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[X] Plan: A Question of Honour.
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[X] Plan: A Question of Honour.
I agree. Either plan has us confronting Rosmalen in public, presumably about his treachery. We are committed to confronting him with either plan.
My plan is about stripping his mercenary advantage from him. We rally the militia and march them up to the keep with us, where we will have Herminia ready to support us. This way, we'll have 100-something pissed off fighters to make Rosmalen's mercs think twice about interfering with the duel. And because Tilea has a strong duel culture, Rosmalen will lose a lot of face if he loses or dodges the fight.
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The problem is that it's not treachery as blatant as Herminia's and at the end of the day his trained and well armed troops can do a lot more damage than 100 untrained spearmen with pitchforks.
Rosmalen also can just tell us to go fuck ourselves, you're betting on the honor of a mercenary in the Boarder Princes who not hours ago acted treacherously.
Also remember that these people hate us and wouldn't work with us without the threat of death. There won't be parlay with these folks.
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I don't agree. His treachery is plain to see because his men didn't participate in the defense. On the contrary, they stayed comfortable in the keep, while the militia fought and died. This is why I have a write-in to rile up the rallied militia and aim their anger at Rosmalen.
And I don't count on his personal honor, but on his performative honor. What I do count on is that he will want to save face after we expose him in front of all the fighting men of this garrison. He could back down, or tell us to fuck off, sure. But that would make him the man who walked away from the Norscan who won the battle. Everyone would know it: his men, the rest of the council, even the Prince (once he wakes up).
I am counting that, once we throw down that corpse at his feet and name him a coward, Rosmalen won't have a choice but to fight us. And then he's fighting a 17 Martial Norscan who gets a free combat re-roll.
We can take him. In a fight, I mean.
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@minyettethe dead are still a problem? We didn't get rid of the issue this fight did we?
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Of the dead you know about, there is still the dead dogs in the southern fields. You are also very confident that what ever was driving the undead, is still out there. Already reports of Rotters shambling in the north east have trickled in from the walls.
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Regardless of what Rosmalen has done we still need him. It's all good to walk in dick first and denounce him in front of his troops, but he's in charge of and has the loyalty of the only professional troops we have. And he knows this, without him we don't have anything that can stand against the dead. Even if we get 100 people to back us we saw how 500 some did. We still need him and he knows it.
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@baltika I gotta ask: what do you think 100 peasants are going to do in the face of trained troops?
i mean, why would he want to save face? His men aren't going to care and even if the militia hate him they aren't going to risk their lives after what they just went through and even if they did they'd break long before they could kill enough of the mercenaries to matter. And even then its not like reputation matters all that much in the borderlands and it seems that Rosmalen is gunning to become prince himself where his reputation is going to matter even less, why would he risk us killing him when he could just.. not do that?
Then Rosmalen is even more dangerous. He already put us in a position of certain death once. We cannot trust him to have our back as things stand - on this, both plans agree, since both confront him in front of the council.
A few things.
As the update states, they give us clout and a power base so Rosmalen cannot dismiss us out of hand.
They serve as witnesses of Rosmalen's retreat or loss.
They reinforce the show of force we're putting up with the Horror's corpse. Asavar is not here alone, he's here as the champion of all the people - Izek's people - that Rosmalen fucked over.
And when those 49 mercs size up the crowd, and size up Asavar, my idea is that Rosmalen's troops think twice about trying to get that Employee of the Month award.
Reputation matters when you're trying to rule a city.
This duel, and saving face, will be important to Rosmalen if he wants to have more than his mercs to control this city. If he runs from us, if he ducks us in full view of the fighting public, then he won't have any ability to control this city with his 49 men. Because everyone in the city would know him to be spineless.
And if you are one of those 49 men, then you personally might have some issues with this situation. So your boss' personal honor may not be important to you, but his clout very much will be.
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You're also escilating the issue during a time of crisis. You're casting the die while there are still monsters in the dark. There will be no going back, this will force his hand and escalate to violence. If we win we will have to kill him and his troops, the troops we need, are loyal to him enough to follow him to this shithole. That's not something that a lost duel or cowardice will see cast aside. Your plan helps no one and accomplishes nothing except self destructive pageantry and righteous that is entirely unappreciated in the cutthroat land we are in.
My worry is if we just go and challenge hike that he'll just get his men to kill us, or at the very least rig it in his favour as much as possible if he somehow does accept.
I mean, it really doesn't. The current prince got the city by buying it and then getting his new subjects to kill the former prince.
If honour mattered as much you say i think the people would've done a lot more to the current prince which they very much didn't or haven't and Rosmalen has his own support base with soldiers while the current prince had none, so they'll be even more discouraged to act.
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Well that's a bit extreme.
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Also true.
This isn't a land where "He's a traitorous bastard" is seen as anything other than "add him to the list". His actions aren't as clear cut as Herminia's are. And to top it off there's a difference between calling him out in front of the council and calling him out with a mob behind us and challenging him to a fight.
We don't have anything solid enough to come in swinging and I don't think people realize that.
That's an assumption about the mercs that may or may not be true. What I do know to be true, with near-certainty, is that Rosmalen already showed his hostile intent towards Asavar. And I also know that we didn't need his mercenaries in the night's fighting. They stayed in the castle and didn't suffer a single casualty.
And if they are fanatically loyal to Rosmalen - which I doubt, for they are mercenaries - then we are already in grave peril. Our best bet to live would then be to settle the issue here and now.
Which, again, both plans do, for both plans confront Rosmalen in front of the council. Mine is just more, ah, Norscan in its approach.
Anyway, we're going in circles at this point. All the arguments are on the table, so I'll let the voters decide.
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They've all shown hostile intent. His actions are not surprising, because the four of us are vying for power when Izek kicks it. If we're taking out people who have shown hostile intent than we may as well whip up a pogrom against all of them and be done with it. The issue is that WE STILL NEED TO WORK WITH HIM. We need his men even if we want to kill one another, you don't sink the ship just because you want another man dead.
These militia are not permanent, when the crisis is over they will go back to their farms or whatever they do when there's not a gun to their head forcing them to take up arms.
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Nah, cheeky run off vote.
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