This makes me wonder if this is a battleship from an alternate universe, or HMS being summoned as a battleship or something.
Defiance Against the Abyss - ON INDEFINITE HIATUS
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[X] Long ago, you had served the fatherland as a noble Heavy Cruiser, protecting her interests over the entirety of the globe, with armament and speed unrivalled at the time. You fought brilliantly against great odds, extracting victory from the jaws of defeat, but eventually, sank at the hands of a ship that overpowered you in every aspect - a true warrior's death, and one you accepted with grace. But the days have changed, and your efforts are needed once more, even as a nagging feeling says something is very, very wrong...
Cruisers are fairly rare in Kantai fiction so it's what I'm going for
Cruisers are fairly rare in Kantai fiction so it's what I'm going for
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You are looking for a British battleship, and she is based on the King George V-class battleships. As a design post-Escalator Clause, she could mount a variety of weaponry otherwise restricted by treaty - being much larger than the King George's at around 46,000 long tonnes, this could be done without compromising armour protection or speed, giving her a top speed of 30 knots. In other words, she is a consequence of the Japanese and Italians not signing the Second London Naval Treaty, and a much higher British concern for the German, Italian and Japanese fleets with large, powerful battleships and battlecruisers, culminating in an earlier desire to build fast battleships to counter them and more effectively protect British interests - technically breaking the treaty due to construction beginning on them before the Escalator Clause was invoked several months later in 1938.
Thus, design work did not begin around the end of 1938 but instead in 1936, was done in 1937, and with this time advantage, construction could begin much earlier. And regarding her name...well, a certain ship in 1912 didn't get her original name, allowing it to be used later. She was laid down in our timeline, just...much later, and too late to be useful, and eventually scrapped on the slipways.
Flutto has been guessed, and to be very precise, she is Mercurio, yes. In this case, the specifics were not as important, but her class was. That is two out of four!
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So a fictional class, based on the KGV. With a name taken from 1912. Called "a true aberration".
HMS Princess Royal.
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Battleships and subs are the only things fanfiction ever uses. That makes this choice fairly clear.
[X] You had been the eyes and ears of the fleet, the Light Cruiser keeping an eye out for threats both on and below the waves while guiding the fleet's various destroyers and escorting the battleships. Captured while under construction, languishing in the slipways, yet completed by the enemy, it is...strange, to sail again, this time fighting against the regrets and pains of the past. After all...you have so many, that it is hard to count them all. But fate had been upset once already - a second time is not impossible.
"What would have been the Seven Provinces, the spectre of the past returned to the present. Wie ben jij?"
[X] Long ago, you had served the fatherland as a noble Heavy Cruiser, protecting her interests over the entirety of the globe, with armament and speed unrivalled at the time. You fought brilliantly against great odds, extracting victory from the jaws of defeat, but eventually, sank at the hands of a ship that overpowered you in every aspect - a true warrior's death, and one you accepted with grace. But the days have changed, and your efforts are needed once more, even as a nagging feeling says something is very, very wrong...
"Für Gott, Kaiser, und Vaterland: the pride of the Imperial Navy, and her ever-loyal servant."
[X] A masterful raider, capable of hunting down even the most elusive prey: Able to outfight everything fast enough to overtake you, while at the same time having the speed to escape any battleship with guns large enough to hurt you, the term Battlecruiserwould be the best description that applies to you - and now, having returned at long last, the hunt on the Abîme, the Abyss, begins. Though, just about everything about the world feels...off, like staring in a mirror in a fun-house...
"L'épée de la nation, le bouclier de la république! Vous n'échouerez pas!"
[X] You had been the eyes and ears of the fleet, the Light Cruiser keeping an eye out for threats both on and below the waves while guiding the fleet's various destroyers and escorting the battleships. Captured while under construction, languishing in the slipways, yet completed by the enemy, it is...strange, to sail again, this time fighting against the regrets and pains of the past. After all...you have so many, that it is hard to count them all. But fate had been upset once already - a second time is not impossible.
"What would have been the Seven Provinces, the spectre of the past returned to the present. Wie ben jij?"
[X] Long ago, you had served the fatherland as a noble Heavy Cruiser, protecting her interests over the entirety of the globe, with armament and speed unrivalled at the time. You fought brilliantly against great odds, extracting victory from the jaws of defeat, but eventually, sank at the hands of a ship that overpowered you in every aspect - a true warrior's death, and one you accepted with grace. But the days have changed, and your efforts are needed once more, even as a nagging feeling says something is very, very wrong...
"Für Gott, Kaiser, und Vaterland: the pride of the Imperial Navy, and her ever-loyal servant."
[X] A masterful raider, capable of hunting down even the most elusive prey: Able to outfight everything fast enough to overtake you, while at the same time having the speed to escape any battleship with guns large enough to hurt you, the term Battlecruiserwould be the best description that applies to you - and now, having returned at long last, the hunt on the Abîme, the Abyss, begins. Though, just about everything about the world feels...off, like staring in a mirror in a fun-house...
"L'épée de la nation, le bouclier de la république! Vous n'échouerez pas!"
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I will repeat though, that they are not a fictional class. The Royal Navy in our timeline wanted her built, but had other priorities by the time of the war - construction was suspended, and finally just cancelled altogether. She is not Princess Royal though, nor a Lion-class battlecruiser.
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Would that make her one of the six planned Lion-class battleships then? Probably the Lion or Temeraire since they had construction begin. Though going by how there was a 1907 battleship called the Temeraire, it'll have to be the name ship of the class, the HMS Lion.
Because frankly: if it's not the Lion, then I give up and will just call her the 'impossible ship' due to being a complete AU.
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Throwing it out there since no one has guessed it yet, I'll guess that the battlecruiser is either Richelieu or one of the Dunkerques.
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Don't you mean two out of five?
Though I think we actually already know three, almost certainly four, out of five.
Italian Submarine - Mercurio, Flutto-class
Dutch Light Cruiser - De Zeven Provinciën/Kreuzer Holland One
German Heavy Cruiser - SMS Scharnhorst or SMS Gneisenau
French Battlecruiser - ???
British Battleship - Lion, of the cancelled IRL Lion-class (1938)
You can thank Nervos Belli if the German Heavy Cruiser is accurate, as they guessed the SMS Scharnhorst earlier and there's not much we can use to judge between the Scharnhorst or her sister given to us.
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Really playing with the technicalities here, huh? As IRL the Lion was never finished, thus couldn't have construction end during WW2 whilst in your AU it sounds like she also finished right before it, so again fitting in.
Which means for the last ship, we're looking for a French battlecruiser preferably built by 1932. We're also told pre-2nd London Naval Treaty so we know that she's pre-1936. This makes the Richelieu very unlikely leaving only the Dunkerque or her sister, the Strasbourg. With the former more likely than the latter. However both ships are post-1932 so that's... a problem.
On the other hand, I legitimately can not find any other possibilities. Because France just did not build capital ships post-WW1. And from what I can find, they didn't even build any battlecruisers before or during WW1. Made a few designs, but nothing actually seriously considered. So the only possibilities are a complete AU, one of the cancelled Lyons but those are much too slow, or one of the three fast battleships I mentioned in the paragraph above.
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[X] A masterful raider, capable of hunting down even the most elusive prey: Able to outfight everything fast enough to overtake you, while at the same time having the speed to escape any battleship with guns large enough to hurt you, the term Battlecruiser would be the best description that applies to you - and now, having returned at long last, the hunt on the Abîme, the Abyss, begins. Though, just about everything about the world feels...off, like staring in a mirror in a fun-house...
I'm mainly voting based on the discription.
I'm mainly voting based on the discription.
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That is three out of four!
Naval History of the British Empire and the United Kingdom, 1918-1939
'HMS [????? ?????????] was part of the Royal Navy's plan to counter the increasing threat of the Imperial Japanese Navy, the Regia Marina, and the Kriegsmarine, in order to protect British interests and retain credible fleet strength vis-a-vis her most likely opponents. With six battleships being built by the Italians and Germans, which included the largest battleships yet built on the European continent (The Bismarck-class), and the Japanese Navy building a pair of battleships in their largest docks, the Royal Navy under the leadership of The Lord Chatfield began work on a design to counter these ships.
With the Japanese and Italians continuing to refuse to sign or adhere to the Second London Naval Treaty, the design was made with the assumption of the invocation of the Escalator Clause, and based on the Treaty-compliant King George V-class battleships for greater efficacy in the design process. Tonnage, limited to 35,000 due to various treaties in effect for the Treaty-compliant ship, was raised to 46,000 tonnes, allowing for the installation of three triple 16-inch cannons, and the re-introduction of two twin 5.25-inch cannons lost in the final design of the King George V-class. Speed was increased to 30 knots, and armour protection for the gun turrets was raised.
The final design of the ????? ?????????-class Fast Battleships was accepted by the Admiralty on the twentieth of February 1937, only two weeks removed from the end of the deadline for Italian and Japanese acceptance of the treaties and before the activation of the Escalator Clause. Bids for construction of the fast battleships were solicited soon after the official invocation of the aforemention Clause, and construction on ????? ???????? and Lion began in June that year, which finished on the former mere days before September 1, 1939, the start of the Second World War in Europe, thanks to the extraordinary efforts of British shipwrights and labourers.'
You are correct - Richelieu, Jean Bart, and everything after them is out, as are Dunkerque and Strasbourg. Now, a theme here between the options: Ships that were never built or completed, had been designed only, or formed the basis for other ships...and suddenly we have options.
Let's see... We have Dunkerque's predecessor designs, the 17,500 "Small" battleship, which to be honest, is more a battlecruiser with the two quadruple 305mm cannons and being armoured against enemy heavy cruisers only. And then there is the monster 37,000 tonne design (for the interwar period that would have been a monster. Not so much later on, though.), three quad 305mm cannons, 33 knots, protected against the 283mm cannons carried by the Deutschlands. Hm. Now, the French scuttled plans for these designs, primarily because they wanted to appease the British in the London Naval Treaty and thanks to certain French disarmament talks in the League of Nations.
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Sadly, I'm stuck relying on wikipedia for research and finding the cancelled classes can be... problematic. Also, it's late so I'll give everyone else a chance to do some research.
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Dunkerque-class Battleship, "Background and Development", I do believe. They even have a picture for the 37,000 tonne design.
[X] A masterful raider, capable of hunting down even the most elusive prey: Able to outfight everything fast enough to overtake you, while at the same time having the speed to escape any battleship with guns large enough to hurt you, the term Battlecruiser would be the best description that applies to you - and now, having returned at long last, the hunt on the Abîme, the Abyss, begins. Though, just about everything about the world feels...off, like staring in a mirror in a fun-house...
"L'épée de la nation, le bouclier de la république! Vous n'échouerez pas!"
"L'épée de la nation, le bouclier de la république! Vous n'échouerez pas!"
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Born with much fanfare, yet ever tasting the bitterness of defeat. You have been given a chance to make things right. Will you charge forth, grasp this opportunity and save both France and your sisters Toulouse?
All know you as the Pride of the Royal Navy, carrying splendour and authority unrivaled. Once your mighty cannons brought giants to their knees. Will you answer the call and lead the fleet once more Queen Elizabeth?
[x] The pride of the Navy, a battleship without compare, you were spent on the distant blockade before being assigned to escort convoys. In the end, you fought against an enemy that proved even more formidable than yourself and paid the price of the pyrrhic victory: Against this rot the Abyss seems to be however, history will change - your efforts and skills will ensure total victory, irrespective of everything thrown your way, burning away the shame of that defeat.
"A representation of what never was in this cursed world, you are a true aberration."
"A representation of what never was in this cursed world, you are a true aberration."
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[x] The pride of the Navy, a battleship without compare, you were spent on the distant blockade before being assigned to escort convoys. In the end, you fought against an enemy that proved even more formidable than yourself and paid the price of the pyrrhic victory: Against this rot the Abyss seems to be however, history will change - your efforts and skills will ensure total victory, irrespective of everything thrown your way, burning away the shame of that defeat.
"A representation of what never was in this cursed world, you are a true aberration."
"A representation of what never was in this cursed world, you are a true aberration."
@Ojou-Sama I'm assuming that the German heavy cruiser is from the Scharnhorst class or SMS Blücher.
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[X] A masterful raider, capable of hunting down even the most elusive prey: Able to outfight everything fast enough to overtake you, while at the same time having the speed to escape any battleship with guns large enough to hurt you, the term Battlecruiser would be the best description that applies to you - and now, having returned at long last, the hunt on the Abîme, the Abyss, begins. Though, just about everything about the world feels...off, like staring in a mirror in a fun-house...
[X] Long ago, you had served the fatherland as a noble Heavy Cruiser, protecting her interests over the entirety of the globe, with armament and speed unrivalled at the time. You fought brilliantly against great odds, extracting victory from the jaws of defeat, but eventually, sank at the hands of a ship that overpowered you in every aspect - a true warrior's death, and one you accepted with grace. But the days have changed, and your efforts are needed once more, even as a nagging feeling says something is very, very wrong...
I really hope there is a turn around so we can play a speedy and deadly battlecruiser, but I will give the valient heavy cruiser my support for the sake of avoiding battleship trope.
[X] Long ago, you had served the fatherland as a noble Heavy Cruiser, protecting her interests over the entirety of the globe, with armament and speed unrivalled at the time. You fought brilliantly against great odds, extracting victory from the jaws of defeat, but eventually, sank at the hands of a ship that overpowered you in every aspect - a true warrior's death, and one you accepted with grace. But the days have changed, and your efforts are needed once more, even as a nagging feeling says something is very, very wrong...
I really hope there is a turn around so we can play a speedy and deadly battlecruiser, but I will give the valient heavy cruiser my support for the sake of avoiding battleship trope.
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[X] A masterful raider, capable of hunting down even the most elusive prey: Able to outfight everything fast enough to overtake you, while at the same time having the speed to escape any battleship with guns large enough to hurt you, the term Battlecruiser would be the best description that applies to you - and now, having returned at long last, the hunt on the Abîme, the Abyss, begins. Though, just about everything about the world feels...off, like staring in a mirror in a fun-house...
[X] Long ago, you had served the fatherland as a noble Heavy Cruiser, protecting her interests over the entirety of the globe, with armament and speed unrivalled at the time. You fought brilliantly against great odds, extracting victory from the jaws of defeat, but eventually, sank at the hands of a ship that overpowered you in every aspect - a true warrior's death, and one you accepted with grace. But the days have changed, and your efforts are needed once more, even as a nagging feeling says something is very, very wrong...
Battleships have been done to death. Admittedly, it's because they're awesome, but still...let's not.
Battleships have been done to death. Admittedly, it's because they're awesome, but still...let's not.