No, SV, You Are the Forest! (Riot Quest)
- Thread starter Raising Kittens
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Maybe. But with 200 offense successes (not rolls, successes) deployable next turn via lasers without falling off track for Magnitude 6 so long as people vote to upgrade collector trees this turn, which we can increase to a staggering 400 if things get really dicey, I think we'll be fine where we are.
Gotta charge up solar beam for a turn before you loose it, you know?
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Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Incidentally I think we should try to get one of each special tree even if they're useless, iirc they unlock research actions?
We might be surviving pretty well but we wouldn't be thriving if we're spending a significant portion of our actions on shields and deathbeams. Even better than warding off an attack: Not being attacked.Maybe. But with 200 offense successes (not rolls, successes) deployable next turn via lasers without falling off track for Magnitude 6 so long as people vote to upgrade collector trees this turn, which we can increase to a staggering 400 if things get really dicey, I think we'll be fine where we are.
Gotta charge up solar beam for a turn before you loose it, you know?
- Location
- The evergreen land of clouds and rain.
We're back! And it's time we Elder Protective Trees step up and do our jobs!
[X][Action] Erect the Shield! (Magnetic)
[X][Focus] Erect the Empty Veil (Void)
[X][Focus] Erect the Empty Veil (Void)x2
[X][Focus] Magnetize Missiles (Magnetic)
[X][Focus] Prepare a Shard Volley (Crystal) 2
[X][Forest] Yes
[X][Action] Erect the Shield! (Magnetic)
[X][Focus] Erect the Empty Veil (Void)
[X][Focus] Erect the Empty Veil (Void)x2
[X][Focus] Magnetize Missiles (Magnetic)
[X][Focus] Prepare a Shard Volley (Crystal) 2
[X][Forest] Yes
- Location
- Attached to a wall
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- She/Her
The poeple who voted for the making ourselves smaller 3*5D6 from the scavanging trees + from a root tree 1D6 = 16D6 I don't think that we are going to be able to reach the necessary 30 successes.
So I am changing my vote.
[X][Action] Move closer to the local star to improve the Sun Proximity bonus. (Gravity)
[X][Forest] Yes
So I am changing my vote.
[X][Action] Move closer to the local star to improve the Sun Proximity bonus. (Gravity)
[X][Forest] Yes
- Location
- Poland
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- He/Him
[X] Reach out to the Strange Presence
No clue what to vote for, focus wise, so I'll focus (heh) on communicating.
No clue what to vote for, focus wise, so I'll focus (heh) on communicating.
Three things to note:
1) Order of operations. The shard volley reduces the attacking "dice pool", not successes. Thus the shard volley will reduce their 100d6 to 70d6, rather than their 40-60 hits to 10-30 hits.
Magnetise Missiles doesn't explicitly say it reduces the dice pool, but it would make sense for it to do so. However the description does include "eliminating more than would be expected", so the exact rate of return is hard to calculate.
2) We only get to put power into the shield at the start of a turn. While we aren't in combat turns it is entirely possible that something else (either a follow up from the same enemy or something else showing up) will attack us before the next turn starts. Shield power expended against the missiles is unavailable to defend against other attacks.
3) The enemy is likely still watching. The more powerful our reaction to the missiles the less tempting a target we will be.
On a related matter the action '[ ][Action] Erect the Empty Veil (Void)' involves an opposed roll. Depending on how good the missiles are it is theoretically possible that even 1 success could have this work. It may well be worth putting a tree or two on this just to test the enemy's sensor tech.
You entirely miss the point of the plan. The upgrades will not be of any use against this attack. They are there to help against the next attack and every attack thereafter.
Plinni
A mysterious and charasmatic banyanya
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- Pargon Pargon Pargon
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- She/Her
[X][Action] Reach out to the Strange Presence
[X][Focus] Research the Hyper Tree
[X][focus]Research the hyper tree x2
[X][focus]Research the hyper tree x3
[X][focus]Research the laser power
[X][forest] yes
I leave sv for a weeks and what do I come back to? The same haphazard forest with the same haphazard planning! I love this story and am glad to see it alive.
P.S. this is why I continue to devote myself to the research of hyper lane travel.
[X][Focus] Research the Hyper Tree
[X][focus]Research the hyper tree x2
[X][focus]Research the hyper tree x3
[X][focus]Research the laser power
[X][forest] yes
I leave sv for a weeks and what do I come back to? The same haphazard forest with the same haphazard planning! I love this story and am glad to see it alive.
P.S. this is why I continue to devote myself to the research of hyper lane travel.
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- Location
- Lake Tourmaline
[X][Action] Research the Hyper Tree (Gravitic, Void)*
With all the defending going around, I'll be that one to assist in moving if we need to retreat. Hyper tree, hopefully.
[X][Focus] Upgrade (Collector Tree)
[X][Focus] Upgrade (Collector Tree) x2
[X][Focus] Magnetize Missiles (Magnetic)
[X][Focus] Erect the Shield! (Magnetic)
With all the talk going around, I'll compromise in growth and defense. If only because it's very hard to pick a side.
[X][Forest] Yes
With all the defending going around, I'll be that one to assist in moving if we need to retreat. Hyper tree, hopefully.
[X][Focus] Upgrade (Collector Tree)
[X][Focus] Upgrade (Collector Tree) x2
[X][Focus] Magnetize Missiles (Magnetic)
[X][Focus] Erect the Shield! (Magnetic)
With all the talk going around, I'll compromise in growth and defense. If only because it's very hard to pick a side.
[X][Forest] Yes
- Location
- England
I do not understand your maths and this goes against my Unga Bunga heart but I have acquiesced regardless.Root Trees:AT LEAST 8 SUCCESSES ON:
[][Action] Upgrade (Collector Tree)
It's 1.5 times more effective at growing the forest than Grow the Forest this turn.
WE HAVE ENOUGH OF:
[Action] Magnetize Missiles (Magnetic)
It was a good idea at the time, but as of time of editing we're pretty much set on beating the missiles, but need more Collector tree upgrades.
AVOID:
[Action] Grow the Forest
If you want growth, upgrade collector trees instead.
Details:
At least 8 successes on Collector Tree Upgrades. We're not getting mag 5 this turn, and even if we could it would actually be as good as the same growth spent on upgrades. Every player success on Upgrade (Collector Tree) that contributes to a completed Elder Collector Tree is worth approximately 1.5 player successes on Grow the Forest over the next two turns. First upgrade is at 8 player successes, every upgrade after that is at 9.
Notably, if we get both 4 focus and 8+ successes, it'll be trivial to get mag6 on turn 11, and possible to spare a focus action next turn while staying on track for it. Like, say, for shooting some interlopers out of the sky.
- Location
- Goose Land
The math says "If we upgrade the Collectors our Laser will be super unga bunga next turn."
- Location
- USA
Right so the last line out there- completely false. I am not decreasing growth, I am keeping it the same. What I am doing however is increasing the defensive capability- compared to collector trees which increase growth and laser offensive power. I am also increasing research rate so that we can get new trees and abilities online sooner.
Thanks!
Need to label that as an [Action] if we that's the main thing you want to do. Then you get 4 [Focus] votes. All of which you can make the same as your main vote. Just make sure they have a "x2 x3 and x4" tagged onto the end of them respectively.
Otherwise you're missing out.
Why are some people voting for research we can't conceivably get in 1 round that'd help us in this fight? Or wouldn't help any way?
Right, I'm just a tree who wants to Grow, but I have to point out the logical fallacy here. This is one possible result, yes, but it's not guaranteed. It's also entirely possible that they're going to attack us no matter what, in which case a smaller response is better because they'll think they need a smaller attack to saturate our defenses on the next strike, which will make defending that attack easier. Or maybe something else. Point is, we don't know, and we shouldn't assume that we know exactly what the response of the completely unknown enemy will be.
- Location
- Poland
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- He/Him
Ah, thank you for pointing out.
[X][Action] Reach out to the Strange Presence
Not using focus votes though, since I don't have any preference one way or another.
If that's how it works, then getting a proper offense online is only all the more important, because without that an enemy can simply sit there and batter down our shield and there's little we can do to actualy get rid of them.
Counterpoint: The more powerful our reaction to the missiles, the more of a priority target we'll be. An intelligent enemy will allocate as much resources to attacking us as they think they'll need to overwhelm us without overkill. We'd prefer that number to be lower rather than higher.
So are the lasers, while also increasing our growth as a big bonus.
Personally, because I'd like to see if it's possible to get a specialty in a specific research field.
- Location
- Florida
Eh it doesn't really matter. Everyones voting to use the shards while I only see one or two others that vote not to.
I do wonder if getting the doggo's to help clear the Skys also helps the other ships in the system, they may be able to reach them.
Mmh. But what I am saying is if reaching out to the strange Presence is your only desire then make your 4 [Focus] votes the same as your [Action] vote is not only fine but preffered because the consecutive votes increase the rolls used to make the [Action] votes successful.
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Added the title of the original quoted post for clarity.
1) Thanks! Wasn't aware of that. Running it through my probability array, it reduces the expected value of enemy successes from 50 to 40, and the "nat1" equivalent to 51.
2) If I'm reading this right, what you're saying is that we might get hit by something other than the missiles, which... fair enough. I've edited the main plan post accordingly.
3) I suppose, though others have argued for the opposite. Doesn't matter much to me, since I'm advocating for growing this turn so we can blast them out of the sky with 200+ offense successes the next.
4) Yep.
No, I didn't.
Magnitude 6 with elder collector trees will do more for our long term prospects by dint of being able to build whatever the hell we want. As an example, this turn, if we threw 4 focus actions and 17 base player successes at a growth project, we could get around 214 growth applied to something. This is completely incompatible with getting magnitude 6 while HSA is doubling our collector tree output, so it's a steep price to pay, because...
With Magnitude 6 and an even split of 7 collector trees and 7 elder collector trees, we'd have 6 focus actions and the magnitude 6 bonus to play with. 6 focus actions and 17 player successes would produce 436.5 growth, even though High Sun Activity is no longer nearly doubling our collector tree successes.
We can have a couple magnetic tree upgrades now, or over twice as much per turn later. Or of anything else we want. This is why going all in on compounding growth right now is so important. When that ends, our window for getting mag 6 fast ends with it.
That said, please re-read my actual plan if you're going to argue about any of that, since... well, not to put a fine point on it, but you literally forgot the first thing about it.
See above. High Sun Activity lasts through cycle 11. After that, our opportunity for hyper-growth ends. When I say in the main plan that with less than 4 focus actions on col tree upgrades this turn mag 6 is unlikely, I don't mean "if we use all our focus actions on something else", I mean "it's unlikely to make mag 6 if we so much as use 3 focus actions instead of 4".
If we use 0 on it, mag 6 is flat-out impossible to achieve within the HSA window. Every single tree could be using their personal actions in perfect concert and we still couldn't do it. I stand by what I said, your slate of focus actions takes our growth out back and shoots it dead.