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We actually do know of Nagash, though not the extent of his powers. Seems like we believe him to be a powerful sorcerer per this quote way back.

And at least for my plan, Amra is directly taking charge of tracking Nagash. I believe he'd have the most success being basically a Greater Daemon of the Emperor, or Living Saint. I don't think Nagash has the power yet to do anything pre-emptively if he notices Amra following. He just woke up and did that stunt with the Black Pyramid flying out. So we'll know where he goes and have the Peregrin up, which was taken as the martial supremacy over everyone option, and running by next Turn.

For Sigmar's Heirs, I took it for the synergy with Sigmarite Reforms. There're no bonuses in the rolls but it'd help narratively and when the QM makes decisions in how successful one action would be. I think gaining greater influence in the Empire's armed forces while reforming it sounds like they'd reinforce each other.

Lastly, the AdMech have their own contingent of forces iirc. They've just been doing their own thing in Arx Acheron and their own bases, being the weird isolationist priests they are. Exotic resources does mean we'd be able to build some crazy stuff as stated below. That's a lot of things to really secure our power if we can get those up and running.

You make a convincing argument and I believe that Amra would certainly be able to track Nagash. Still though that leads to a couple of questions. If they know of Nagash, they might know of his rivalry with Settra, and Settra was/is a magically supercharged being. This may put Amra in some kind of jeopardy, since he is still vulnerable to death as a living saint. That said even if he did locate Nagash what would be the play? Perhaps a quick strike force before Nagash raises legions of undead to counter us? That might work. What we don't have is the militia serfs up to expeditionar strength which may be the best defensive/offensive counter for an undead horde.

So I'm torn. Amra, as a space marine commander may feel a surgical strike will work the best, maybe even a solo move. That depends on where Nagash is. If he is IN the pyramid this may mean a life threatening solo battle to even get to him. If he is outside of it then this may be a wise choice. The gamer in me and knowing the lore better doesn't feel that this will be as easy a battle. Nagash is not a side character. He is easily the main villain of the next arc of this story.
 
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That said even if he did locate Nagash what would be the play?
One problem would be that assaulting Nagashizzar would probably necessitate a full Chapter deployment. Nagash has legions of skeletons etc, but he also has things like the Morghasts or probably a few undead dragons, not to mention any subordinates he's got lurking about.

I've done a quick count and you still have enough Thunderhawks to deploy the whole Chapter, but obviously there's a question of whether that's a sensible idea. If the Dark Elves can manage anti-air magical weaponry like they put on their Black Arks, I'm sure Nagash might have installed such a thing in his biggest fortress.

You only have enough Thunderhawks though because you're still pretty weak. You've got about 300 marines, and relatively few 'big things' like terminators.
 
One problem would be that assaulting Nagashizzar would probably necessitate a full Chapter deployment. Nagash has legions of skeletons etc, but he also has things like the Morghasts or probably a few undead dragons, not to mention any subordinates he's got lurking about.

I've done a quick count and you still have enough Thunderhawks to deploy the whole Chapter, but obviously there's a question of whether that's a sensible idea. If the Dark Elves can manage anti-air magical weaponry like they put on their Black Arks, I'm sure Nagash might have installed such a thing in his biggest fortress.

You only have enough Thunderhawks though because you're still pretty weak. You've got about 300 marines, and relatively few 'big things' like terminators.
That's why getting the Peregin up and running is a good OCP to introduce.
 
One problem would be that assaulting Nagashizzar would probably necessitate a full Chapter deployment. Nagash has legions of skeletons etc, but he also has things like the Morghasts or probably a few undead dragons, not to mention any subordinates he's got lurking about.

I've done a quick count and you still have enough Thunderhawks to deploy the whole Chapter, but obviously there's a question of whether that's a sensible idea. If the Dark Elves can manage anti-air magical weaponry like they put on their Black Arks, I'm sure Nagash might have installed such a thing in his biggest fortress.

You only have enough Thunderhawks though because you're still pretty weak. You've got about 300 marines, and relatively few 'big things' like terminators.

Thank you for this insight. This is why I feel a an assault on Nagash, or a risk of a pre emptive attack from him is a risky idea. The only forces I trust to take out Nagash are the titans but depending on where he is that may not be an acceptable deployment. Far better to fortify our position, deploy titans in a defensive formation around our main base, fortify serf forces and away his next move.

Also FD, can you please clarify how we should be making these decisions? i'm still not sure if we are more RP'ing which to me would be making lore accurate decisions and operating out of a fog of war or if we are truly playing the game with an overview of events that the game characters won't or can't possibly know about. If I'm overthinking things please let me know.
 
FD can you clarify what type of VLC the Peregrin is? There seems to be three types:
  • Mark I - Armed with Torpedo launchers, Macrocannons, and launch bays for attack craft.
  • Mark II - Armed with Lances, Macrocannons, and attack craft launch bays.
  • Mark III - Armed with a single Bombardment Cannon, Macrocannons, and attack craft launch bays.

Forgive me if this was mentioned earlier. Do we have to roll for the type? Also if we indeed need to modify it will we need to roll before we do that? If we do will that be a roll with terrible odds?

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Yes, I'm full support of getting it up and running.
I don't think a full ground invasion is necessary though. One well placed bomb to bring down the whole thing might be even better like in the Dark Crusade Necron Stronghold mission.

Nagash is one of those bosses that needs the chapter to be more full strength or closer to it.
 
Can you clarify if choosing synergistic choices improves roll odds/chances for a successful outcome? I'm not clear on how rolls work.
Forgot to answer this earlier. I'm fairly informal about rolls. Firstly, a roll is for whoever is taking the action. A roll for Amra vs Nagash would therefore be a roll for how well that battle goes. A low role is good for Nagash, a high roll is good for Amra. Comparably, if it was Nagash attacking then a high roll would be good for him instead.

Some rolls I do as duels, so there'll be a turn for X, then a turn for Y, until the rolls are bad enough in totality that I deem one party to have won.

For me this is very advantageous, because I don't really have to think about what actually happens sometimes. I just do the rolls, interpret them, then write in the actual action basically.

Sometimes I don't roll for things, or the rolls are constrained. For example, if something would be trivially easy, or basically impossible to fail, then a low roll wouldn't mean it's completely ineffective, it might just mean that the enemy got away, or that some other issue made it more difficult to do.

I generally see my job as the quest/game/dungeon master as one of arbitration. You choose stuff, I roll for that stuff to see what happens, then I interpret the results. The interpretation is the key part of it really.

On synergistic choices, I'm generally inclined to reward participation like that. If someone comes up with something cool then I'll usually throw it in maybe as a free action or similar, to reward it. On synergistic choices therefore yes, there is some element of narrative synergy there. If you did a load of Sigmar actions in a single turn then perhaps that would narratively synergise as the Lions starting some sort of conference rather than trying to do little individual actions in different areas. Alternatively, imagening that one action failed, perhaps narratively that would be ignored as the other one succeeded.

Forgive me if this was mentioned earlier. Do we have to roll for the type? Also if we indeed need to modify it will we need to roll before we do that? If we do will that be a roll with terrible odds?
As an example for this particular question, I think I said I'd roll for the type when you fix it. So if I rolled 3, it would be a Mk3. Subsequently you'd take actions to modify it if you want to. I wouldn't need to roll for those actions because the Admech and Techmarines are competent enough to do the work properly. Rolls simulate randomness and agency, where would either be in such a project? The Peregrin is small enough that's it's fairly easy to modify. If you were trying to build or modify a battleship then sure there would be rolls etc because maybe the machine spirit is sad or something.

i'm still not sure if we are more RP'ing which to me would be making lore accurate decisions and operating out of a fog of war or if we are truly playing the game with an overview of events that the game characters won't or can't possibly know about. If I'm overthinking things please let me know.
So I certainly wouldn't allow anyone to make an OC decision. For example, I don't really mind saying that Nagash is probably in Nagashizzar, because yknow that's where he lives. However, the Lions don't know that, so they wouldn't be able to bombard him from orbit until they actually know where he is, in character.

Similarly, the CL's don't know abotu the Skaven. As such, you wouldn't be able to do a write in actions to, for example 'explore reports of ratlike beastmen', because they have no reason to do that. Meanwhile the Skaven are stealing your stuff and coordinating action against you, but you don't know that yet in character. You couldn't say 'shoot a virus bomb at hell pit' because you don't know what or where that is yet.
 
So I certainly wouldn't allow anyone to make an OC decision. For example, I don't really mind saying that Nagash is probably in Nagashizzar, because yknow that's where he lives. However, the Lions don't know that, so they wouldn't be able to bombard him from orbit until they actually know where he is, in character.

Similarly, the CL's don't know abotu the Skaven. As such, you wouldn't be able to do a write in actions to, for example 'explore reports of ratlike beastmen', because they have no reason to do that. Meanwhile the Skaven are stealing your stuff and coordinating action against you, but you don't know that yet in character. You couldn't say 'shoot a virus bomb at hell pit' because you don't know what or where that is yet.

Thanks for the clarifications earlier. This will require a fine balance between making in character decisions with knowledge of this particular game scenario and lore that the characters don't know about. I'm glad you are keeping a rein on that sort of thing.
 
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    [X] Plan Supremacy and Influence
    - [X] Sigmar's Heirs: Pushing for greater control of the armed forces.
    - [X]Exotic Resources Extraction
    - [X] Repair The Peregrin
    - [X] Amputate the Amputari
    - [X] Sigmarite Reforms
    - [X] Veiling x2
    - [X] The Black Chamber
    - [X]Hunting Nagash
    [X]Plan Guarding In Place, looking towards Space
    - [X] Sigmar's Heirs
    - [X]Exotic Resources Extraction
    - [X] Repair The Peregrin
    - [X] Amputate the Amputari
    - [X] Sigmarite Reforms
    - [X] Veiling
    - [X] The Data Vaults
    - [X]Hunting Nagash
    - [X] Plan Dynamism 2 Elctropriest Hullabaloo!
    - [X] Southern Realms
    - [X] Strigos
    - [X]Genetic Restructuring
    - [X]Terraforming Survey
    - [X] Militia Liason
    - [X] Strike the Amputari
    - [X] The First Men
    - [X] Nehekaran Categorization
    [X] Strength through Fortification
    [X] Item Creation
    [X] Sigmar's Heirs
    [X]Exotic Resources Extraction
    [X] Repair The Peregrin
    [X] Amputate the Amputari
    [X] Sigmarite Reforms
    [X] Veiling
    [X] The Data Vaults
    [X]Black Chamber
    [X] Plan Dynamism 2 Elctropriest Hullabaloo!
    [X] Southern Realms
    [X] Strigos
    [X]Genetic Restructuring
    [X]Terraforming Survey
    [X] Militia Liason
    [X] Strike the Amputari
    [X] Hunting Nagash
    [X] The First Men
    [X] Nehekaran Categorization
    [X] Personal Attention, Strigos
    [X] PLAN NAME
 
So if veiling actually succeeds is there a chance we might have an option similar to 'a royal progress' again, for many imperials seeing their leader ''healed'' after his ''long ordeal'' might be encouraging I would think, and if not it might give him a new appreciation of just how far things have come?
 
@FractiousDay does void warfare tactics add to fighting underground?
They're somewhat different. While you're training your soldiers to fight in normal areas, the Pharosian Guard particularly are used to fighting in confined spaces, or in dangerous areas. This means they can adapt that training to fighting in space without gravity, underground without light, or even underwater and having to take on particular problems there. Comparably, if you deployed the Lion Guard they probably wouldn't do very well in such scenarios.

Rolls

Reasoning: Sigmar's Heirs and Sigmarite Reforms, Exotic Resources Extraction to Regularise Uplift (which will be chosen eventually), and the Black Chamber all help stregthen our influence over the Empire, create material and demographic supremacy, and ensure our spy network isn't a joke (and is very lethal) respectively.

- [X] Sigmar's Heirs: Pushing for greater control of the armed forces. Negociations, combined with advice, 6, reroll due to additional action, 6 again, that's quite unlikely but ok, extremely unsuccessful!
- [X]Exotic Resources Extraction, waking the nameless terror, 83, it's asleep still so that's good. Others? 18, Other are indeed aware
- [X] Repair The Peregrin Auto success, 89=Mk3, bombardment canon, macro batteries, launch bays
- [X] Amputate the Amputari 48 vs adapted beings, counterattack, 15, amputari significantly degraded. Still about though.
- [X] Sigmarite Reforms 77, successful, reforms achieved, lots of stuff done, nobility very upset. Inherant tensions of feudal system boiling over, not great.
- [X] Veiling x2, Success
- [X] The Black Chamber, also success
- [X]Hunting Nagash, 92, identified fairyl easily, Nagash response? 9, nah he's busy. Recon? 21, poorly, not much gathered.
FractiousDay threw 11 100-faced dice. Reason: D100s Total: 464
6 6 6 6 83 83 18 18 89 89 48 48 15 15 77 77 92 92 9 9 21 21
 
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- [X]Hunting Nagash, 92, identified fairyl easily, Nagash response? 9, nah he's busy. Recon? 21, poorly, not much gathered.
A bit good and a bit bad but no discovery. We got a location for more recon later.
- [X] Repair The Peregrin Auto success, 89=Mk3, bombardment canon, macro batteries, launch bays
Yipee. Most important is the orbital attacks from above.
- [X] Sigmar's Heirs: Pushing for greater control of the armed forces. Negociations, combined with advice, 6, reroll due to additional action, 6 again, that's quite unlikely but ok, extremely unsuccessful!
- [X]Exotic Resources Extraction, waking the nameless terror, 83, it's asleep still so that's good. Others? 18, Other are indeed aware
- [X] Sigmarite Reforms 77, successful, reforms achieved, lots of stuff done, nobility very upset. Inherant tensions of feudal system boiling over, not great.
Shit.
- [X] Amputate the Amputari 48 vs adapted beings, counterattack, 15, amputari significantly degraded. Still about though.
Fucking amputari just won't stay down.
- [X] Veiling x2, Success
Finally. Don't have to worry about this any more.
 
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Yeah, seems like a pretty alright to good Turn except for that double six. Dem's the breaks

Bet you we're this close to breaking the Empire into civil war again. This time nobles and the Ulricans banding together against Kabor and his allies.

So if veiling actually succeeds is there a chance we might have an option similar to 'a royal progress' again, for many imperials seeing their leader ''healed'' after his ''long ordeal'' might be encouraging I would think, and if not it might give him a new appreciation of just how far things have come?
Sounds like a good action, or if not then a write-in. Hopefully with Amra about again, more (diplomatic) action options open up.
 
Bet you we're this close to breaking the Empire into civil war again. This time nobles and the Ulricans banding together against Kabor and his allies.
Yeah. Once again it goes back to the rolls. Even if we chose the most sound plan it always depends if they roll in our favor and there are no unlimited reloads from a save file here.
Bet you we're this close to breaking the Empire into civil war again. This time nobles and the Ulricans banding together against Kabor and his allies.
Maybe thanks to the veiling Amra can lay out the conversion like he did in Norsca starting with curing the mutants.

Bring out your oppressed and the mutated mishappen souls cause Amra is ready for consultation.
 
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Prince of Black Wood
The Border Principalities were as always ever changing. Self declared petty princes and lords warring over land they will just as likely lose in the next season. So numerous were these warlords, gambling rings in the drunken taverns and coaching inns of the Border Princes would earn easy coin on whether the number of fledgling princes was greater or lower come the agreed upon time by the gambler.

T'was a petty realm belonging to one dubbed the black prince that would be one of the rare few that would remain untouched. Belonging to the mysterious figure called Gashnag, he would be lauded and lionised by bards and troubadours for his greatness especially the curse that made him elusive to his subjects.

Though with life such as it was in the border princes they were happy enough just paying their dues to their sovereign rather than worry about such inconsequential matters when rival princes who were planning to invade and sack their home ended up with their heads on spikes in the village square or rival towns had their livestock hunted by wolf packs.

Consequently this tiny kingdom saw new growth at the chance of peace and security despite the dreary atmosphere. So when strange sounds or light are seen or heard in their lord's castle that would soon receive visitors from the mysterious Golden Sons the onlookers would swear there was a ''golden metal box' spewing flames in the sky! Said box landed during the night with ear splitting noise inside the castle grounds to the south. From it came the Golden Sons said to be pivotal to reversing the Vampire Wars in the Empire's favor.

"I must say my esteemed lords, you sure do know how to make such an entrance." said the castellan as he led the Golden Giants into his lord's hall while the quiet ambiance of the castle would be filled by the stomping of armored boots forged among the stars.

The leading Golden Giant lead his fellow giants who marched behind silently nonchalantly replied, "The Sons of Dorn go where they're needed."

Marius had not much to say on that while noting the panoply of these giants especially their leader who had runes etched in his. Theirs clearly rivaled the armory of elves and dwarves and with the rumors he heard and what his master had to say about them, they were the new rising power. Will they spit on his hospitality when they know his true nature and lay waste to this hamlet?

Such was not his concern he thought as he opened the door to the main hall and let them into a room of fine banquet table laid out for a feast with expensive tableware, vintages, sweet meats and many other delicacies. He had a rather peaceful life managing a dreary castle with not much need for guards and he'd continue to do so until he nears the end of his life.

With a gesture towards the table he said "You may wait here my lord will see you soon, partake in the hospitality of my lord for food and drink has been provided but...." he gestured toward their armor, "I'm afraid with your current garments you would break the chairs as soon as you sit upon them."

Rather than taking offense, they all laughed boisterously as if it was a funny joke told during serious moments. Their leader most of all laughed in a way through his helmet that Marius could've sworn something more than human from his voice before gently patting the castellan on the shoulder and said "It is no matter castellan. We shall enjoy your lord's hospitality while standing. Tell him we are waiting for him."

Simply nodding, Marius sauntered away from the giants and left to inform his lord while the giants relaxed and enjoyed themselves in orderly fashion. Trading war stories while drinking and eating, it was only their leader and couple who didn't take off his helmet but joined in their conversation.

The door opened and the fireplace would flicker almost as if a dark presence emerged as the door creaked open fully to reveal a ragged slouching figure covered in tattered black robes with a human silver mask for a face with only the eye slits hinting something monstrous in this strange figure who proceeded to bow towards the giants in a bent manner. This was Gashnag the so called Black Prince. Their host had arrived.

"Welcome to my humble abode, esteemed guests I hope you found my hospitality satisfactory?" said Gashnag as he bent upwards with a gait and then walked closer to the giant's leader while his associates tensed at the appearance of their host but simply stared back as a cautious predator ready to pounce.

Examining them all it was their leader Gashnag looked at the most with a cursory gaze before saying with gasping breath "I heard a lot about you Golden Sons. They say a lot of things about you from the Empire and the Arabyans. Even in the frozen northlands of Norsca they talk of your deeds against enemies both foul, beastly and undead for none are your rivals." with a pause as he took a step back to gesture to the giants he continued on "And what shall I make of your appearance? Not quite any typical human clearly."

He took a step back with a finger covered in rags on his chin in contemplation "And yet some power has elevated you beyond what any sorcerer or so called gods have blessed their own followers with weapons and armor rivalling the dwarves or the elves." he took a step back in curiosity of his guests "But enough about your exploits and to the matter at hand." with a flourish he picked a seat amidst all the standing giants as if it was normal before steepling his garbed hands to his mask. The only hints to the seriousness of the situation seen through eyes in the slits of his mask that looked bestial.

The giant with a helmet like a skull was the first to speak with a gauntleted hand slamming onto the table close to Gashnag who didn't flinch but he instantly froze in response. "We know what you are vampire." growled Natohk. "If it wasn't for the chapter master and the curiosity of my brothers in your aid toward aiding the people of Strigos in reclaiming their lands from the greenskins, I would sooner see you dead and your subjects punished for consorting with a mutant." the hand retracted "Now say your piece to my brothers, why should we spare you and some of your kind from our coming rule?"

Gashnag raised his hands as if in surrender before standing up to remove his mask to reveal a bestial face that looked at the giants with a serious face. "All I ask is that you listen for it is a long tale about my kind especially those of us that are of the Strigoi. Follow me Sons of the Emperor." Gashnag pressed his hand on a switch hidden among a stone wall and it opened to a staircase downwards to unknown secrets ready to be unearthed as Gashnag grabbed a lantern and beckoned the giants to follow into a passageway that expanded into a chamber of peculiar collections of weapons and armor to tapestries and books in stands and display cases. Starting with an icon and numerous jars followed by a bronze khopesh many were familiar with as they fought them before on the sands of Nehekhera against the heretic Settra. "It all started long ago from a civilisation of men great just as they are terrible in their deeds that those you fought as the tomb kings were then the priest kings but it was their fear of death from the strongest and greatest of them all the first priest king Settra that layed the seeds for our existence in the mortuary cult and the second son desiring the throne."

The giants followed behind and Gashnag continued to regale the history of the vampires as they silently listened beckoning to the various trinkets kept here to emphasise his story. Of the Nehekherans a once great human civilisation who begat the founder of necromancy Nagash responsible for much of the maladies that plagued the world besides chaos and the greenskins. From him were the first undead, second the vampires with their bloodlines when they stole the secrets of eternal life for their own in the city of Lamia and then the revival of the priest kings of old when Nagash's deal with the ratmen backfired with treachery and denial of his plans but left what was once a mighty and far flung stronghold to humanity despoiled and rotten.

"The tale you weave vampire is making the case against you. Heretics consorting themselves with forbidden sorcery spawning forth monstrosities does not do your kind any favors." Nahtok growled briefly interrupting Gashnag's story who could only smile sadly and reply "The folly of man is to delve into forbidden secrets we are not meant to know I agree and yet.... here we are you and I." Before he continued he tapped his own chest and then pointed to the giants "There is a markedly huge difference between our creation and yours. Your Emperor is a man of many talents in comparison to Nagash who never made us but as a consequence of nobility experimenting with the scraps of knowledge they can secrete away from his defeat. I know naught of your turning but you were one of them were you not before you were chosen?"

"You dare compare us to your predicament? I should ki--" Nahtok's anger was silenced with a hand raised from the leader who shook his head before turning to Gashnag.

"My brothers have been busy investigating your kind. Causing trouble wherever they appear especially Mannfred and his ilk in Sylvania against the Empire. The witchhunters and your kind's victims have much to say about you and yet...." The leader glowed bright and his armor transformed into a golden and shining figure with wings. Gashnag screamed, crashing and scattering priceless museum pieces as he crawled away from Amra in abject agony from the proximity to what his being deemed to be part of the divine almost as if it knew something that frightened his very being.

"Your intentions in submitting to our will is sincere." Amra's voice boomed as he said it while not taking a step further while watching the vampire squirm as far away from him while covering himself with a cloak to shroud his body from the radiance of Amra. "With my powers I can see into you Gashnag. You have cruelty in you that you reserve for your enemies even as you reserve compassion and generosity to your subjects corrupted as you are by your condition...." the light from this golden being focused onto Gashnag who continued to scream and writhe in agony despite no effect of smoke or heat on his person.

"Answer me truthfully Gashnag and I shall consider your submission. What do you think of the ruinous powers?" the voice echoed as a chorus inquisitively while the light dimmed so as to give the questioner a brief moment of respite who croaked out their reply. "An enemy of us all my lords! We may have left our mortality behind but it is precisely because of our existence that offends them for being unchanging just as much as our own arrogance and decadent pursuits proved our undoing!"

Mustering enough strength he continued to give one more statement to his submission he rasped, "It is why my founder is dead at the machinations of his bitch queen sister Nefereta! The dream of a kingdom free of petty squabbling and foolish politics while it's people do not need to fear us for we feed only on criminals and the kingdom's enemies! Now we are divided and scattered to the corners of the world mortal and vampire alike."

Despite the pain he weakly stood up to kneel shakily in fealty to Amra and said, "I have seen what you have wrought of your coming and recognise the coming of a new power that is yours from the stars and that is why I submit to your authority. What I know and possess will be yours to decide for the future because I know you will aid my people that was of Strigos more than I can. As for my kind if they will not submit I will gladly aid you in wiping out the other bloodlines for what they have done to mine but as for my kin ....." Gashnag could only sadly look at the stone floor before steeling his gaze at Amra who was curious about this vampire's reply. "I will do my best to convince them of the benefit of submission but if they are too degenerated in their ways to not submit than I will end them myself and release them from their madness."

"And Nagash? Would your aid us in his defeat?" asked Amra.

"Yes my lords. He too is a threat to us all brooking no challenger to his authority." replied the Black Prince.

At those words, the light from Amra receded and once more he transformed back into his armor with the wings gone receded into himself.

He held out a hand that Gashnag weakly took before being raised up and Amra gave his reply, "Your words are sincere. I accept your submission and we shall have arrangements for your integration into our ranks as your existence demands safeguards and conditions but first for the rewards of your submission...." Amra turned to a white armored giant. "Do you wish to test that hypothesis of yours Thalis? It may aid in your research."

With a nod Thalis brought out a peculiar instrument to stab his own arm through an opening in his armor before taking a goblet from the table that he proceeded to fill it to the brim with his precious life blood changed and altered by forces beyond human understanding.

The aroma of such a specimen caused Gashnag's mouth to ache eager to satisfy his hunger already weakened by proximity to Amra's surprise who led his weakened body unable to walk to the waiting hands of Thalis holding out the goblet.

His grasp weakening on the goblet he tipped it's contents hungrily into his eager maw in one gulp curious as to what the essence of these giants would do to his already wretched form.

For a moment nothing happened but he dropped the goblet and immediately crashed onto the floor writhing in agony as he screamed with open fangs a pain he never felt in his immortal life. With both hands he grasped his own throat coughing and sputtering while bestial eyes and veins on his twitching body bulged from the infusion of astartes blood mixing with his own changed by Vorag Bloodytooth whose blood that changed him was in turn changed by Ushoran.

"Auaaarhhh!"

The commingling of such heritages forced a chain reaction in all the cells of his body and something deeper in his being. What was seconds became minutes to hours, days and years under the pain and in that delirium Gashnag as his eyes rolled upwards he experienced fragments of visions only Amra could view with his telepathy like an open book.

Because they were underground none heard him but his guests who observed his pain silently as they had different opinions on this approved experiment by the chapter master despite some misgivings towards allowing under their classification an abhuman.

Said abhuman from records and accounts of the original vampires was altered from the baseline human through sorcerous alchemic means with the elixir of life a cruder way to to extend one's lifespan without access to rejuvenat albeit not of Chaos despite further scrutiny while they procreate through an exchange in blood with the intended initiate.

To Thalis and Hath-Horeb, it was an experiment of biology or the warp. The secrets of Mallus held secrets in both genetics and psychic phenomena and who better to test their thesis on a willing abhuman willing to embrace the Imperial Truth?

Nahtok the Deathspeaker was as usual the most opposed among them but conceded upon Amra's final say whose powers in his new form can ascertain whether this vampire will be found wanting and in doing so be considered worthy to consume the blood of their battle brother and Dorn's genetic heritage.

Amra in his new form had the most insight into seeing the changes of Gashnag's form in body and soul. Through his brief bouts with the undead and the vampires that were no match to his power he easily ascertained their very being with his divinely blessed sight.

This world as Hath-Horeb hypothesized, restricts and magnifies etheryic energies and in doing so it's effects manifest themselves especially so for those that become exposed to them enough to manifest it's properties. Despite their rotting and decaying nature it was not of chaos in the end.

The followers relying on that energy to despoil a people and it's land were no better than reckless purveyors in experimentation on atomics and outlawed genetic splicing.

It was his own telepathy into Gashnag that proved most illuminating as to the metamorphosis process. Broken visions and images bloomed and died and in them he could interpret them. The life of Gashnag's mortal and immortal life was to be expected.

Pain especially in a moment where one's life is in a possibility of running it's course will force the one dying to relive past memories at once but it was as he focused deeper he saw something more surprising.

Images of planets and ships he has been to serving the chapter that it dawned on him he was viewing some of Thalis's memories but of the others he doesn't recognise but does see memories that include fighting marines in boarding action.

He realised it was a memory from the Horus Heresy to the bisecting of the skull of a powerful Alpha Legion figuring wielding an esoteric looking spear and bearing artificer armor in sinister and baroque styled scales gave even Amra changed as he was pause enough to gasp and break emotion such that his form once again was released to radiate light in the dark room.

"By the Emperor!" proclaimed Amra which surprised everyone as he rushed to Gashnag's side and held his twitching hands. "Through the consumption of brother Thalis's blood he can see the memories of our brother and his predecessors." He put a hand on his forehead. "I even saw Dorn slay the traitor Alpharius with Storm's Teeth and...." with a pause he concentrated with both hands on his forehead in an attempt to calm him and peer closer before turning to his brothers to speak, "I see Dorn dueling the traitor Fulgrim in his human form on the grounds of Holy Terra at the Saturnine Wall before he turns into a daemon!"

All at once at the news, the marines stoic broke ranks to surround Amra tending to Gashnag still unconscionably twitching frantically in reaction to imbibing such a potent source of life blood.

"What did he see brother?"

"He can see not only our brothers but also our primarch? How?"

"What did the traitor primarchs look like brother!"

"ENOUGH!"

Nahtok the Deathspeaker once again became the voice of reason as he pushed in and shoved his brothers away from Amra with a scathing lecture, "You act like children when this abhuman sees visions of not only our brothers but our primarch Dorn himself! We will get more answers from him provided he survives this.... impromptu initiation." turning to Amra he asked, "Will he survive chapter master?"

Amra was unsure while he stared at the pained face of Gashnag still writhing in agony under his arms. The radiance dimmed as it reflected the chapter master's uncertainty who gave his response, "The etheryic energy used in his transformation from his mortal life is rejecting the properties of the Emperor's creation he may not survive the imbalances afflicting his vessel." Uttering that the room started to brighten as he turned his head back to Nahtok.

"With my connection to the emperor I can use my presence to bind him just as I would the psykers of this world with your blessing."

The skull faced helmet simply nodded before saying,"Do it then. The Emperor's light will be his crucible."

In acknowledgement Amra focused his attention on Gashnag and the room brightened so that even the marines who wore helmets couldn't see while their visors auto adjusted to the sudden light as they listened to the screams reach fever pitch.

That was then they saw.

What was once a wretched and bent bestial body began to transform. Claws on hands and foot receded just as the spikes on his back did and his mouth that elongated more like a wolf shrank along with his fangs. His muscled body with it's unnatural paleness once more showed brief signs of life while his ears that were shaped like a bat warped to that of an abhuman elf.

It was quite a sight especially for Thalis and Hath-Horeb to witness such a change.

And then it ended and so did the screams.

What appeared before them was no longer some bestial looking abhuman but something more human. Quiet and unconscious. Gashnag would soon after be swiftly awoken and inducted into the Celestial Lions as a serf of special status for the blood of their primarch that now flows with his veins thus requiring an initiation into the chapter especially for the visions and memories he experienced of their battle brothers and primarch himself. Serfs like him would eventually increase once Thalis worked together with Gashnag to unlock the secrets of vampirism.

Later the reveal of the Black Prince showing himself to his subjects only served to raise the prestige of these Golden Sons and more converts to the true Emperor for as their liege described them as responsible for breaking the "curse" he had.

Unbeknownst to only a few he would lead them to Sylvania in Hunger Wood a dangerous spirit infested maze of briars and bogs where they would learn more of the vampire abhumans that is to be accounted for in achieving compliance for the world of Mallus. Suffice to say Akhana the Hag was all too willing to embrace the Emperor's Light and in doing so revive the long dead kingdom of Strigos while providing secrets of the other vampiric bloodlines leading toward their demise or capitulation towards their rulers from the stars.
 
So some things I really liked that I want to both make public and and also some hadn't mentioned before. The modification of the Narthecium to carry and release blood, probably a fairly easy modification given it wouuld be simplifying the design. Very cool idea.
I really liked Nahtohs skepticism, felt very fitting.
I recall you also asked how undead such beings should be so transformed if at all even in the hypothetical, my thinking is that most likely if the process was seen as covering or at least mostly ameliorating the faults in Neferatas guesswork at Nagashes elixer, not at all they wouldn't likely even be immortal anymore just not aging and strengthened physically or at least aging so slowly that no one would notice it.

Afterall nagash himself and those very close to him who had imbibed did get killed by things like the fellbalde..or by just by dehydration(lol) then becoming a liche then a second time before meeting sigmar by the fellblade if you trust Josh Renolds MOTD on the this but I think that book is a little bit silly. The creation of *sentiant* undead was never something he initially planned or intended to my understanding.

Really with more time and different ambitons he probably could have known enough have been onto something like Astartes eventually I think. If he hadn't been stupid with the Skaven he might have more than enough time.
For some reason ''what did the traitor Primarchs look like'' made me chuckle as a question, it does sound like one of those few things that would leave a space marine feeling over excited and confused.

Overall thank you very much for the short fancfic :)


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On a more general note, related more to this thread's main plot, I was going through wiki entries on our favorite Skelepope and I am extremely confused about how big he is or not, physically, while he was alive he obviously was not superhuman in height or width and once he became a god his size was irrelevant.
In between when he was incarnated though and..like how big is he now?


Depictions of him fighting sigmar make him look only like eight or maybe 8.5 foot but for some reason i'm also seeing him described as having grown to 15 ft tall over an a long span through constant warpstone exposure?
That hyperbolic description was published way back in 4th edition tho...

Also how fleshy is he when undead? Sometimes he looks so revitalized you can barely tell he's undead other times, scraps other times bare bones.
This seems like one of those things GW went back and forth on plenty and it is leaving my brain very puzzled.

(Reads some more through more sources...)
Okay I think Extra Big Boi mode Great Necromancer might have just been an End Times result of swallowing the God of Death, Usurian, which...maybe might be hopefully be harder for him to do in this timeline?

Wait Nagash was reborn like four times? What. I thought it was three Oh the one in the 1600's doesnt count? Or does it Just how many bits about him changed over time(barring his personality) via in universe magical fuckery and out of universe writing squabble?
Oh right how did I forget, consitency truth and canon are all completely fungible concepts as it comes to all the Warhammers, so what I should do is wait for this quests depection of him to come to light because obviously Fractious does indeed seem to have more a decent amount of leeway with interpreting nagash even outside of being the writer in the conventional sense.

I mean he's not going to be able to plausibly claim ''Nagash was a gentle little boy who never met Arhkan and had is haunted about having to kill some very mean elves who wanted to hex him for no reason other than spite'' but practically anything outside of that sphere seems reasonable I'm now thinking.
Sorry I regret spending the last couple hours trying to figure out on my own what Naggy's dimensions and abilities were throught the course o his character ??ark?? because the answer probably boils down to ''as needed per tale". :-(


EDIT: I think in the last two editions + Endtimes and 4E and all that the whole is he ''fleshy or skeleton?" thing is meant to be made more coherent?
It seems maybe around the 2010's ...around then the writers came to the idea which I essentially read as such: Each time he reincarnated he ultimately regained less biomass because of the influence of the Fellblade.
 
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Turn 15 Results (2128 IC)
Turn 15 Results (2128 IC)

Black Nassor hauled himself over the final ledge, then up onto a windswept plateau.

The clouds drifted all about him and he stepped through little bushes of hardy grasses and thorny trees. They tugged at his robes, but when they struck skin his transhuman form turned them aside easily.

He felt the heat before he saw it, before he saw the beast looming out of the clouds. A noble aquiline head, feathers of tawny gold and a black beak with intelligent eyes over it.

"He smells blood on you, brother. Did you encounter difficulty on the way up?"

Nassor turned, and from the clouds walked Kabor Brighthand, his brother-captain and Master of the Marches.

"Some raging beast, it stuck me with a stinger which was distinctly unpleasant, but I crushed it's neck in a contest." Nassor shrugged, motioning with his hand to the ragged hole in his robes. "You test your company well, if this is what you make they try. The climb was almost challenging!"

He had come to visit the 8th Company, driven largely by sentimentality, but also by a desire to understand how the 'Heralds', as they were called, were operating.

They'd been deployed for a decade or more in Sigmar's Empire, and though trust was strong within the Chapter, the Deathspeakers had requested he make an assessment of their activities, which Nassor was happy to do so.

"A manticore, I judge." Kabor said, "They're a challenge for the Scouts. Apparently some of the Abhumans ride them sometimes, but I've been considering a cull, Antorax has a taste for them." Kabor slapped his mount's flank, "Though he is a greedy beast, and gorges himself."

Nassor nodded, it seemed Kabor at least remembered the origins of the Chapter, if he'd named his creature after one of the ancient Battle Barges of the Imperial Fists. Still though, it was unusual for an Astartes to form such a connection with an animal, save for perhaps those of the Space Wolves.

"What news then? I have less good news, and I would hear yours first." Kabor asked. The clouds had cleared somewhat and Nassor could look out of the territory of Solland, the capital of that province far below. Once white walls were now blacked with soot and fume, the result of the new forges and foundries that ringed the city, while Nassor could see alien architecture, square towers taller than many churches to house the new population of industrial workers.

He approved. Though primitive, it was starting to resemble any city you might see on an Imperial world, and the influence, if not the proper adherence to the Standard Template Construct was clear in some of the designs. No doubt Kabor had given them direction, if not supervised the construction himself.

Nassor thought for a moment. Kabor had been isolating himself. He had a Librarian, and they were in communication with Librarius at Atakora, but Kabor seemed to want to test his Company away from friendly territory and supply. That was his right as a Warleader of course, and all the Companies acted slightly differently.

"The Mechanicus are spreading north, up through the mountains." he began, narrating the expansion into the Sour Sea. It was a dreadful place, hostile to human life, wrought with sulphurous craters and deep ravines, and the body of water itself was salty to the extreme, only strange gelatinous creatures pulling themselves through it's thick foamy shores. "There is talk of adapting the native elements to our manufacture, of making power armour from Gromril rather than ceramite. Apparently there are some advantages that the Techpriests are interested in."

"That sounds well, the Dawi have made wonders with it certainly." Kabor said, patting the sword at his side, "My glade is Gromril, enchanted with their runes, and it cuts anything I've put it to."

"The Peregrin is repaired, and up." That had been more notable, but strangely, when Nassor watched the cruiser rise from the Plain of Tuskers, he'd felt less than he thought he might. In the end it was just a ship after all. The Serfs had been happy though, they'd celebrated for days after, and the golden ship had been seen for miles around, one more of the Chariots of the Gods, or so the locals thought. "It's a Mark III, suited for planetary assault and bombardment, I think we shall be glad of it eventually."

Kabor nodded, "Though I wager our supply of munitions will be less than secure, at least in the short term. I know Khotan maintains Exterminatus-grade weaponry, but simple plasma bombs will be just as difficult to produce for the moment. Would that we had the fire of Bellona to rely on."

Forge World Bellona had serviced the Chapters of the Adeptus Vaelarii in the years prior to the Celestial Lions' flight from their former homeworld, the hounds of the Inquisition nipping at their heels. It was considered bad fortune to refer to anything that had come before their arrival on Mallus, and indeed, the Deathspeakers had taken steps to erase or conceal the Chapter's history from the new recruits. The Lions had broken solemn oaths of service and protection to the people of Elara's Veil, and no one was inclined to remember those oaths, or the shame of their betrayal.

"Tuthmes proposes to reform a Company, the 7th, as I understand, a light reserve able to conduct landings and deep strikes." Nassor continued.

"It may be wise, but Tuthmes is Master of the Fleet and would be the one to lead, surely?"

Nassor shook his head. "We are barely three hundred. I disapprove of this business of maintaining many demi-companies rather than proper forces. Very well, we must engage with the World around us, but in sending out twenty or thirty brothers we throttle our own strength. In any case, Tuthmes has detached a squad to man the Peregrin."

"I think there is risk too," Kabor replied, "But we have little other option. The advantages of tactical prioritisation, of concentration of specialist force, are clear. Or would you not say the Selous' Hunters have been effective, despite being only two squads strong?"

Nassor said nothing.

"There are other measures though I understand?" Kabor hinted.

Nassor nodded, but refused the goad. The Master of the Watch now commanded the Black Chamber, a squad of ten armed with silenced weapons and tools of sabotage. Where overwhelming force would always carry the day, it was becoming too costly to use in some cases.

"They will be useful in your affairs, or so I gather?" Nassor returned, and now Kabor's look turned sour.

"If the Pridelord approves I would call on your Chamber to destroy the Guild of Magic in Middenheim. I can marshal the Sigmarites against the Ulricans, that is easy enough, but it would tear this Empire apart and leave them free for xenos and heretics to tear at the wounds. I cannot march into Middenland, and Talabecland is turning against us too. With your aid we can sabotage their efforts, make it seem that the Guild has assassinated the Graf of Middenheim, or something similar. You have chem weapons? Perhaps frenzon? We need only make the Guild seem unreliable and the Empire will turn on them! Poison them or create some other damage, and these rouge psykers will be forced to defend themselves against their allies."

Nassor nodded. This was after all the exact reason he had pushed for the Black Chamber to be created. Space Marines did not naturally fit into the role of assassins, but on Mallus it was necessary to be more subtle. The Middenheim Guild of Magic couldn't be assaulted without turning the Empire against the Chapter, so instead assassination or sabotage might be used. If a poisonous cloud rose from the Guildhall, or a conflagration that set the city on fire, who was to say it wasn't the heretic wizards who had caused it?

"I would hear more of your troubles first. We cannot act precipitously."

Kabor frowned again.

"It began with the Diet." he started. "I was appointed Reiksmarshall several years ago, and technically I hold authority over the Empire's armies, but I fear I've overstepped. The Empire's forces are a patchwork of Frateris Militias, knightly orders, professional state troops, and then mercenaries. My authority in truth though is as much as they give me, and the politics of the situation have always been difficult. I led their forces against the Vampires, I was victorious, that gained me their respect, but I think I've lost that now. A setback…" Kabor sighed, "But not a fatal one. Not if I don't let it be."

"The Missonia Galaxia teach that there are two ways to take a planet by conversion, from above, through nobles and established power structures, or from below by popular pressure and eventually revolution, I suppose you now turn to the later?"

"You have the right of it." Kabor admitted, "I pushed too fast and too hard, I managed to insult the knightly orders, disturb the burgomasters, and alarm the Cults when I tried to centralise the armed forces. I wanted them to be better equipped to face foes without my input, but I think it will require greater oversight, perhaps Astartes advisors in each province, I'm not sure. In any case, the feudal system in this polity is delicate and I've been on the verge of upsetting it completely. The Emperor, the Sigmarite one that is, is very weak, wounded supposedly and constantly unwell. I've not felt the need to question that, but so far it's worked in our favour. Now though the other Elector Counts see me as an extension of centralised power, a military threat, rather than an asset."

'We are a threat.' thought Nassor, but said nothing. Kabor had championed the Sigmarite cause in the councils of the Space Marines, and he had no wish to alienate his brother.

"I've managed to establish agreed standards of training, equipment, superior logistical systems and tactical coherency among the state troops, as well as bringing the mercenaries under my hand, more or less, but in doing so I've largely lost the Ulricans, and I've burned bridges with the knightly orders. That loses the heavy cavalry, the striking arm of the Empire, but it also alienates the nobles. I've elevated commoners and foreigners to high office in my mortal serfs, and the nobles hate that."

"Let them." Nassor shrugged, "Let them face the Amputari with lance and horse."

Indeed there had been an argument to drive the Amputari out of the World's Edge Mountains and into the Empire to force another situation the Lions could take advantage of, but Kabor had vetoed it.

The Amputari were a strange foe indeed, and Nassor let his mind wander as the two Captains looked out across Solland.

The Flesh-that-Hates, the original Nuglite psy-weapon of mutated organic matter that had engulfed much of the northern regions of the world, was now gone. It had turned on its master and then consumed itself. However, the Flesh was incredibly adaptable. Toward the end it had combatted it's foes with large mutant creatures, intentionally split off from the main mass and adapted to particular qualities. These were the 'Amputated', or the Amputari. They bred like enormous single-cell organisms, splitting apart to form two of themselves, or when two divergent forms met, forming into one mass, then splitting again each sharing their mutated genetics with the other. They'd taken on the genetics of everything the Flesh-that-Hates had consumed, from humans to trolls to base animals, to more exotic creatures. Some of the Amputari flew, other burrowed through the earth, some struck with acid sprays or breathed poison mist, while more had rending claws or bio-pneumatic spikes to pierce armour.

The Amputari had been growing in the north of the world for several years, exceptionally difficult to root out. They were intelligent, not tool using, but once they'd realised the Thunderhawks were using auspex sensoriums to detect them a wave of change went through the population and within weeks the whole mutated host were using various methods of camouflage, or turning their bodies cold to avoid being detected by heat. The Chapter had never fought such a foe, but in the last year three companies were deployed, to little result. Yes they culled the largest or slowest forms, but the rest skittered off into tunnels and burrows, and Nassor's company had to burn them out with melta charges. The Amputari had been significantly degraded, but they were a clever foe, and he was sure they'd be back there again in a decade to see to them.

There were other matters, but Nassor would not speak of them here. True, they were standing on top of a mountain and it was unlikely they were observed, and besides that no one on Mallus spoke the Elysium battle-cant, but still he was reluctant.

Firstly, Amra had finally been Veiled. The specialists of the Chapter had built him a suit of magnificent armour, double layered and made from the remnants of damaged Terminator armour. Amra's terrible form was now veiled within a suit of golden plates, interlocking with each inscribed in hexegrammic seals. He resembled an enormous golden man, eight feet tall with gems for eyes and sculpted muscles. It was magnificent indeed, and had been combined with an oversuit, some of it designed by Amra himself following divine revelation, and composing a magnificent work of Artificier Armour, the likes of which Nassor thought would be worthy of First Founding Chapters or Inquisitor Lords. He had walked abroad in the last year, only in Atakora or Pharos, but where he went the serfs fell to their knees with tears in their eyes, thankful that their King had been restored from the supposed wounds he'd taken in battle.

The second matter though was more grave, and it was well their Chapter Master had been strengthened now, for they had discovered the location of the Black Pyramid of Nagash. By study of certain ancient scrolls and interpretation of the Emperor's Tarot, as well as the kine-senses of the Librarius, they had tracked the Pyramid to Nagashizzar, the dark fortress of the ancient Necromancer, deep in the Broken Teeth Mountains. The Pyramid hung in the air, dark energies issues from it upon the winds, and even the crew of the thunderhawk felt a shadow pass over their souls as they saw it.





Sigmar's Empire military improved, but improvements have agitated the feudal arrangements within that territory.
Peregrin now operational: Peregrin, MkIII Vanguard Light Cruiser, armed with a Bombardment Cannon, Macrocannon batteries, and voidcraft Launch Bays. 10 Marines, 1 Chaplain, Epistolary Kaelar, 4 Techmarines attatched. Loaded with:
○ 4 Thunderhawks
○ 4 Thunderhawk Transports
○ 8 Fury Interceptors
○ 6 Starhawk Bombers
Amputari significantly degraded, 7 Marines lost.
Veiling successful
Black Chamber operational: The Black Chamber, 10 Veterans equipped with Mk VI Corvus Armour and specialist weapons enabling them to be more stealthy than usual Astartes deployments.
Nagash's Black Pyramid located at Nagashizzar (somewhat unsurprisingly given that's where he lives)
 
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Firstly, Amra had finally been Veiled. The specialists of the Chapter had built him a suit of magnificent armour, double layered and made from the remnants of damaged Terminator armour. Amra's terrible form was now veiled within a suit of golden plates, interlocking with each inscribed in hexegrammic seals. He resembled an enormous golden man, eight feet tall with gems for eyes and sculpted muscles. It was magnificent indeed, and had been combined with an oversuit, some of it designed by Amra himself following divine revelation, and composing a magnificent work of Artificier Armour, the likes of which Nassor thought would be worthy of First Founding Chapters or Inquisitor Lords. He had walked abroad in the last year, only in Atakora or Pharos, but where he went the serfs fell to their knees with tears in their eyes, thankful that their King had been restored
So golden and..... fabulous?


View: https://youtu.be/I9n6iMeIW8A

He's now as gilded as Balthazar Gelt.
 
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