The Mallus Compliance (Space Marines in Warhammer Fantasy - Chapter Master/Empire Building)
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Yeah, scans with both the thunderhawks and peregrin is fine and good and sensible as an interpretation. Your are correct though though I was...not thinking clearly with that other one though.
Sending more than one marine would be fine. My thinking(which I now realize failed to explain
)when making that was closer to ''have a council of relevant astartes officers vote on who to send from a pool of cadidates rather than just whomever has spent most time with serfs'' but I'm realizing with rest and hindsight that that's ...probably already how it would be done if it passed anyway.
With the idea being that the field performance and the selection could be two separate points of excellence/junctions of failure. Which could have made for a wider variety of narrative outcomes. 😔
Wherin I assumed with normal one vote they would just grab with little care whomever had spent the most time in such environments and whom otherwise wasn't occupied with vital work like tracking nagash or guarding the fortress mon, etc.
However maybe this is assuming too much control/influence over the marines/votes to begin with.
If thats not applicable I think I will shift that section to
[]Militia Liaison
[] Serf Training
Because they strike me as having the potnetial to work well together, or at minimum to fail in interesting ways😏 such as getting a marine whose very skilled at training other marines but goes through training his mortal charges like a wave does a sandcastle.
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Putting a vote towards ZB's plan since it seems the most adaptable out the generalist plans to me.
[X] Plan Expanding Empire
Yeah, scans with both the thunderhawks and peregrin is fine and good and sensible as an interpretation. Your are correct though though I was...not thinking clearly with that other one though.
Sending more than one marine would be fine. My thinking(which I now realize failed to explain
)when making that was closer to ''have a council of relevant astartes officers vote on who to send from a pool of cadidates rather than just whomever has spent most time with serfs'' but I'm realizing with rest and hindsight that that's ...probably already how it would be done if it passed anyway.With the idea being that the field performance and the selection could be two separate points of excellence/junctions of failure. Which could have made for a wider variety of narrative outcomes. 😔
Wherin I assumed with normal one vote they would just grab with little care whomever had spent the most time in such environments and whom otherwise wasn't occupied with vital work like tracking nagash or guarding the fortress mon, etc.
However maybe this is assuming too much control/influence over the marines/votes to begin with.
If thats not applicable I think I will shift that section to
[]Militia Liaison
[] Serf Training
Because they strike me as having the potnetial to work well together, or at minimum to fail in interesting ways😏 such as getting a marine whose very skilled at training other marines but goes through training his mortal charges like a wave does a sandcastle.
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Putting a vote towards ZB's plan since it seems the most adaptable out the generalist plans to me.
[X] Plan Expanding Empire
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Generally actions will be taken in a sensible fashion. I recall one quest where the players forgot to include a techmarine in a deployment and the QM punished them by have a character moan about having no techmarines etc. I thought that was quite silly really, and I'm not really interested in micromanagement like that. I'd also say that you have a tendency to want to specify things, and I think it would be easier for you to be more general. Unless a specific battleplan is required, the marines will just do what seems sensible to them.
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I'm willing to try to integrate something like that for the Equipment Plan but I'm not sure what you'd want to really look for, don't STC's tend to make only one kind of item if I recall, like Spoons or Tanks say?
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Anyway I think this thread needs a bit more levity especially after driving back the Amputari and having some of our dudes turn into furry's.
If some reverent scribe asked Pridelord Amra, The Emperors Anointed, Planetary Governor Of Mallus what his birthday was and he graciously deigned to answer, which date would he chose?
His mortal birth?
His induction as a Neophyte?
His rebirth into his present form after having a bit of a disagreement with Settra?
Some other date?
I think it is a fun question to consider!
If some reverent scribe asked Pridelord Amra, The Emperors Anointed, Planetary Governor Of Mallus what his birthday was and he graciously deigned to answer, which date would he chose?
His mortal birth?
His induction as a Neophyte?
His rebirth into his present form after having a bit of a disagreement with Settra?
Some other date?
I think it is a fun question to consider!
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Suuuuurrrreee yea that could work. Dependant on rolls though
not necessarily, it's a template, you could have a town planning stc or a public transport stc, it most commonly used with items sure, but the dark age of tech humans would have standardised other things too.
In this case, you might get an stc which is for extremely complex manufacturing sites, which would moderately reduce the amount of time, or you might get one which is a ceramite bending machine or something which would reduce it further because that would speed up building armour. With a crit, you might find an stc for making something else cool, it depends really.
The kingmaker was a explorator battleship, it's going to have a lot of stuff in it
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Alright, my data vaults write in has been updated to synergize with building the Lion Forge under the Maximizing Equipment plan.
Two learning actions and Amra personal action it is then.
A good one may just solve a lot of those logistic issues we got concerning production but first geneseed.
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Zeitgeist Blue
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Could vote for my plan [ ] Plan Expanding Empire. It's got [ ] Genewrights x2 for that instant 100 Astartes and faster Astartes production, [ ] Mechanicus Expansion for an additional Stewardship AP we could use for more production on any of the Power Armour actions or the Lion Forge, and we're hoping to get Tilea, the Border Princes, and the Badlands for any extra mines the AdMech can get. More Stewardship!
Also getting Tilea and the Border Princes means more Astartes recruits, which also synergizes with the results of Genewrights.
Eh whatever I am not in a mood to do planning.
Actually your plan doesn't include any that would ameliorate the Empire's tensions just identify them.
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Zeitgeist Blue
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Yeah, tbh I'm not sure how Kabor could IC ameliorate the tensions over the noble houses wanting more autonomy. The ideal solution would be for him to do complex political plays where he exchanges more centralization for other things, but I'm not sure if he's gone local enough for that yet or if he has the ability to. Else if, we might just end up with civil war as the Astartes brute forces them to stand down.
We can just ask our GM.
@FractiousDay can actions with the witch hunters or knight orders cool down tensions?
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One thing we could towards defusing tensions do beyond turning the witch hunters into our police force might be to give the Knightly houses some imperial mounts from those gene vaults we have perhaps.
We could even give them beasts other than horses so they wouldn't need feel guilty for looking them in the mouth ;-)
Sorry, for a second I forgot about Rule Of Cool/Magic Innit is probably at play, if the lizardmen can survive campaigns in Albion and Cold Ones can survive in northern Naggoroth than Hunting Lizards and Venumex's and Theratryx's and the like should not have to worry about hypothermia.
We could even offer explosive-tipped lances as the follow-up if they continue behaving like their fellow man isn't their main enemy.
I was about to propose electro whips in the same category but the wiki reminded my silly brain that those are not pieces of *imperial* wargear. Power Whips seem to get a brief mention, but if they actually exist I don't think we'd trust them with something that powerful ha.
EDIT: Unrelated but I really wish we had some means to negotiate with the Middenhiem Guild Of Magic other than through silenced firearms.
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Marines opinion makes it a no and Manfred's mole as the leader of the guild means an inevitable fight.
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I do not like begging, but I feel if I do not I will have in some sense not done all I could to support a great thing when I saw it, not been willing to truly suffer for it as it were. So I do beg. This quest has been a very well-run ship who's lost much of it's crew to overly squeeze a metaphor.
We are floundering a bit from lack of votes and perhaps from a lack of good write-in ideas.
Y'all have all voted before and some among you even proposed plans and not to my memory declared any desire to avoid the quest indefinitely, is there any chance you might have an opinion of these matters?
If not such is more than okay, though if you wish to pile scorn for being sent a message please keep it towards myself alone unless the thread you feel could benefit from it such as noting things that discouraged engagement.
Quest wise our currently vexing problems are:
Trying to keep Sigmars Empire from yet another civil war, or if impossible winning it quickly so that it can be colonized in the aftermath.
Trying to prevent a chapter extinction within less than a century. 30 + marines dead in less than a decade in game time is a nasty attrition rate for fellows that take a decade or so to become fully capable
Trying to prevent our polity from becoming feudal in itself tech/supply wise.
For those out of the loop
Currently the Imperium of Mallus controls* almost all the southlands at least in name barring the high elf colonies which are geographically equivalent to the cape, as well as Araby and Nehekara contiguously.
Outside that, most of Norsca, as well as solland(southern empire province) are under imperial control and one dwarven hold was disemboweled and filled with Mechanicus dudes.
Amra is some sort of energy being hiding under a shell of Artificer armor, Settra might be extra dead, Nagash is awake and has returned to Nagashizaar but is not being especially active yet....and who the hell knows what the skaven are doing but chances are high that it is malicous and will actively harm us when we eventually find out.
I do not like begging, but I feel if I do not I will have in some sense not done all I could to support a great thing when I saw it, not been willing to truly suffer for it as it were. So I do beg. This quest has been a very well-run ship who's lost much of it's crew to overly squeeze a metaphor.
We are floundering a bit from lack of votes and perhaps from a lack of good write-in ideas.
Y'all have all voted before and some among you even proposed plans and not to my memory declared any desire to avoid the quest indefinitely, is there any chance you might have an opinion of these matters?
If not such is more than okay, though if you wish to pile scorn for being sent a message please keep it towards myself alone unless the thread you feel could benefit from it such as noting things that discouraged engagement.
Quest wise our currently vexing problems are:
Trying to keep Sigmars Empire from yet another civil war, or if impossible winning it quickly so that it can be colonized in the aftermath.
Trying to prevent a chapter extinction within less than a century. 30 + marines dead in less than a decade in game time is a nasty attrition rate for fellows that take a decade or so to become fully capable
Trying to prevent our polity from becoming feudal in itself tech/supply wise.
For those out of the loop
Currently the Imperium of Mallus controls* almost all the southlands at least in name barring the high elf colonies which are geographically equivalent to the cape, as well as Araby and Nehekara contiguously.
Outside that, most of Norsca, as well as solland(southern empire province) are under imperial control and one dwarven hold was disemboweled and filled with Mechanicus dudes.
Amra is some sort of energy being hiding under a shell of Artificer armor, Settra might be extra dead, Nagash is awake and has returned to Nagashizaar but is not being especially active yet....and who the hell knows what the skaven are doing but chances are high that it is malicous and will actively harm us when we eventually find out.
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I'm just not the biggest 40k fan, nor do I really enjoy empire quests, so wandering off was pretty much inevitable.
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[X]Plan Militarum Morale
Sorry bro I'm a fan of FractiousDay quests but I couldn't get over the juxtaposition of 40k and fantasy.
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Yea while there are was you might soothe them, historically when centralisation has taken place there's been other stuff to offer. FOr example when the british aristocracy transformed from feudal lords into tenanted landlords and political figures. There's a constant struggle in feudal systems where every party is trying to accumulate as much power and security as possible. The problem here is that the Astartes gaining power inevitably means someone loses it, in this case the landed aristocracy, lower feudal lords, independant counts, and knightly orders. A peasant with a lasgun isn't as threatening to the churches as it is to highly trained knights in very shootable armour.
You could indeed take actions to resolve the issues. You'd have to be clear about your objectives etc and to some extent how you intend to go about it. I know no one is a diplomat etc so I don't expect details. 16 has mentioned basically bribing them. That could work temporarily but it wouldn't ameliorate their greivances.
I would say that while encouraging people is fine, ultimately if people don't want to participate that's up to them. It's certainly easier to write when there are interested participants, but I do want to be respectful of people who don't want to particuipate for whatever reason.
There is, to be fair, an inherant contradition between them somewhat. That's what I enjoy, I like poking at such things, but fair enough really.
Power weapons, including whips, do the whole matter disintergration thing or however they work. They do exist, but you're meaning basically a taser on a whip right? I imagine such a device is known of in the Imperium, among the Rough Riders for example. I also suspect the Metallican tech priests woudl have the ability to build them. Metallica is after all the electrican world, just like Ryza does plasma.
Ultimately it's a limitation of who you are. Your dilpomatic elements aren't strong enough or autonomous enough to do it, and all the Marines see is a gathering of rouge pyskers and witches. If you'd picked Inquisition at the start sure, but not here. It's really just that the marines wouldn't even think of that. Why would they even need to talk to them? From their perspective they wouldn't.
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I'm absolutely in love with this. This is an amazing short story and really shows the nobility of the Lions and introduces a very realistic traitor character to the Undead.
This is a big concern of mine. I would almost rather we let them sleep rather than wake them up and rattle them.
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What is marines relationship with Solkan worshippers?