Of Winding Ways and Cunning Devices

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[X] Make for Alode-joki where Rurick reigns, he is said to be a rich king by the standards of these lands at least (Modern day Ladoga). It's hard to tell how far the river road will take you without seeing it, but at the very least it should give you a chance to sell your wine to those with a taste for it

I am really not sure about supplies.
 
[X] Buy supplies for at least a month (Cost 30 Silver Trees)
[X] Make for Alode-joki where Rurick reigns, he is said to be a rich king by the standards of these lands at least (Modern day Ladoga). It's hard to tell how far the river road will take you without seeing it, but at the very least it should give you a chance to sell your wine to those with a taste for it
 
By the way, I accidentally stumbled on information about Russian disposable river ships named belyana. They were produced at the end of XIX-beginning of XX century.



They were used to timber rafting along Volga and Kama. In Astrkhan they were dismantled for raw materials. They could be up to 100 meters long with cargo capacity up to 10 thousand tonns.
Belyana was descendent of other river ship, nasada. Obviously, they were not such impressive, but the first mention of nasada in the chronicle was in 1050.
Daring Wanderer belongs to the other ship class, and it's more early times, but I suggest that information about such ships could be curious.
 
[X] Make for Alode-joki where Rurick reigns, he is said to be a rich king by the standards of these lands at least (Modern day Ladoga). It's hard to tell how far the river road will take you without seeing it, but at the very least it should give you a chance to sell your wine to those with a taste for it

[X] You'll get by with fishing
 
By the way, I accidentally stumbled on information about Russian disposable river ships named belyana. They were produced at the end of XIX-beginning of XX century.



They were used to timber rafting along Volga and Kama. In Astrkhan they were dismantled for raw materials. They could be up to 100 meters long with cargo capacity up to 10 thousand tonns.
Belyana was descendent of other river ship, nasada. Obviously, they were not such impressive, but the first mention of nasada in the chronicle was in 1050.
Daring Wanderer belongs to the other ship class, and it's more early times, but I suggest that information about such ships could be curious.

Still a far more reasonable form of temporary ships than when the British wanted to make carriers out of ice... which they made some worryingly large models of before the stopped. :V
 
Still a far more reasonable form of temporary ships than when the British wanted to make carriers out of ice... which they made some worryingly large models of before the stopped. :V
Heh there's a funny anecdote about a guy demonstrated pykrete to Churchill and Roosevelt and some other navy folks by shooting at a block of ice first then pyktete lol. And this was done in an enclosed room the bullet ricocheted and almost hit an Admiral lol
 
[X] You'll get by with fishing
[X] Make for Alode-joki where Rurick reigns, he is said to be a rich king by the standards of these lands at least (Modern day Ladoga). It's hard to tell how far the river road will take you without seeing it, but at the very least it should give you a chance to sell your wine to those with a taste for it
 
Ok, looks like we are going up the Neva

This might be a bit slow as updates go, I have a headache building, but nothing too bad, should be fine to write with
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Dec 7, 2022 at 10:56 AM, finished with 29 posts and 12 votes.

  • [X] Make for Alode-joki where Rurick reigns, he is said to be a rich king by the standards of these lands at least (Modern day Ladoga). It's hard to tell how far the river road will take you without seeing it, but at the very least it should give you a chance to sell your wine to those with a taste for it
    [X] You'll get by with fishing
    [X] Buy supplies for at least a month (Cost 30 Silver Trees)
    [X] Turn back west into the Baltic Sea to take the longer sea route into the land of the Romans, hugging the southern shore. If you can always trade or raid for supplies there.
    [X] Make for Alode-joki where Rurick reigns, he is said to be a rich king by the standards of these lands at least (Modern day Ladoga). It's hard to tell how far the river road will take you without seeing it, but at the very least it should give you a chance to sell your wine to those with a taste for it. But try to find where Liv hid the silver (and maybe give them back to her) before we leave the village.
 
Arc 1 Interlude 1: Hands Idle and Skilled
Hands Idle and Skilled

12th of May 867 A.D.

As the folk of Westernese judged years Surion was yet young, barely into his third decade, though some among his countrymen would call him overly hopeful to think that he would live the long years through, for though his father had been one of the Dunedain his mother had not been. The sailor's dusky skin and black eyes marked him as one who had the blood of far distant Harad born on the banks of the Green River which the Numanorians called Calenathrad though he had never seen the City of a Thousand Whispers, never sailed within a thousand leagues of its walls for he knew sure as sunrise that to get in sight of them would be death and he was no foam-ear. Surion did not know what the name of his father had been, nor the sign of his House all he knew that to even allow a half-blood to be born, a 'bastard who stole the blood of Numenor' had been against the law of the Viceroy of the South, much less to send him safely away to Numenor itself.

There were not many like him in the Great Island, officially of course there were none, but there were plenty of slaves from every realm of Arda and masters who would take from them whatever pleasures they desired. It made him sick sometimes to think that was the only reason why he was still alive, the only way he would have been hidden until he grew to manhood and went to see with whatever captain would take him, away from the eye of 'foster parents' who had always resented their duty to care for a bastard. Music offered a slender refuge, a world of tales from elder days, a world where his mind could fly like the wind for which he had been named.

Now it was all gone, the realm of Numenor and its high white walls, the City of Gold under the shadow of the holy mountain, all that remained a ragtag band of sailors under the command of a man they called sorcerer yet who was friend of elves, a sellsail and a cutthroat who nonetheless dealt with the people of this strange land with more honor worthy of one of the Faithful. Oh how the One loved to jest...

Specialist revealed: Surion the Twice Exiled, Aspiring Singer

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Zimrathon could feel the wind shifting in his bones, or if he was being honest more in his knees, they weren't what they had once been, he'd been sure that storm would be the end of him, but it had washed over them all like the snow on the mountains crashing over stones, polishing not breaking, that had been more than chance, it had to have been... it had to mean something. The piece of chew leaf in his hand crackled almost breaking. Careful, careful old boy that's the last of it, maybe the last of it in the whole wide world if the gull-gabber was accurate, it seemed as though Eru had a purpose for them in some new world... so of course He had set them on this new world together with forty of the kind of folk who thought listening to Morgoth's house boy was a good idea and if the rumor was further accurate Cap'ain Eriol even had the ear of high court functionaries with their hats like flower pots and their and their souls a salted field

Maker have mercy on all our souls.

Even as his throughs swirled like the dark waters that pass under the ship Zimrathon's hands moved with familiar skill, they knew the hilt of the parring knife and the grain of the wood. They had fine trees in thee forests if nothing else. Neither the old man nor any of the sailors rushing to and fro about him with the familiar rhythms of shipboard life thought to make much of the work of his hands, certainly it was the fruit of a life time's experience, but it was a lifetime spent in service of a humble trade, none would have thought to call him a master, save for the girl spending most of her time keeping out from underfoot and trying to learn the tongue of her mysterious traveling companions even as she taught them theirs. She would have called them thought them kin to the Svartalfar, but for the fact they were tall and seemed to love the sun

Specialist Reveled: Old Zimrathon, Master Carpenter

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Why and how the pack of small round-bodied seals had decided to follow the Daring Wanderer on her riverine wanderings none aboard could say, but most of the men took it in good cheer, some even called it a fair omen. It was all Gimlân could do not to punch them, the people that is not the seals. The poor beasts hadn't done anything wrong to become the newest 'sign' in a ship's company desperate for such things. After the storm everyone seemed to have some notion of how to 'appease the Valar' or pass unseen from their sight, as if the Dunedain had suddenly become ignorant savages who offered up men as blood sacrifice to the thrashing waters. Some even spoke of darker rites, though those had been swiftly silenced by more experienced hands. "Captain doesn't like to hear that from the likes of you, he'll do what needs to be done in his own time and none of yours."

Wark Wark, Wark

The nearest seal called out eyes dark and mysterious meeting the sailor's own.


Alright maybe it was their fault a little. "Shut yer damn mouth or I'll be feeding yer blubber into the oil burner." The ship did not have an oil burner of course, precious few ships did outside the Great Armament, but if anyone was going to be feeding annoying sea-beasts into an engine of any sort it would be Gimlân. He was... had been an engineer in the Royal Corps until one stupid drunken bet and the brawl that followed had ended it all. And now here he was a common seaman on a merchant ship in unfamiliar waters.

The seals for their part did not seem the least deterred

Specialist Revealed: Gimlân Deep Cup, Former Engineering Student

He did not have long to shout at the beasts though, land had been sighted and with it the 'city' where the girl had said it was. Soon enough they would be presenting themselves to whichever barbarian ruled these lands.

How do you present yourselves to Rurick of Alode-joki and what gifts do you bring?

[] Write in

OOC: I rolled up your specialists and decided to make this an interlude from their PoV to give you more of a feel for the crew. Hope you guys enjoy.
 
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Nice, looks like we got a nice mixture of specialist, language/culture and practical trades.
[X] Dressed in our finest outfits, atop steeds and swords at our sides. We shall bring gifts of wine, clothes, and instruments. Let the people of these lands know the splendor, friendship, and might of Numenor. It is with openness but prideful dignity that we shall present ourselves (Bring our singing specialist and Liv)

So yeah all who can ride horses should get decked out and make a big impression. The cloths, wine, and instruments gifts should make it clear we are people of culture and wealth. And our men being the size that they are, all with sword (or whatever it is they carry) and horses should also make it clear we are a people of great prowess. Liv to translate and our new singer to share our songs and play instruments.
 
[X] Dressed in our finest outfits with a few companions. We present ourselves as interesting foreign merchants. We shall bring gifts of wine, clothes, and instruments, just enough to wet appetites for more. It is with humbleness and friendlyness that we present ourselves. (Bring our singing specialist and Liv)

Excellent, it looks like we have an engineer on board who seems to know about engines which is significantly more than I expected and a master carpenter should be helpful when it comes to building more ships.
 
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Nice, looks like we got a nice mixture of specialist, language/culture and practical trades.
[X] Dressed in our finest outfits, atop steeds and swords at our sides. We shall bring gifts of wine, clothes, and instruments. Let the people of these lands know the splendor, friendship, and might of Numenor. It is with openness but prideful dignity that we shall present ourselves (Bring our singing specialist and Liv)

So yeah all who can ride horses should get decked out and make a big impression. The cloths, wine, and instruments gifts should make it clear we are people of culture and wealth. And our men being the size that they are, all with sword (or whatever it is they carry) and horses should also make it clear we are a people of great prowess. Liv to translate and our new singer to share our songs and play instruments.
Too pretentious, if I were the leader, I would try to cut our throats after the feast, or lock us up and burn us in the bathhouse. In extreme cases, we will burn the ship and we will have to arrange an Anabasis cosplay.

We must keep the middle. Not to show that we can threaten the authorities, but also not to look like unarmed prey.
 
Too pretentious, if I were the leader, I would try to cut our throats after the feast, or lock us up and burn us in the bathhouse. In extreme cases, we will burn the ship and we will have to arrange an Anabasis cosplay.

We must keep the middle. Not to show that we can threaten the authorities, but also not to look like unarmed prey.
Being prideful and having a high opinion of one's self and people is literally one of Eriol's defining traits

The scenario you suggested is something out of a Saga where the 2 sides are mortal enemies (Example. Olga of Kiev's revenge for her husband). Not something someone does to a visiting delegation of at most a couple dozen men.

We bring quality gifts in exchange for respect, we're not going empty handed or cursing their mothers.
 
Being prideful and having a high opinion of one's self and people is literally one of Eriol's defining traits

The scenario you suggested is something out of a Saga where the 2 sides are mortal enemies (Example. Olga of Kiev's revenge for her husband). Not something someone does to a visiting delegation of at most a couple dozen men.

We bring quality gifts in exchange for respect, we're not going empty handed or cursing their mothers.
60 (okay, 50, someone needs to guard the ship) steel-armored people is scary. Really scary, such good armor allows you to ignore swamp iron swords, which should be the main ones here. These 50 people can literally kill 200-250 soldiers and disperse another 2,000 militias.

And we are also very rich. It causes greed.

Fear and greed is the worst combination that has already led to the fall of Numenor and can doom us to the fall.

If we were in Constantinople, then a demonstration of our power and wealth would be appropriate. The Emperor has nothing to fear from us, and taking our goods from us would cost him too much reputation. In Ladoga, there is someone to be afraid of us, justifiably.
 
Nobody just kills a delegation because they want the goods they bring or beca they have sowrds and mail. The delegation is literally giving away these gifts. And Rurik has his own professional retinue of men.

Also idk if you read what @DragonParadox said earlier. Only about 20 of our crew are actually outfitted for war and can ride horses. We won't get massacred just because we have armor and shiny stuff. That would essentially be DP punishing Eriol for being himself and additionally thats no way for any person, Norse or not to treat visitors.
 
Nobody just kills a delegation because they want the goods they bring or beca they have sowrds and mail. The delegation is literally giving away these gifts. And Rurik has his own professional retinue of men.

Also idk if you read what @DragonParadox said earlier. Only about 20 of our crew are actually outfitted for war and can ride horses. We won't get massacred just because we have armor and shiny stuff. That would essentially be DP punishing Eriol for being himself and additionally thats no way for any person, Norse or not to treat visitors.
If only 20 people have the right weaponry then it's ok.

Do not forget that we are nobody, we are named in no way and there is no one to avenge us. Killing vagrants at this time is not a very terrible crime.
 
60 (okay, 50, someone needs to guard the ship) steel-armored people is scary. Really scary, such good armor allows you to ignore swamp iron swords, which should be the main ones here. These 50 people can literally kill 200-250 soldiers and disperse another 2,000 militias.

And we are also very rich. It causes greed.

Fear and greed is the worst combination that has already led to the fall of Numenor and can doom us to the fall.

If we were in Constantinople, then a demonstration of our power and wealth would be appropriate. The Emperor has nothing to fear from us, and taking our goods from us would cost him too much reputation. In Ladoga, there is someone to be afraid of us, justifiably.
Ok not even a host of Noldor lords could win those odds never mind just 60 sailors of numenour. Another thing is that we have only a limited amount of supplies and wealth and doing shit like that is going to make the local merchants charge us massively for their goods which we may need to trade or subsist off of.

I say we keep our swords close and build up some info on the local setting before making any grand displays such that
 
I mean a alternative write in would be welcome. I'm not married to mine, I'm playing based on the character that Eriol has shown himself to be.

The question is how we present ourselves to Rurik, everyone will see our huge ass ship, can't exactly hide it if we go to the town. We are already based on that not normal traders or normal in general.
 
[X] Present the Jarl with suitable gift to make him interested, but not threatened. Ask the girl about it.
Present yourself as a trader of exotic things from the far shores.
 
[X] Dressed in our finest outfits with a few companions. We present ourselves as interesting foreign merchants. We shall bring gifts of wine, clothes, and instruments, just enough to wet appetites for more. It is with humbleness and friendlyness that we present ourselves. (Bring our singing specialist and Liv)
 
[X] Dressed in our finest outfits, atop steeds and swords at our sides. We shall bring gifts of wine, clothes, and instruments. Let the people of these lands know the splendor, friendship, and might of Numenor. It is with openness but prideful dignity that we shall present ourselves (Bring our singing specialist and Liv)

I like this. We literally have tons of trade goods to show to the great kings of Europe. Even a paltry amount we give is going to be unlike anything any other random trader can give. The more we can spread the legend of Numenor, which is basically as close to the legend of Atlantis that any of these men have ever experienced, the greater the impact other places might find our presence in their lands.
 
[X] Present the Jarl with suitable gift to make him interested, but not threatened. Ask the girl about it.
Present yourself as a trader of exotic things from the far shores.
 
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