we will be annoying". That it is on Page 3 doesn't really matter, those interested in Businesses news will know and a good chunk of our workers will know. Even if they don't actually care we got screwed by Lex if we make it public we can point to it (and any other things he might do) later when we are large and powerful enough to actually intrude on LexCorp Markets or harm their reputation even more when he goes Crazy in his Anti-Superman act.
 
Interlude - "A Night at the Opera"
Gotham Opera House - March:

"Okay, this kind of makes up for Wayne Manor." Your wife says, nestling up beside you as the two of you watch the musicians tune their instruments in the orchestra pit. "Box seats? If your parents could see you now." She chuckles, the two of you taking the opportunity to cuddle up together, in a private box overlooking the stage. "Weird that Wayne gave us tickets, but was so insistent we didn't go tonight. You think he knows something we- Oh shit, it's The Roman. Don't look." You look. In the oversized Royal box next to yours - so named, your programme informs you, with the intention of seating British royalty before the Revolution in the mistaken belief they'd visit the colonies - sits Carmine "The Roman" Falcone, mob boss and the ruler of Gotham.
One of his bodyguards, a mountain of muscle in an ill-fitting suit, glares at you, and you quickly look away. "Rubbing shoulders with the rich and famous already?" You sigh.

The orchestra finishes their preparations and the lights begin to dim. The stage goes black, and you hear a voice.

"Ladies. Gentlemen. You have eaten well."

A flurry of whispers travel across the room.

"Is this meant to be in English?"

"You have eaten Gotham's wealth."

"This isn't how Tosca starts - is this one of those 'modern reinterpretations or somethin'?"

"Her spirit."

"What happened to the lights?"

"But your feast is nearly over. And none of you are safe."

A sound rings out from the stage, that only you recognise - the sound of a thick polycarbonate cable being shot out of a grapnel gun - and you watch in shock as a rope flies over Carmine Falcone's shoulder, wrapping tightly around his neck afte the cable stretches to its full length. The Don, the Godfather, The Roman - Gotham's untouchable king, is dragged forwards, flipping over the balcony and crashing into the seats below.

There's a pregnant pause, no one daring to speak, no one daring to even look at the man lying ass up beneath the Royal box, groaning in pain and trying to get to his feet, as though worried that even witnessing The Roman's humiliation will make them share the inevitable retribution to follow.

"The hell are you idiots doing! Get the bastard!" The goliath springs forward, faster than you'd think, and lands on the ground floor, rushing the stage with nine other men. They spread out, dodging the orchestra pit as they clamber up to the stage. A man falls at the edge, one of your batarangs carving a gash in his forhead as it knocks his head back. He falls into the pit and you hear the crashing of cymbals and the atonal shriek of a bassoon. "He's throwin' shit, be care-aah!" Another man lands on his back with the grapnel cable around his ankle, and he thrashes and screams, nails carving lines in the wooden stage floor as he's dragged into darkness and goes silent. You hear a thunderclap, then several more as the gangsters draw pistols and begin firing randomly at the stage. The gunshots bouncing off the acoustics are so loud that you can barely hear it as the stage floor explodes upwards in a shower of wooden splinters, and one of the men falls through the floor - no, is dragged through it.

You hear screams from the audience and feel the rush as people get up from their seats to run for the exit, but your gaze is fixed on the stage. The Falcone men are firing downwards now, spending the last of their ammunition on the floor. Their magazines drop almost at once to the broken ground, and then the stage lights come on at what must be the maximum brightness setting. Wayne stands, somehow, at the middle of the stage, clad in the suit you made for him.
The first man to recover from the blinding lights pulls his hand from his face to see a gauntleted fist smash into it. He flies backwards in a spray of broken teeth. The next thug tries to backpedal and gain some room to reload. Wayne stomps a foot down on his instep to halt his flight, and then sends the front part of the guy's knee backwards. A knife slashes through the outer layer of the Batsuit, getting caught by the aramid fibres within and bouncing off harmlessly before Wayne brings a knee up into the guy's nose. The goliath moves forward, a massive arm sailing through the air as Wayne ducks, recoiling back before sending two hard shots to the Batman's stomach. Wayne doubles forward in pain, grabs the man, twisting, and then both of them crash loudly through the stage and out of sight. As quickly as the show started, it's over.

"Next time, I pick the entertainment for date night." Your wife exhales next to you.

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"Alright, Mr Fox. I'll let you get back to it. Wait outside and we'll send your wife out to meet you once she's given her statement. Thank you for your cooperation." The tired looking ginger detective dismisses you, and you walk out of the Opera House. There are too many people out front, talking, gossiping, and too many Falcones among them for your comfort. You head into the nearby alley, wondering what you got yourself into - you expected Wayne would be fighting muggers and rapists, maybe some low-level gangsters. Not...whatever the hell that was.

So deep are you in thought that you don't notice the thief until she's right behind you. "That was really quite the show, huh? I nearly forgot to rob the place blind." She purrs, and you nearly jump out of your skin. Turning, you see her, up in the fire escape. It's too dark to see much, but you can make out the tight leather catsuit and balaclava. Remembering the reason you came here - the message slipped into your office with an request to meet, you sigh. "You wanted to talk. So talk." Out front, you hear people beginning to shout as they realise their valuables have been stolen.

"LexCorp has been stepping on you - trying to show you who's boss. If you don't fight back, they're going to get bolder." She says, all business. "My offer's simple - I give you my number, and when you need to make your enemy hurt, you give me a call. Corporate espionage, sabotage - I do a bit of everything. Well, not murder - you'll have to find someone else for that. So?"

Choose One:

[] Refuse -
You'll fight your battle with LexCorp within the law
[] Accept - (Gain Catwoman as an asset for corporate espionage)
[] Shout out - The police are just around the corner. If you shout, they might be able to catch this thief.

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QM Note: Forgive me for the length of the opening section - I'd planned just a small scene to show you how BMan had rolled with the new suit you made him, but it kept getting longer and longer as I wrote it and ended up overshadowing the Catwoman section that was the whole point of the update. I beg your indulgence - I'm not very good at writing action, but it's fun to write nonetheless.

As for the next turn, it should be coming up soon - with some revisions to the numbers to make actions a little less difficult.
 
I'm tempted but can we out box Luthor under the table and will Wayne disapprove?
I don't think so, but we're surely not doing it publicly. Really, I'm surprised Catwoman made this offer. Picking fights with Luthor doesn't seem wise, but maybe, nobody knows the depths in which Lex will go for victory; who else builds mech suits to throw hands with physical Gods?
 
I'm not thinking we be the ones to start shit.

But, if every time Lexcorp tries hitting us with underhanded tactics some of their secret projects go missing or data is stolen.... well. They might eventually get the hint, and if not, we get a stream of guilt free corporate data and secrets.
 
I'm not thinking we be the ones to start shit.

But, if every time Lexcorp tries hitting us with underhanded tactics some of their secret projects go missing or data is stolen.... well. They might eventually get the hint, and if not, we get a stream of guilt free corporate data and secrets.
We haven't started anything, Lex has. Last turn he messed with one of out actions by buying up businesses for marketing research and sent us a note that etchasketch was the thing people wanted. So it's between trying to do this legally which will probably entail a war of money vs money/intrigue or we go somewhat low using catwoman.
 
[X] Accept - (Gain Catwoman as an asset for corporate espionage)

There is no moratorium as far as I can see so I'm going for this because getting Catwoman to work with Lucius Fox this early means we can start getting her off of the villain path. That woman is basically a DnD Rogue in a Superhero setting. Being able to offer her better work than simply stealing from the rich and getting her input on what the poor of Gotham need are both actual reasons I want her on our side.

The whole Corporate Espionage against Luthor is just our foot in the door for me.
 
Is this pre retcon catwoman or post brainwash retcon catwoman in terms of personality?

Do we have reference, like thefts happening in Gotham, pet themed stuff being stolen etc.
 
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When we make the next version of the batsuit we should consider maybe including something to prevent forensic identification.

I don't think so, but we're surely not doing it publicly. Really, I'm surprised Catwoman made this offer. Picking fights with Luthor doesn't seem wise, but maybe, nobody knows the depths in which Lex will go for victory; who else builds mech suits to throw hands with physical Gods?
Well it's the early days right now so superman isn't known as anything more then a red and blue blur fliting around helping folk and Lex is currently just a shady businessman rather then a supervillain obsessing over superman and somehow both holding onto his company and avoiding getting arrested even though he keeps blatantly acting out as a supervillain.

As for the cat she's in it for the thrill so robbing LexCorp would be something she's just fine with, maybe not so much after Lex starts stomping around in battlemechs and surviving fistfights with a physical god but until then LexCorp is fair game.

[X] Accept - (Gain Catwoman as an asset for corporate espionage)
 
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Just curious but could we take her number now and not use it until we talk to Bruce?

I mean yes we could use some help if Lex is already looking to mess with us but would it be worth our relationship with Bruce if her found out later?
 
Just curious but could we take her number now and not use it until we talk to Bruce?

I mean yes we could use some help if Lex is already looking to mess with us but would it be worth our relationship with Bruce if her found out later?
Might as well not take the number then. He likes to do things above board always. Except when it comes to his superhero stuff.

[X] Accept - (Gain Catwoman as an asset for corporate espionage)

There is no moratorium as far as I can see so I'm going for this because getting Catwoman to work with Lucius Fox this early means we can start getting her off of the villain path. That woman is basically a DnD Rogue in a Superhero setting. Being able to offer her better work than simply stealing from the rich and getting her input on what the poor of Gotham need are both actual reasons I want her on our side.

The whole Corporate Espionage against Luthor is just our foot in the door for me.
Get her off the Villain path by having her do something villainous? Also doesn't this give her blackmail if she's recording things from when we use her services.

She also might be offering this so she'd get paid for revenge or other personal reasons, we dont know. Even if it's just for business, how do we turn that into friendship to change her ways if we don't use her services first?

Then the last problem is why would fox do this in character and how would the decision inform or effect his character?

Edit: Going into this to reform her is basically falling into the batman trap.
 
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