The Empty Crusade (Horus Heresy)

[X]The Slaves

I understand that there will be such phenomena as "Eternal contracts" and "Debt holes". But this option is the best.
Humans should not be slaves. (Well, everyone else, too, according to the residual principle)
 
We need to actually dedicate assets to improve the imperium logistics and army

At least one imperium action per turn to keep things afloat
 
[X]The Slaves

We'll probably need to take some awful decisions later, especially if we fuck up some more Primarch childhoods, but it's nice to at least have tried for something better than the canon Imperium.
 
So as was asked what would have happened with each other option. All but calling in the Astares would have given the he was Wrong option its a pretty standard.

If you had abandoned the United Republic you would have been viewed as putting those that contribute less as being less valuable and basically the Republic would have died with little fan fair but it would cause a reaction of many going what if I don't contribute enough. I would be voting for basically how to address that but all of them would be a patch over being seen as willing to chuck little guys under the bus leading to larger subject nations, which could have knock on effects.

The forge world would have done the best no help but would have fallen Imperial Army actions would have been reduced in the upcoming war but because the forge world would have held on tooth and nail you would have no orks outside of the main Waaagh to deal with. The vote would be basically who gets the resources from the sector and basically avoids the malus with potential reaching effects of you choose to prop up the navy or titans instead of the army or auxiliaries ect.

The Legion wouldn't have had much direct effect yeah you loose the Legion in the next part of the Arch but you do have 18 free. So I wouldn't have expected that to be a lot. No the major thing that brings up is you basically had a legion under the orders of a mortal now each legion would have justification but from the outsiders it makes it easier to view the Legions as just the Imperial Army+ and subservient to the Imperial system even on smaller scales. This would have had an effect on Primarch's other than Guilliman, what with they are arguably under the high lords right now but it becomes more pressing
 
The Legion wouldn't have had much direct effect yeah you loose the Legion in the next part of the Arch but you do have 18 free. So I wouldn't have expected that to be a lot. No the major thing that brings up is you basically had a legion under the orders of a mortal now each legion would have justification but from the outsiders it makes it easier to view the Legions as just the Imperial Army+ and subservient to the Imperial system even on smaller scales. This would have had an effect on Primarch's other than Guilliman, what with they are arguably under the high lords right now but it becomes more pressing
That's actually sort of amusing when you take that along with the anti-alien sentiments that are being fostered it ultimately isn't the biggest problem that came about from this whole thing.

"Yeah, the aliens are basically just bottom rung in the Imperium, but you know what the real problem is? The Imperial Army had too much control over legions."

Oddly enough the bits about the UR going under and fermenting this idea that if you aren't a super state or under the aegis of one, you need to get into that. This would've seen a lot more political blocs being formed around our subjects. Imagine the Imperium having to handle a hundred different alliances akin to NATO or something akin to BRICS?
 
Hmmmmmm I wonder if someone could try putting up a legion equivalent of their own or maybe.... Supporting a legion to generate a specialist enclave in their area in order to gain added protection and priority.
 
I mean the story can still be grimdark and the imperium doesn't have to be the fascist failed state that destroyed every other possible opition after all the dark eldar, necrons and other just bad factions exists.
 
Wheel of Fire Campaign: Walls of the Imperium 3
Idealism in the face of reality. That is what some accused the high lords of as they agreed to the abolishment of slavery in all Imperial Subjects. Many polities railed against it and that made going into talks about what would be classified as slavery a hazardous affair. Even as war battered the Imperium its heart was tearing into itself, the arguments were so great and so heated that Guilliman had needed to pull back from preparing the logistics of the invasion to herd the cats that called themselves the Imperial Council.

"Slavery must be banned with a broad a brush as we can create no person should live in unwanted labor." The voice of a young man only a century into his life echoed at the heart of the empire.

"What is a person? Surely you would not ask we release horses from their bondage under this edict." The quip returning from one of the managers of an agrisystem, it was clear he was exaggerating his opponents position but whether he did so to point out a perceived flaw or to create a straw man to break down was unclear.

"Of course reason is needed to be considered to be beyond the rightful bonds of ownership." The young representative spoke again his time on the floor going from a place to sway others to a shooting gallery from those many times his senior.

"Reason is a low bar, one can claim computators, and servitors are able to reason they process logical commands as is their creation as is their make. But surely anyone who has interacted with them would not claim them as a person." One of the representatives of one of the many Mechanicum planets put out her voice deeply hissing with static as she spoke.

The speaker shouted a smile overtaking his face and a glint in his eyes when some sort of plan came together. "But are not servitors created from humans from those that we would wish not to enslave. Rather than argue that servitors are people and therefore slaves I will argue that the process of creating a servitor is the same thing that we are trying to disallow with that edict to disallow slavery."

The hall was silent for nearly a second before everyone bursted out shouting and yelling with their own responses to that statement. This went on for nearly a minute before the hall was silenced as Guilliman spoke, his voice not raising to yells but overpowering all others who wished to interject. "The exact legality of servitor creation is not the precise purpose of this gathering. So we will have to return to it at a later date. For this time I will state that it is clear that servitories created from vat grown humans never tasting awareness are clearly not in the remnant of what we wish to disallow here."

"It's your broadness of what can be classified as slavery when you use the term involuntary service is ridiculous as to make it meaningless. Many of us, the Imperium itself especially in emergencies or as a general tool to increase the amount of soldiers needed for the Crusade." An old general put out clearly concerned that to open a definition would disallow this practice and hamper the ongoing wars.

"Why should slavery be allowed mearly because the slaves are made into soldiers." The speaker responded with his voice trying to mask the frustration at the Emperor ending the tangent of the servitors.

"You would rather see ten dead to one in service to his world or the empire without consent." The general snapped back.

"What I think he means to say is that there are many places to draw forces such that if one doesn't mind the delay or slight reduction in numbers we could switch worlds over to a voluntary service system." All turned as the Matriarch of Selenar cult's spoke her voice strangely alluring and drawing all eyes to her. The Selenar rarely got involved in debates and often would not dane to send a representative merely because they had many things to do and thought that any who could speak on their behalf had enough skills it was a waste to send them.

"I… yes the Matriarch is correct, for all but the most backwater worlds the necessity to draw civilians into combat doesn't exist." The speaker caught himself but was quickly returning to the groove.

"How would we pay the manpower tithe?" It was a simple voice from one of the Uranian representatives, his disfigured form tight around the cane as he stood. He looked passionate despite the lack of tone to his voice. "If we can not draw on our population how do we keep up with the demands of the Imperium and retain our own defensive forces."

Guilliman had returned to his throne as the conversation settled down working out when drafts were slavery and when not. He looked over to Constantine who stood beside him in his black armor silent and still. "How goes the war?" He had been stuck in the council chamber for nearly a week, his superhuman physiology keeping him from getting tired or worn out by the constant awareness required to manage this rabble but his mind grew weary. And he was annoyed that the Imperial Council couldn't manage itself so instead of helping to recover Magnus from the heart of this Ork infestation he was trapped here. He could only hope that Perturabo was able to conduct the first grand war of the Imperium by himself and that his brothers escaped the Orks alive.

"Many things are happening my liege though I feel that the most pressing is…" The custodian began to give Guilliman details of the war and of its notable events focusing on.

[]The Front
The state of the Imperial Army as they grind against the forces of the Orks.
[]The Spear
The Legionary forces pushing into the ork fighting back.
[]The Mind
Of actions of the Sigillite who had begun to act off Terra in response to the Orks.
[]The Heart
Of scattered reports and scoutings hinting at the fate of his brothers trapped behind enemy lines.



The walls of the imperium held back the tides, and while they took damage the Imperium can move on. Those in power see that they can use their control over important resources to bludgeon those they dislike below them. While the Imperium itself begins to shift and consider itself as an ideological group more than just a defensive pact.

However rebellions and discontent of some groups has required Guilliman to leave the front line to keep the empire together leaving Perturabo as the Master of War, only time would tell if he would take to the appointment. At the heart of the Orks the fate of Magnus and Ferrus is unknown.
 
Just to make it clear this vote is deciding what the next subarc of the war is focused on. With front being the Imperial Army. Spear being the legions. Mind-being the right and his machinations. And finally with heart being what's going on with Magnus and Ferrus inside.
 
Ah Politics, the bane of Empires.

Well i for One want to see what's going one with Magnus and the Problem Child, stuck in Ork Land.

[X]The Heart
 
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