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Buffy the Vampire Slayer Take Two

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    • You take some time thinking about what's important to you, and what you'd want to keep as your core. You talk to Giles about it, and settle on trying to do purification rituals at least once every six months, and making sure to ask why you're doing things. You want to support your friends too, and make sure that's brought up, along with wanting to not hurt others, but that's something Giles points out is more something you'll have to work along. He's happy to help you along with it, and encourages you to talk to the others as well. Which is something you're far less comfortable with. Just having Giles know is enough for you for now.

    Buffy is back on a kick of wanting a guy, and talking to Willow about how she'd like someone like Angel. Or really, any kind of guy that could help her have some fun and relax instead of constantly stressing about Slayer stuff. It really bugged you to listen to them go on about that when you were right there. Yes you weren't dating either of them, but listening to them talk about how you didn't fit the kind of guys they wanted just really rubbed you wrong. What was so bad about not being older than them? Angel was definitely too old!

    It wasn't only them that were interested in college boys either, Cordelia was talking up the benefits of dating frat boys. She had an invitation to a frat party, and had decided to ask Buffy to go with her, since the guy she was interested in was friends with a guy who was interested in Buffy. This was not something you liked, nope. If Buffy wanted to go out you could all go to the Bronze! She didn't need to go to some frat party with older guys.

    [ ]Sneak into the frat party to keep an eye on Buffy
    [ ]Go to the Bronze with Willow and Amy to have fun without here
    [ ]Write-in
     
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    • I'm pretty sure that the frat boys are evil somehow, but sneaking in to keep an eye on Buffy is extremely condescending. Would asking Buffy to stick with Cordelia so that they can look after each other be a good idea? They should already know to do that, but sometimes people forget to take safety precautions.

    As for how Xander spends his time, I'm fine with him going to the Bronze.
     
    Question: Why not join the frat party for booze and a good time? I'm from Europe - would it be possible for us to simply go there, without explicitly sneaking in, or is that an "invite only" thing?
     
    Swedish15 said:
    Question: Why not join the frat party for booze and a good time? I'm from Europe - would it be possible for us to simply go there, without explicitly sneaking in, or is that an "invite only" thing?
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    House parties are typically at least somewhat invite only - maybe as long as someone there says you're fine you're fine, but you can't just be a total stranger.

    Additionally college students are going to be noticeably older than Xander - he's going to stick out.

    In normal circumstances, that Xander is not of legal drinking age means that the adult attendees are committing a crime, but they already have underage people there and are intending to sacrifice people to a demon so they probably don't care.

    In canon Xander went and was humiliated for little benefit.
     
    [x]Go to the Bronze with Willow and Amy to have fun without here
    -[X]Ask Buffy to keep an eye on Cordelia. Not all evil is supernatural, and Cordelia doesn't have Slayer powers to help her if the frat boys aren't on the up and up.

    Hopefully, that write-in is ok. Xander has had to deal with both abusive parents and 2 people he was interested in turning out to be supernatual entities who wanted to kill him. I think he'd realize that something could go wrong without the supernatural necessarily being involved. Asking Buffy to keep an eye on Cordelia is a subtle way of making sure that the girls stick together.
     
    [x]Go to the Bronze with Willow and Amy to have fun without here
    -[X]Ask Buffy to keep an eye on Cordelia. Not all evil is supernatural, and Cordelia doesn't have Slayer powers to help her if the frat boys aren't on the up and up.
     
    [x]Go to the Bronze with Willow and Amy to have fun without here
    -[X]Ask Buffy to keep an eye on Cordelia. Not all evil is supernatural, and Cordelia doesn't have Slayer powers to help her if the frat boys aren't on the up and up.
     
    [x]Go to the Bronze with Willow and Amy to have fun without here
    -[X]Ask Buffy to keep an eye on Cordelia. Not all evil is supernatural, and Cordelia doesn't have Slayer powers to help her if the frat boys aren't on the up and up.
     
    [x]Go to the Bronze with Willow and Amy to have fun without here
    -[X]Ask Buffy to keep an eye on Cordelia. Not all evil is supernatural, and Cordelia doesn't have Slayer powers to help her if the frat boys aren't on the up and up.
     
    Oof... not sure how the QM will play this, but I definitely remember this episode. Everyone's correct that New Xander shouldn't go, it doesn't really fit him as a more mature person, but at the same time if he doesn't then there's multiple Bad Ends here, including a really disturbing and infuriating one.

    I'm not sure Cordy has matured enough yet by this point to trust her with Buffy's safety when she doesn't think anything supernatural is going on and canonically backed up the frat guys into pressuring Buffy to drink in this episode.

    By the way any Americans, question from a person whose only experience with American teens and college kids is movies and TV. I constantly see them drinking and it being pretty out in the open and not hidden, yet the drinking age is still 21 right? There might be a few college kids who are past that, but I'd think it would be the minority and it's definitely illegal for high school parties. Do people just not enforce that? Is it much less than fiction portrays? Would a teen consider it no big deal to drink below 21 - even someone like Willow?

    I'm fairly sure the best way to go about this is to not go, but let slip to Giles and Angel that she's going to the party. I'm not sure how Xander could justify that to himself as not a betrayal of trust though, even if it is out of concern for her safety.

    They need to find out she's ditching them to go to the frat and this vote is even worse if Willow is joining Xander and Amy at the Bronze, because that was her responsibility in canon.

    Also it occurs to me that occasionally I might've been a bit spoilery when things keep to canon? If I am bothering anyone, do let me know and I'll start spoilering things more strictly, I'm not sure where the line would be in this case.

    [x]Go to the Bronze with Willow and Amy to have fun without here
    -[X]Ask Buffy to keep an eye on Cordelia. Not all evil is supernatural, and Cordelia doesn't have Slayer powers to help her if the frat boys aren't on the up and up.
    -[X]Let slip to Giles and Angel (accidentally?) that Buffy is going to a frat party tonight, because you didn't know it was meant to be a secret.
     
    Mount. Elements said:
    Ask Buffy to keep an eye on Cordelia. Not all evil is supernatural, and Cordelia doesn't have Slayer powers to help her if the frat boys aren't on the up and up.
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    [x]Go to the Bronze with Willow and Amy to have fun without here
    -[X]Ask Buffy to keep an eye on Cordelia. Not all evil is supernatural, and Cordelia doesn't have Slayer powers to help her if the frat boys aren't on the up and up.

    There's another good thing to this write in - Buffy really wants a 'normal' life, which is fine and probably healthy. But here Xander is pointing out that 'normal' is not 'safe' or 'good', and is linking her Slayer powers to being able to prevent some of the 'normal' dangers people can face.

    Edit: Hopefully, Buffy will say something (in a socially adroit manner) to Cordelia about how some of these older party goers might be skeevy, and that will cause Cordelia to think to keep an eye out for Buffy's wellbeing.
    CollectiveRamble said:
    I'm fairly sure the best way to go about this is to not go, but let slip to Giles and Angel that she's going to the party. I'm not sure how Xander could justify that to himself as not a betrayal of trust though, even if it is out of concern for her safety.

    They need to find out she's ditching them to go to the frat and this vote is even worse if Willow is joining Xander and Amy at the Bronze, because that was her responsibility in canon.
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    I'm not ok with the Xander becoming manipulative tbh.
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    Not that this is relevant to my point, - I'm just curious; but is Buffy ditching* them? It reads to me that she's openly choosing to go to this party with Cordelia, and Xander/Willow/Amy know of her plans ahead of time. And that's like... fine?

    *ditching to me is 'make plans with people for a night out, but then choose to go elsewhere at the last moment with different people'
     
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    Giles doesn't know about the frat party invite, but everyone else does. Willow is very happy for Buffy to go, Amy sees it as a chance for Buffy to have fun, and Xander, as mentioned, doesn't like it. Since the frat party is invite only, the others can't join Buffy going unless they sneak in.

    And yes, drinking is fairly open at frat parties, the general rule is as long as you aren't disturbing the neighbors the cops won't be called on you for underage drinking
     
    @Blacksheep Is practicing a bit of self defence with Giles a thing that Xander does a little of in the background now even if we vote for him to do other things, or has he been too focused on whatever the 'problem of the week' is keep that up?
     
    CollectiveRamble said:
    Also it occurs to me that occasionally I might've been a bit spoilery when things keep to canon? If I am bothering anyone, do let me know and I'll start spoilering things more strictly, I'm not sure where the line would be in this case.
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    I enjoy knowing how canon goes as long as the thread doesn't start going, "We're all doomed unless you vote for this and this and this." You're fine, but I've participated in quests where other voters act as if they are the only ones who guide the quest to a safe ending without taking into account the nature of the quest and the changes made so far.

    The GM is pretty nice so I think that we should be ok with just reminding Buffy that mundane evil exists so that she's on guard.
     
    Gunman said:
    Can we tip the police, and if this is on campus, the college about the time and place of this party?
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    There's a few problems with this sadly.
    1. Xander has no evidence of supernatural stuff or reason that isn't meta-knowledge to do this. Doubly so, when it could lead to Buffy and Cordelia being arrested, which he absolutely wouldn't want and could ruin his friendship with them.
    2. To quote that amazing man that is Principal Snyder "The Sunnydale Police are deeply stupid." There's no confirmation they'd take it seriously, especially as even police in Sunnydale know not to go out at night unless it's an emergency.
    3. The college frat is owned by rich and influential former alumni with some sort of magical prowess. Even if money didn't talk to get the cops to leave, then they'd definitely quickly cover up any wrongdoing and be on the hunt for who pointed them their way.
     
    CollectiveRamble said:
    Xander has no evidence of supernatural stuff
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    BeepSmile said:
    Thank sounds like a real dick move imo. The only motivation Xander would have to do that would be to stop Buffy going to a party she wanted to go to out of jealousy.
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    Would he have to think there are demons at the frat party to think it is a bad idea for Buffy and Cordelia to go? I agree with everything else.

    BeepSmile said:
    [x]Go to the Bronze with Willow and Amy to have fun without here
    -[X]Ask Buffy to keep an eye on Cordelia. Not all evil is supernatural, and Cordelia doesn't have Slayer powers to help her if the frat boys aren't on the up and up.
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    I just do not think this is a great option. Why not have Xander go? How much can Buffy be relied on to keep an eye on Cordelia when she is going to be partying and spending time with a guy herself? They would have to decide to stay together for the entire party.
     
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    Gunman said:
    1. Would he have to think there are demons at the frat party to think it is a bad idea for Buffy and Cordelia to go? I agree with everything else.

    2. I just do not think this is a great option. Why not have Xander go? 3. How much can Buffy be relied on to keep an eye on Cordelia when she is going to be partying and spending time with a guy herself? They would have to decide to stay together for the entire party.
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    1. Apart from him not wanting Buffy to meet and maybe start dating someone, can you suggest why else would Xander not want Buffy to go?

    2. Xander has not been invited and is years younger than most people there so it would be a bit weird for him to go, and feels a bit creepy/stalkerish to me considering his motivations.

    3. I don't know how much Buffy can be relied on to keep an eye on Cordelia, but I'm not - I've spent three minutes on this bit of my post and I can't help but feel that we are talking past eachother and I'm not willing to put in any more work trying to see where you think I am coming from on this.

    I've posted upthread about what I hope will be a good result of saying this to Buffy, and if Buffy and Cordelia don't look out for eachother's safety... then they don't do that.
     
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    is years younger than most people there
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    How old are Buffy, Cordelia and Xander at present? Are they not all like 16? I do not know what happened canonically or how Cordelia got invited but these could be frat bros preying on high schoolers and very bad things can happen from there that do not involve the supernatural.
     
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