Humble Beginnings, a Cultivation Quest
- Thread starter Ubiquitouch
- Start date
- Original Fantasy
- Location
- A beautiful new land, at once alien and familiar.
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Oh ok, so it's 1xp/success for each stat/skill that contributed dice.
Hey QM, it seems from my reading of stat training that we could level up each of our 1 attributes to 2 attributes with only one training action each as long as we get a single success. Is it intended to be so easy to train attributes?
Hey QM, it seems from my reading of stat training that we could level up each of our 1 attributes to 2 attributes with only one training action each as long as we get a single success. Is it intended to be so easy to train attributes?
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Note that the dice pool on training a stat at 1 is definitionally 1 die (Int helps with Skill Training, but the stat itself is all that's rolled for stats), so this only happens half the time. So, on average, in one training period (which involves training two things), if training only attributes at 1, you'll get 1 attribute up by a single point. And that slows down a lot pretty much immediately.
That all sounds right to me.
- Location
- A beautiful new land, at once alien and familiar.
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Sure I get that, but that still means we've got a 50% in any training period of taking one of our attributes from baseline mortal to the peak of mortal, and a 25% chance of going from baseline in two attributes to peak mortal in two attributes. Now idk, maybe each training period is 6 months or a year and that might be realistic. But maybe the system is designed around a PC who is destined to be a Cultivator, and therefor is designed to let us power up faster than your average person. Not complaining or anything, just got me thinking.
Kind of? It's more a thing that she has latent potential that causes her to hit peak mortal pretty quickly. It is very quick at the start though, yes.
Training periods will be pretty flexible, but for the most part consist of a week, which is 12 days. The world functions on a solar calendar composed of 30 weeks, split into 5 6-week seasons which each starts with a day not part of a week.
They might be longer as well though, lasting a month, which is 3 weeks, or 36 days.
WhoTheHeckity
But no one ever asks HowTheHeckity
- Location
- Murica 🦅
[X] The blue-skinned spearwoman on a deer.
I assume we'd be able to Boost that action with Qi, once we unlock it, which would give us an extra die.
Does this mean that when a Specialization is rolled, we get 3 total experience for each success (i.e. 1 each from Charisma, Socialize and Inspire)? If that's the case, that's the fastest way to level outside of Training, which we could try to capitalize on, somehow, if we took Actions aimed at rolling Specializations.
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
[X] The blue-skinned spearwoman on a deer.
@Ubiquitouch I encourage you to add the result of the last vote at the top of each update. It makes it much easier for readers to catchup while just looking at the threadmarks.
@Ubiquitouch I encourage you to add the result of the last vote at the top of each update. It makes it much easier for readers to catchup while just looking at the threadmarks.
- Location
- A beautiful new land, at once alien and familiar.
- Pronouns
- They/Them
I mean, it would make sense to me that we could use Qi to help train better attributes, sounds like infusing Qi into our bones etc. but would be good to get some QM confirmation.
I don't think we have any Specialisations yet, so we'll have to discuss as a thread and zero in on the specialisations we wanna work towards.
My priorities for new specialisations are:
1. Inspire (Socialise) to be able convince people to join us, to have mercy, to believe us, etc.
2. Formations (Craft) so we can overlap our artifice with formation work for truly powerful and unique creations.
3. Oratory (Performance) so we can verbally murder our opponents.
We also def wanna train all our current skills:
Perception
Craft (artifice)
Socialise
Ranged Combat (firearms)
Defense (dodge)
And I think these skills that we have 0 in are worth improving too:
Athletics
Stealth
Survival
Lore (any)
- Pronouns
- He/Him
No, we do. Artificing, Dodge, and Firearms are Specializations. They're all difficult to sub in for other things, though, we'll either be using them or we won't.
Note that we lack Performance, need to grab that before we grab Oratory. I'm also not sold on Formations, necessarily. Maybe.
It definitely seems like we should grab at least 2 in most skills eventually, that said, we're mechanically encouraged to wait until we raise Int to raise skills too much...I think we should focus on stats early on at least. Barring specific reasons.
Last edited:
- Location
- A beautiful new land, at once alien and familiar.
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Yeah I wrote that before realising I was wrong and forgot to correct it that we do have specialisations.
Yeah we will need to get Performance first.
We can't get an attribute above 2 until we break through to the next realm, which is 98xp far away. And Intelligence is already at 2. So I think we should first get our other attributes up and then work out which skills we want to take to 3 before we rank up (3 is the highest a skill can be at realm 0.) So that's a fair bit of room for training our current skills up to peak as well as new skills to learn before then.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I mean, getting all the remaining stats to 2 is 70 xp right there, and getting that will take long enough that we're likely to pick a significant amount of the remaining xp up during that time (heck, we may not even get through upping every stat before we hit 100...it depends how many rolls we make on other stuff per period of training). We'd then round out whatever remains with chosen skills, but we should definitely prioritize the stats first in Training.
- Location
- A beautiful new land, at once alien and familiar.
- Pronouns
- They/Them
1/70 (all stats to 2)
1/30 (skills)
This is assuming we are perfectly efficient with the actions we take and the xp we get. We could of course get 10 successes (9 more now) in rolls that use Charisma and level it up that way instead of through training, but that's very ambitious and seems unlikely. It seems likely we will either get to 100xp before we have everything ready for RealmUp; having said that I bet if we get a stat partway to leveling up and then train it the 10xp will overflow so we won't be losing xp. Hey @Ubiquitouch does it matter which skills/stats we have at RealmUp like the tropes of 'foundations' that often show up in xianxia?
The xp overflow is interesting because it means there's some tension when it comes to which attributes we train first. Do we train the ones we're likely to need the most? Or do we train the ones we think we are unlikely to boost through passive use first? Having said that, it might be good to train the ones we need the most first because if we use it enough and xp overflows we might be able to break through and very quickly get our attributes to 3.
Hmm questions questions questions.
Currently that's how it works, yes. That's something I've considered and settled on how it is right now, but if it ends up causing leveling too quickly, I might have it end up splitting xp between the things used to create the dice pool.
Good call, added.
I'll be real, I haven't quite decided on the actual mechanical differences from tier to tier at this point, beyond raw stat stuff. I do know that there are no specific stat requirements for the 1st realm, though, you just need the 100 xp total and to be Awakened. And yes, xp does roll over if you pass the realm requirement, it's a total xp counter, it never resets - when yall reach 1st realm, it'll go to 100/400 for the next, not back to 0/400.. Technically there's nothing stopping yall from just leveling infinitely at 1st without breaking through, but I'll probably add a pretty severe diminishing returns.
Vote closed
- Location
- A beautiful new land, at once alien and familiar.
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Does this apply to Attribute xp too? If we trained Charisma now and succeeded would our Charisma go to 2 at 11/20 xp?
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Doesn't look like it. Our level 2 stats are at 0/40, not 10/40. It might 'roll over' and be at 1/40 though. That'd be my guess.
Excess xp rolls over, but the counter on them resets. I might think of a new calculation to keep it in the same area as current, but standardize with the total xp not resetting.
Could I get a 1d10 roll from someone for charisma+survival? Survival is 0 but stands to gain xp from this so it's included in the dice pool.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
The upper limit for both Attributes and Skills is based on Level, not Realm, and we're Lv1 there, so we can train anything up to 3.
I'd like to see how the quest shapes up, both from a narrative and a mechanics standpoint, before planning a build, so to speak. Arts tend to be the coolest things in Xianxia, though, so they're likely to be my priority, even if sub-optimal, and they're likely to shape my goals more than a little.
- Location
- A beautiful new land, at once alien and familiar.
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Except that mortals can never have more than 2 in an attribute, and at realm 0, we are mortal.
Yeah sure, I hear you about letting it develop a bit. Just wanna get in on the ground floor here because I've been part of heaps of quests where the voters don't really discuss or plan and so the quest is very chaotic. But we haven't even seen a whole day in quest so there's definitely no rush.
Ah, right. I imagine our becoming cultivators is gonna happen soon, but I forgot about that. Thought you were referring to the Level+2 cap.
Could I get one more roll of 2d10 for wits+perception? I think that will be it for this update, hopefully. Still gotta figure out if there's a better way to deal with the kinda minor rolls without spamming roll requests, as I want to keep yall apprised of what rolls are being made and able to participate.