TreeQuest: Magitech (Riot Quest)
Mei's still in the running? Good to know! Yeah, I have dipped in and out of a few quests. Maybe I'll go back to read the updates and see what I've missed, but that's that.
Well I'm not particularly opposed to boars. In fact, before Lugia suggested working together I was going to start eating a bunch of worms and other bugs. My current goal is to study more bones and flesh to increase experience with them before I go underway with the real experiments.
Lugia just presented an alternate opportunity. Rather than continuously getting animals, I might be able to stretch one into a lot of material and studying time to get more information and expand the scope of my knowledge concerning flesh and bone (and helps him with figuring out how to utilize the 'Fire Within'). Plus, knowing what natural life processes are key and what are not is quality info. A bit key for what I plan to do.
However, if it really makes you uncomfortable, I'll pull outta the idea. I'm not one to ride the train of cruelty, I'm just thinking what will take the least amount of effort and benefit us collaboratively.
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- Texas
Thanks. I genuinely appreciate your consideration.
I don't have any problem with researching live animals, even in ways that makes them stop being live animals, but when the conversation turns to putting roots in unconventional places, it weirds me out.
I'll second the "Please no" when you get into talk of how do you keep a consumed pig alive as long as possible.
We are not a hive mind of Sarlaccs, and should not aim to become one.
We are not a hive mind of Sarlaccs, and should not aim to become one.
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Sir Plusse
Overly Vicious Quester
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- Kansas
Gotta agree; killing is one thing, eating alive is getting uncomfortable, but the stuff that's being discussed right now is just flat-out disturbing.
No problema. These kinds of things are hard to handle when putting in fictional works and that aren't done by horribly evil Villians. I assumed the orfice thing was a joke, since when I eat the boar I eat the boar.
In that case then, @kinglugia , let's default to the basics. I eat the boar and you work your mashjik. And just in case…
I'm counting this as legally binding, MS!
I have no idea what that means but I understand the sentiment. No worries, nix on the weird and unnaturally gory stuff. I wouldn't want to read about it either…which is why I can't go through body horror quests much. Or at all.
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Star Wars. Return of the Jedi. The large pit creature that Jabba wants to drop the heroes into that will 'digest them alive over a thousand years'.
kinglugia
Hora hora~
Just to clarify: You eat the boar while I use Fire Within to keep it alive but lethargic, or... ?
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- being near locations is my passion.
I also find it very very offputting. I have read the 'consuming' things as a physical, mechanical "tearing/ripping" action. Which would cause great pain.
If one is going to kill a thing, then kill it. Don't cause it to suffer. That's fucked up.
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For whatever it's worth, I also really hated the whole "kill an animal in a tortuous manner, with the explicit intent of drawing out the process[1] for as long as possible."
[1] Which is what stoking said animal's 'Fire within' would do, functionally, as my read is that stoking 'The Fire Within' is just using magic to give an organism's cells more energy from "ATP -> Stuff" reactions.
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Edit: This is my read on the whole "Eat live Boar + Stoke Fire Within" idea: Imagine someone feeing you feet-first into a woodchipper, except they are using magic to keep you alive up until your head enters the machine and your brain is structure is randomised to the point were 'pain' is no longer a 'thing' (and then you die).
That has been my read of the idea explored between you and kinglugia and I literally feel a bit sick considering the actuality of it.
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That is it.
Please, don't bring it up. In retrospect it's messed up, yeah I get That. Gross, sad to see torture. We've already moved past it and declared that it will not be happening. The point wasn't to cause suffering but to learn, blah blah blah. The error of it has been seen, but please let this lie down. I don't want to see an escalation of anything, and we're all in agreement that torture sucks, body horror sucks. 99% sure orfice comment was a joke.
Moral Rule Forever Established: If it looks like torture, avoid it at all costs.
About as bad as that bird that impales it's prey on branches, as I said, I get it. Though my envisonment of the "eating" was that the animal was pulled into the tree and slowly digested from there. Like that plant that one pokémon: the pitcher plant.
Beep. My dude. Hombre. The point has been emphasized enough. I left immersion and looked at it objectively, and saw it was messed up. There is literally nothing else I can say. Sorry for bringing it up, if it sickened you that much, and I hope you can clear your mind of it. It's been called off.
Ach, forget it. I'll just go back to my original plan of eating bUgs. Sorry Lugia, maybe our interests will align next time in some other date.
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- being near locations is my passion.
For the sake of clarity: you might have looked at the idea and seen it in a new light, but I was really fuckin' unhappy with myself for not saying anything earlier, like... I was being lazy-bad.
I mean, if you and kinglugia are each interested in this, then I'd not have a problem with the forest learning the pattern of signals sent through the boar's spine/nervous system to keep its body functions going, killing the brain, and then woodchippering away, if you think that might be useful.
Pull the boar into yourself and consume away fam!
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Regarding the bits of your post that I quoted, as drunk-online-person it didn't click for me that we were all onboard with that, and I'm sorry that my post was functionally me harping on at you about something you had already agreed to. I've had people do to that to me, an it's seriously aggravating and felt mean-spirted, so uh. Sorry.
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Bolded bit from your post: [Deontological statement detected].
BeepSmile: *Twitches*. *Continues to twitch*. *Decides to be an actual adult, and have a hot chocolate-rum instead of going off on tangent*.
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Edit: so uh. I didn't see the posts above our interaction before making my first one here, and they fully cover my concers. um. sorry again. :/
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kinglugia
Hora hora~
Perhaps some other time, yes.
Hmm, I suppose I should adopt this too, just so that some idle thoughts remain thoughts.
Could be interesting, but we have other things on our plate at the moment. Like the Lumburglars and the Refugees.
[X][Action] Water Lot of Fun (Magic Research)
[X][Focus] Hevel
[X][Focus] Monster Energy (Magic Biology Research) (Biology Research) (Magic) (Magic Research)
[X][Focus] Life Indeed (Magic Biology Research)
[X][Focus] Store Resources Against Future Need
[X][Squirrel] Life Indeed, overflow to Burninator
[X][Format] Two Big Spoilers (Actions plus Focus, Allies)
[X][Lumberjacks] Call in a favor from Newton Village to handle them.
Action :
Water Lot of Fun - I am not really fully enthralled with doing this action but I want to unlock Water/Fire Negacion and so us doing this seems like a smart move. Its just not as cool to me as some of the other options.
Life Indeed, to me, is totally Magic/Magic Research since it represents figuring out ways to give people magic, so it could be within my wheelhouse.
I also like :
Format - One Spoiler per Bolded Category
Lumberjacks - Put up a Shield and let them bounce off of it. (If they ever find you past the still-active Empty Veil.)
Work is exhausting so its hard to read all the posts but I do really enjoy this saga. I really like what our Forest is doing and developing both in main and on the sides. I like our growing communication with our village, and now we have a 'city' linked to us a bit. I hope we create buildings within trees.
Also I wonder what sorts of paths are needed to get spatial magics - you know, of the kind where spaces are bigger on the inside. Imagine us being able to create pockets in our trees that open to vast spaces while also making it so some paths seem like a mile but are really 10 miles and some paths stretch ten miles in but a mile. That would be cool and might be worth my attention.
But yeah, great stuff here. So very fun.
EDIT: Changed Squirrel action from looking all about to Life Indeed, overflow to Burninator. I'm totally good with us doing more with that magic.
[X][Focus] Hevel
[X][Focus] Monster Energy (Magic Biology Research) (Biology Research) (Magic) (Magic Research)
[X][Focus] Life Indeed (Magic Biology Research)
[X][Focus] Store Resources Against Future Need
[X][Squirrel] Life Indeed, overflow to Burninator
[X][Format] Two Big Spoilers (Actions plus Focus, Allies)
[X][Lumberjacks] Call in a favor from Newton Village to handle them.
Action :
Water Lot of Fun - I am not really fully enthralled with doing this action but I want to unlock Water/Fire Negacion and so us doing this seems like a smart move. Its just not as cool to me as some of the other options.
Life Indeed, to me, is totally Magic/Magic Research since it represents figuring out ways to give people magic, so it could be within my wheelhouse.
I also like :
Format - One Spoiler per Bolded Category
Lumberjacks - Put up a Shield and let them bounce off of it. (If they ever find you past the still-active Empty Veil.)
Work is exhausting so its hard to read all the posts but I do really enjoy this saga. I really like what our Forest is doing and developing both in main and on the sides. I like our growing communication with our village, and now we have a 'city' linked to us a bit. I hope we create buildings within trees.
Also I wonder what sorts of paths are needed to get spatial magics - you know, of the kind where spaces are bigger on the inside. Imagine us being able to create pockets in our trees that open to vast spaces while also making it so some paths seem like a mile but are really 10 miles and some paths stretch ten miles in but a mile. That would be cool and might be worth my attention.
But yeah, great stuff here. So very fun.
EDIT: Changed Squirrel action from looking all about to Life Indeed, overflow to Burninator. I'm totally good with us doing more with that magic.
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Been thinking about that. We have some things we could study already, if that's how we want it.Also I wonder what sorts of paths are needed to get spatial magics - you know, of the kind where spaces are bigger on the inside. Imagine us being able to create pockets in our trees that open to vast spaces while also making it so some paths seem like a mile but are really 10 miles and some paths stretch ten miles in but a mile. That would be cool and might be worth my attention.
1. Suspension. What goes up, never goes back down. We're at a bit of an advantage here because we already have a canopy and most of our animal friends are good at construction. Some study of the village's buildings might help too.
2. Submersion. Forgone but not forgotten. Possible avenues for research include our roots, better sensor and mining trees, widening the cave, earth and water magic, mole tunnels, tuber integration, and more. It's a generalist choice.
3. Void. You don't have to leave, but you can't stay here. Self-explanatory, probably?
Would you consider "Life Indeed, overflow to Burninator" for the squirrels?
Life indeed is about getting every creature at least one magic and burninator pushes our fire skill up, together they could be great to help harden our creatures against winter. Especially our firesalamander who wants to learn fire/ice negation after burninator. (Which would both, be boosted by winter and make it much more bearable for our little fire creature)
paradoxdragon
Immersed in Dreams
- Location
- Someplace or another
[X][Action] Hevel
[X][Focus] Feed the Swarm (Bees)
[X][Focus] Reach Out to Minds
[X][Focus] Life Indeed (Magic Biology Research)
[X][Focus] Void Forest (Magic) (Void)
[X][Squirrel] Life Indeed, overflow to Burninator
[X][Format] One Spoiler per Bolded Category
[X][Lumberjacks] Call in a favor from Newton Village to handle them.
[X][Tree] Mind Tree
I believe that is how you vote for this?
[X][Focus] Feed the Swarm (Bees)
[X][Focus] Reach Out to Minds
[X][Focus] Life Indeed (Magic Biology Research)
[X][Focus] Void Forest (Magic) (Void)
[X][Squirrel] Life Indeed, overflow to Burninator
[X][Format] One Spoiler per Bolded Category
[X][Lumberjacks] Call in a favor from Newton Village to handle them.
[X][Tree] Mind Tree
I believe that is how you vote for this?
Welcome to the Forest!
Yes, that is a correct vote post If you havent chosen a treetype yet
There are more companions you could vote for if you wanted, but you can also leave those empty.
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Just binged this whole quest over a day and night! Wonder how I can become like, a 'Nuturing Tree' like the bee tree but for all the little critters, hmm.
Maybe I'll try to take in a small group of recently orphaned boarlings and keep them away from 'him'. Heheh.
[X][Tree] Heart Tree
[][Action] Connect to Local Wildlife (Psychic)
-Boar
[X][Action] Begin growing/digging specialized shelters for connected creatures.(Write-in)
Those elves tree houses gave a tree ideas, why should the two legs be the only ones with cozy homes? We even have heat generating magic to make them extra cozy!
Maybe I'll try to take in a small group of recently orphaned boarlings and keep them away from 'him'. Heheh.
[X][Tree] Heart Tree
-Boar
[X][Action] Begin growing/digging specialized shelters for connected creatures.(Write-in)
Those elves tree houses gave a tree ideas, why should the two legs be the only ones with cozy homes? We even have heat generating magic to make them extra cozy!
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So I have to say Hevel really calls to me, but I figure that one should master base Water Magic before working to understand side magics related to it.
I do wonder if there is something like Elementalism, us sort of working a magic that combines Air, Earth, Fire, Water and the subsets of them like Steam, etc etc.
Also the Void Forest action could be an interesting way to slide into Spatial Magics. In this case it less 'void' and more manipulating perception of space and distance.
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Oh side 'magical biology' idea - animals that shed an outer layer that has hide or fur, meat, and blood sacs. No need to kill animals for meat, they naturally shed. Variants can have hide, fur, wool, and scale. hehe Meat types can be of various 'flavors' - these domesticated farm variants could be made a bit more passive than our free roaming animal friends.
I do wonder if there is something like Elementalism, us sort of working a magic that combines Air, Earth, Fire, Water and the subsets of them like Steam, etc etc.
Also the Void Forest action could be an interesting way to slide into Spatial Magics. In this case it less 'void' and more manipulating perception of space and distance.
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Oh side 'magical biology' idea - animals that shed an outer layer that has hide or fur, meat, and blood sacs. No need to kill animals for meat, they naturally shed. Variants can have hide, fur, wool, and scale. hehe Meat types can be of various 'flavors' - these domesticated farm variants could be made a bit more passive than our free roaming animal friends.
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Sir Plusse
Overly Vicious Quester
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- Kansas
Welcome to the Forest! Unfortunately, there're two issues I can see with your vote:
1. Heart Trees are the "don't die" specialists (Defense and Survival), but you're taking a Communications action. If you plan to continue this, you might want to switch to Mind Tree.
2. While connecting to animals is always good, as a whole the Forest has basically decided that Boars, in particular, are too destructive to tolerate in any capacity other than "acceptable targets for carnivores." Would you consider going for a different species instead?
edit: Afterthought: You expressed interest in being an animal caretaker Tree. In case you missed it, you become a specific Elder Tree type by taking actions related to the specialty you want. So, for example, you'd want to generally work on preserving, enhancing, and populating our various connected animals to become an animal caretaker.
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Does survival not include 'animal survival'?
Sir Plusse
Overly Vicious Quester
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It probably does (edit: might come with the caveat of "must be healing or food production"). But anyway, for the specialization you expressed interest in, you'd probably want to do write-ins involving enhancing (Fire Within), preserving (part Fire Within, part Shielding), and populating (either Survival write-ins to feed them, or Communication actions for matchmaking) our connected animals. (I made an edit in my last post to this effect, but you might not have seen it.)
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Robinton
Probably petting Schrödinger's cat
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- Scientifically proving a miracle
Re eating living things while still alive:
Generally I'd suggest you don't.
That said, technically live dissection is an option. I just strongly recommend you numb the poor animal first. Pithing is a well-known option.
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You do get double damage, though. So that's twice the effect per cost.
If it weren't for that multiplier, I'd give you a conversion-ratio improvement outright. As it stands... Hmm...
I think you could work towards a couple of different ways to stop needing the Sun to fire the Lasers. And I think about half of them will rely upon Light/Darkness Negacion. But - since conservation of energy is (mostly) a thing, and Light/Darkness Negacion doesn't truly generate energy ex-nihilo - I think you do need to get that properly working.
Longer throws have greater chances of damaging the attacking Tree, which might stun them for one or more rounds, and will cost Resources to fix. They'll also cost a bit more TK Resources directly.
But you can throw a Tree... probably 25 yards or so reliably, with only a small chance of major injury.
So it's Japan, Britain, a bunch of islands, a lot of non-North-American former British colonies, and a chunk of South Africa-adjacent land. Cool!
(Apologies to anybody I missed with that description.)
They can accept or refuse.
Or, more likely, accept but only for sufficiently unsympathetic / "outlaw"-in-the-pejorative enemies.
Although Veritaserum and the Imperius Curse are treated ethically somewhat differently and for good reason.
First of all: If someone has enough farming knowledge to say that I'm making any silly mistakes here, let me know.
Second of all:
Mind control? Very weakly so.
It's definitely a breach of privacy, at absolute minimum. Fair under the circumstances, but breach of privacy nonetheless.
Generally I'd suggest you don't.
That said, technically live dissection is an option. I just strongly recommend you numb the poor animal first. Pithing is a well-known option.
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You still need to source the energy.
You do get double damage, though. So that's twice the effect per cost.
If it weren't for that multiplier, I'd give you a conversion-ratio improvement outright. As it stands... Hmm...
I think you could work towards a couple of different ways to stop needing the Sun to fire the Lasers. And I think about half of them will rely upon Light/Darkness Negacion. But - since conservation of energy is (mostly) a thing, and Light/Darkness Negacion doesn't truly generate energy ex-nihilo - I think you do need to get that properly working.
You're spending weeks putting together the energy that you're expending in seconds, here.
Longer throws have greater chances of damaging the attacking Tree, which might stun them for one or more rounds, and will cost Resources to fix. They'll also cost a bit more TK Resources directly.
But you can throw a Tree... probably 25 yards or so reliably, with only a small chance of major injury.
Oh. Huh! Cool! Thanks!
So it's Japan, Britain, a bunch of islands, a lot of non-North-American former British colonies, and a chunk of South Africa-adjacent land. Cool!
(Apologies to anybody I missed with that description.)
Now that is correct.
Also viable.
You can ask.
They can accept or refuse.
Or, more likely, accept but only for sufficiently unsympathetic / "outlaw"-in-the-pejorative enemies.
Valid point.
Although Veritaserum and the Imperius Curse are treated ethically somewhat differently and for good reason.
Absolutely! I was hoping someone would ask!
First of all: If someone has enough farming knowledge to say that I'm making any silly mistakes here, let me know.
Second of all:
- Corn - staple crop for feeding livestock.
- Wheat - a staple crop. Typically ground in-village. Can be eaten here, but often sold.
- This is a low-gluten variant, much more like historical Wheats, though the Forest doesn't (yet) know the difference.
- Potatoes - staple crop, great source of calories. Eaten locally.
- A bunch of different herbs and such.
- Tomatoes, carrots, lettuce and such, cucumbers, and so on.
- A few variants of flowers. The Millers have a very overgrown rosebush climbing their house's back wall.
- A dozen apple trees, various nut trees, and so on.
It was a combination of "manipulate her environment" and "mental suggestion (as subtle as possible)" with a bit of "mind-reading" thrown in to fill in the gaps in her spoken words.
Mind control? Very weakly so.
It's definitely a breach of privacy, at absolute minimum. Fair under the circumstances, but breach of privacy nonetheless.
Robinton
Probably petting Schrödinger's cat
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- Scientifically proving a miracle
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Though you'd need to make the main catapult arm very strong (via strong materials or large cross-sectional size).
Front page updated.
Or Competent and a few decades.
Or Expert and less practice.
Or Grandmaster and five minutes.
Difficulty depends on expertise.
When introducing me to my counterparts, please pick either sane ones or ones that are friends with Sheogorath.
Thank you.
Still concerning, but an improvement.
I mean, you don't know for sure.
But it's totally mitochondria.
And, therefore, part of "Flesh". (And Bone.)
They weren't sapient beforehand. They are now. That may make a difference.
Fair.
Oh, that also sounds awesome!
Though you'd need to make the main catapult arm very strong (via strong materials or large cross-sectional size).
True.
Fair point.
Welcome!
Done.
Front page updated.
Journeyman and a lot of practice.
Or Competent and a few decades.
Or Expert and less practice.
Or Grandmaster and five minutes.
Difficulty depends on expertise.
Absolutely no thanks for introducing me to an insane ultra-depressed alternate-universe counterpart of myself-as-an-author.
When introducing me to my counterparts, please pick either sane ones or ones that are friends with Sheogorath.
Thank you.
Let's see how successful your action is.
You know, this is better than eating a creature by inches.
Still concerning, but an improvement.
Mitochondria. The not-exactly-burning process they do.
I mean, you don't know for sure.
But it's totally mitochondria.
And, therefore, part of "Flesh". (And Bone.)
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