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Wealth of the Earth puts us in an extremely strong position to do both 'Freedom of Faith' and 'A New Kingdom' post-conquest. We'll still have to work towards and achieve them on our own, but controlling the source of all metal and mineral wealth in the country is huge. It gives us a monopoly on everything people need to make metal weapons, non-fabric armour, cooking pots, most complex tools, a good number of luxury goods, etc- even putting aside the purely wealth-based aspect of that, it gives us huge political leverage too. Being able to cut people off- or even just threaten to cut them off- from those raw resources is an incredibly potent tool.

It doesn't give us a new kingdom, or freedom of faith. It does give us tools we can use to get those things ourselves.
 
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[ ] A New Kingdom
[ ] Wealth of the Earth
[ ] A Favour

These 3 are the ones that stand out to me the most in my desire to to full supervillain, and of those a kingdom and the riches are the ones that really pop.

Our own nation to rule rule is a classic option, but by God does "Everything under the surface belongs to me" have flair.

[X] A New Kingdom
[X] Wealth of the Earth
 
NSMS said:
It gives us a monopoly on everything people need to make metal weapons, non-fabric armour, cooking pots, most complex tools, a good number of luxury goods, etc- even putting aside the purely wealth-based aspect of that, it gives us huge political leverage too. Being able to cut people off- or even just threaten to cut them off- from those raw resources is an incredibly potent tool.
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Yeah, in theory. In practise I don't see how we will be able to enforce our claim, when literally everyone will oppose us, including other dwarves.
 
Varder said:
Yeah, in theory. In practise I don't see how we will be able to enforce our claim, when literally everyone will oppose us, including other dwarves.
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If something is legally ours then it's ultimately the responsibility of the government to enforce it, and the original write-in had it so they actually had to support us/couldn't hinder us so I assume something similar would apply here.
 
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If something is legally ours then it's ultimately the responsibility of the government to enforce it, and the original write-in had it so they actually had to support us/couldn't hinder us so I assume something similar would apply here.
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Or the government can figure out if they support our monopoly we can become a danger to them and decide to oppose us. The vote option doesn't say anything about supporting and enforcing our claim, merely that Valka will be granted it.
 
Varder said:
Or the government can figure out if they support our monopoly we can become a danger to them and decide to oppose us. The vote option doesn't say anything about supporting and enforcing our claim, merely that Valka will be granted it.
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I'm assuming we'll be competent enough to spot and close that loophole, seeing as Maugan's taken the exact wording out of our hands.
 
A Dwarven kingdom will obviously have unrestricted dwarven faith within its borders, and may be able to project military or economic power to exert influence on the religious policies of its neighbors when it comes to respecting dwarven faith, by making it a term of diplomatic and/or trade negotiations. Could also offer dwarves fleeing religious persecution a generous immigration package, so other nations will have to choose between respecting dwarven religion or suffering dwarven brain drain.


Just voting Freedom of faith is gonna be more unstable and potentially worthless in the long term, imo. Without an independent power base, the faith will always be in danger of Asmodeus/his clergy (gradually) wriggling out, and if their church falls again so does the Dwarven faith, but even harder this time for the association with the Lord of Hell.

[X]A New Kingdom



As for the treasure, I'm kind of afraid of the huuuuuge target it'll paint on Valka's back for forever. Once a kingdom is established with defenses and stuff killing Valka won't just dissolve the whole thing, but personally owning all the metal means a hugetastic amount of people will see killing us/having us killed as an economic opportunity.
 
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Ehh Freedom of Faith doesn't really appeal. Wealth is always useful to an aspiring wizard, and even more so for an aspiring Dark Lord. Freedom of Faith doesn't do that much for us.

[x] Wealth of the Earth
 
The issue with the kingdom option is that it requires a huge amount of buy-in from other dwarves. I'm not sure we have the charisma to build that support.

Edit: On consideration though building this support seems like an interesting side quest.
[X] A New Kingdom
 
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Varder said:
Or the government can figure out if they support our monopoly we can become a danger to them and decide to oppose us. The vote option doesn't say anything about supporting and enforcing our claim, merely that Valka will be granted it.
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The QM also said we don't really have to worry about the wording of these options at the top of the latest threadmark, and that Valka will figure out the wording to avoid any of the obvious loopholes.

So I think it's a relatively safe assumption that that IC Valka will put in the work to make sure that the letter of the contract matches the spirit of this vote, is that right @Maugan Ra?
 
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