I'm not sure that metaphor is perfectly correct. Adam isn't honestly too strong for a big bad, he's clever and perfectly controlled. But Wilkins will have Faith and likely Cynthia, even if we do find out about her eventually...

Ugh. You know what? Screw it, no winners here.

[X] Break the Staircase

Anyone we didn't kill would get the power, so lets keep the power from anyone (for now at least, maybe later Cyber Willow can bring it back with Weave). Not making a choice against or for Wilkins could possibly give us a better chance of redeeming Faith later, since the end result of this will likely be Wilkins without a body, but we hadn't killed him again.

[X] Smash the circuit attachment and KILL Adam
 
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Since people started to vote for alternative solutions I'll add join handshake option.

[X] Smash the circuit attachment and KILL Adam
[X] Reach their handshake and try to join tug for Artifact power


Even in the case that handshake does not do anything it still seems to me like a better option than killing Wilkins. If we don't do anything then Adam will likely win their straggle, then best case scenario would be him killing Wilkins for his betrayal, Faith joining forces with us to take her revenge and getting killed too. Then Buffy killing Adam. Admittedly it is too good to be true, but accomplishing even part of it would be great result. Maybe Kill aspect screwing with us here since both original options look not like a two best available but like two best available with mandatory killing in them instead.

I find the idea of an empowered Wilkins much scarier than an empowered Adam. Wilkins was able to bootstrap himself up into being the baddest bitch on the Hellmouth despite starting out as just a mortal sorcerer. Adam, on the other hand, is the supernatural equivalent of a trust fund kid who was born (well, made, I guess) with more power than most people can even conceive of. That makes me think that Wilkins can use all that power a hell of a lot more effectively than Adam can.
We kind of repeatedly understimated Adam before. People assuming that after gaining power he would immediately rush to confront us and we will have big showdown, but if Adam wasn't smart we would not be in such situation like now. With his Corrupt empowered CyberWillow would be on back foot and we will likely lose monitoring capabilities in large sections of town. And if his corrupt work on people he would be able to subvert almost anyone, not just Cynthia and Faith like Wilkins.


I'm not sure that metaphor is perfectly correct. Adam isn't honestly too strong for a big bad, he's clever and perfectly controlled. But Wilkins will have Faith and likely Cynthia, even if we do find out about her eventually...

Ugh. You know what? Screw it, no winners here.

[X] Break the Staircase
You can still maintain your original vote if you put both votes in one post.
 
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[X] KILL Wilkins by attacking his ghost

Wilkins coming back in Adam's body and gaining control of the Artifact sounds absolutely terrifying. No thank you.

Also, fuck Faith.
 
If nothing else this makes the 2002 election a lock.

Adhoc vote count started by DeAnno on Nov 1, 2021 at 4:07 PM, finished with 55 posts and 26 votes.
 
Well we are never burying the hatchet with Faith now. Killing someone's dad in front of them will do that.
That seems to have been almost inevitable, especially since she landed in Walsh's orbit; general consensus from the collective appears to be not so much burying the hatchet with Faith as much as into.

meanwhile I'm over here grumbling "stop stabbing holes in my ship"
 
That seems to have been almost inevitable, especially since she landed in Walsh's orbit; general consensus from the collective appears to be not so much burying the hatchet with Faith as much as into.

meanwhile I'm over here grumbling "stop stabbing holes in my ship"
I'd agree with you more if Buffy/Faith wasn't such an iconic ship that I'm finding it not existing in Successor to be kind of a novelty.
 
general consensus from the collective appears to be not so much burying the hatchet with Faith as much as into.

The general consensus to me has seemed extremely pro-Faith and trying to reconcile. The consensus' choices up until this vote have been either the maximally pro-Faith / reconciliatory option (saving her life in Xander's interlude, dealing essentially fairly in giving her the knife back that she was just trying to kill us with) or the second most reconciliatory option (Not immediately fighting her when she appeared, allowing the Initiative to check out their goons who were in lock-up). Both times we picked the second most reconciliatory option it was in part because we were worried being more reconciliatory would make Buffy unstable. I guess an exception is when we got the feds to put a tracking bracelet on her ankle, but that did basically nothing to her.

It's Buffy who hates Faith.

In retrospect I don't think we would have succeeded in burying the hatchet with Faith, except maybe if we did the maximum reconciliatory option from the get-go, choosing to overlook her presence and working with the initiative. That would have had other consequences, though, and I'm not sure if we made the wrong call there.

Also I think Faith is behaving more evil than many other fan works, because I think a lot of those take her evilness as pretty much just her in the episode Bad Girls - shoplifting and like, negligent manslaughter while in a fight. Whereas canon Faith went on to repeatedly murder people, including her murder of a civilian college professor, and did other pretty evil shit like attempting to remove Angelus' soul, sexual assault / attempted rape and attempted murder of Xander, and torture of Wesley.
 
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Yeah, I love Faith as a character and have generally been very pro-Faith in my voting choices throughout this quest. We have consistently left the door open for potential reconciliation, and I was hopeful that Adam's arrival would give Faith the push she needed to break with the Initiative and work with us to bring down the new big bad.

Instead she just teamed up with said big bad in a genuine effort to kill us, and is trying to restore her psychotic mass-murdering father figure to life in a way that makes him far more powerful and dangerous than ever before.

She's chosen her side, definitively, and it was that choice that made any reconciliation between her and Buffy impossible, not ours.
 
S4.0E12: Stairway III
[X] KILL Wilkins by attacking his ghost

On the surface, it should've been an easy call. Adam was a literal monster, and Wilkins was just an affable old guy. He'd made every effort over the summer to mend fences, almost acting like a mentor figure when Buffy was most uncertain with all her new responsibilities. Wilkins even knew the world was ending much-too-much lately, and had agreed it needed to be addressed.

But it was all just words, and that was what made him so dangerous. He could've been the one to tell her what she was becoming. He could've shown her this place at any time. He could've even warned her he was manipulating Adam. Instead he fed her little nuggets of wisdom and dollops of info, just enough to play the mysterious old wizard role. She wasn't buying it.

This was the endpoint of his evil villain plan. It was happening in his evil villain lair, and his evil villain lackey was even here to see it through. For all she knew, there were five more steps to go after this, at the end of them he'd be even more unstoppable than he seemed at graduation, and then he would eat everyone in the city, just like he had wanted to all along (as much as he clearly hoped she'd forget that little detail.)

While Adam was just a big monster who sucked up magic. She was pretty sure she could handle that.

As she decided at that last moment, he must have seen it in her eyes, and he said wryly, "Guess you can't win them all." The golden light swirled around them madly.

It was a massive effort to drag herself into range, and she couldn't have forced out a reply to him even if she could think of one.

"No!" Faith shouted like she was the one dying as Buffy lunged with all her might, driving her hammer down straight through Richard Wilkins' head and body. There was a moment of immense resistance from the bundled energy surrounding him, and then it shattered and his ghostly form exploded into mist.
KILL
She'd already lost her footing as she attacked, and the massive explosion that followed lifted her completely off the ground, blasting her back towards the dome. She felt a titanic rush of power and she was slammed into the wall like a ragdoll.

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CORRUPT
She opened her eyes, levering herself up from a prone position. Had she been knocked out?
CORRUPT
The room was mostly as she'd left it, but the wild rush of golden light had calmed, and the normal flow out from the stairway to the runes had resumed. Adam was turned away from her, gazing down into the depths of the stairway from the edge.
CORRUPT
"Ah. Of course. I saw so much, and yet I understood so little," he opined.

She finished rising quietly, hoping to ambush him while the hypnotic effect of the deeper stairway had him lost. If it was anywhere near as crazy as it'd been for her-

"Good," he turned, utterly unsurprised. "You're awake. We have a lot to discuss."

"You haven't won," she said, not so sure if it was true. He looked weathered and worn down, with his dented faceplate, broken gun, and several new minor injuries (maybe from the explosion?) But she was feeling her wounds too. Bullets to the shoulder and a rib, a pounding headache from her collision with the dome, plus a mess of smaller scrapes and aching leftover from his draining tentacle effect.
KILL
But most decisively, whatever he'd been trying to do with the artifact seemed to have worked. There was something different about the feel of his domain now; it was sharper, more precise. More itself than it had been before, in some hard to define way. She had the sense he'd become more dangerous to fight, not less.

"I agree," he said. "I haven't won yet. There is much to be done."

She summoned her hammer back from wherever it had ended up. Maybe she could smash the artifact instead of attacking him directly? It was obviously connected to the hellmouth, so that could go all kinds of wrong, but letting him control it was even worse. It appeared undamaged from all the earlier chaos, but there was a world of difference between incidental collisions and intentional smashing.

"I can perceive your fear," he said. "And determination, however misguided. But it's in no one's interest for you to act hastily, least of all those you wish to protect. This construct is still barely stable, but destroying it now might precipitate an extradimensional vacuum collapse."

Had she been that easy to read? "You're lying. But just to be totally clear, what do you mean by that?"

"An apocalypse," he said. "Or more precisely, a merge. While the ensuing chaos would be beautiful, neither of us would survive to see it."

She'd been afraid it was something like that. "That's exactly what you'd say if you didn't want me to smash it."

He shrugged. "Even so, are you sure you really want to? It's still half yours."

"What? No way." Hadn't he just spent her impromptu naptime taking it over? She wasn't even clear why he hadn't tried to finish her off, given such an opportunity.

"Search your feelings, you know it to be true," he intoned.

Was she still in dreamland? "You didn't just quote Star Wars at me."

"I admit to a certain sympathy for Darth Vader," he said.

She shook her head, just in case there were more cobwebs leftover, and tried to reach out again with the sixth (seventh? eighth?) sense she'd picked up just minutes ago. And when she did, she was pretty sure he was right. Something was still channeling into her, from the stairway up and through the runes. It was less, but the flow still seemed immense, and she dimly wondered how that worked, what it was doing to her exactly. Doing for her? She had a momentary feeling of a deep and confusing well of potential untapped within herself, but this wasn't the time.

"Why? You won. Unless your domain is secretly 'sharing' after all," she said.

He chuckled, disturbingly rolling his mandibles around. "No, nothing that banal. But this stairway, its behavior is … peculiar. I believe cutting you away from it would be an unnecessary risk. I would have taken it regardless when I first came into being, but the late mayor was an effective instructor in caution, if nothing else."

"So what then? You want to just let bygones be bygones, forget this ever happened?" Just like Faith trying to sweep all her treason under the rug. Wait.

"Where's Faith? How long was I out?" She snapped. The other slayer was gone from the room, and Buffy would be damned if she let her get away after this latest act of villainy.

"She is currently moving through the sewers," CyberWillow joined the conversation. "You were unconscious for 284 seconds, as far as I can determine. Some of the elements that were previously gathering for emergency reinforcement are in pursuit of her, but I estimate only a 29% chance of success."

"A rat scurrying away to hide," Adam commented. "She is ultimately insignificant. A rounding error to be corrected later."

"Not still friends?" Buffy said.

"It was an alliance built on a man that is dead and an institution that's soon to be," he replied.

"You're finally going rogue then? Betraying the Initiative?" She didn't know where he was going with all this. Had staring down into the incomprehensible broken his brain after all?

He walked towards her from the lip of the pit, opening his arms in a sweeping gesture. Her instincts didn't read it as an attack though, and his domain didn't press out against hers.

"This world has so much wealth. So much potential for violence and destruction. Yet it sits unmoved by either peril or opportunity. Does it ever frustrate you? Do you ever stop to wonder why?"

"Do you mean the government interfering with this? Seeing everything the Initiative's done for me with my tax dollars, I kinda wish they did even less," she said.

He shook his head. "Your experiences have taught you the wrong lessons, and you do not see the totality of the picture. Their error was in the other direction. They made only the meanest of efforts, too little and too late. My birth was its only real achievement, and its negligence in all other respects has allowed my situation to evolve as it has.

"Earth's leaders are mired in their petty politics, and their institutions are blinded by an antiquated masquerade. Time runs short and the vultures circle close. What will happen here, Buffy? What happens to Earth when you finally fail?"

"I won't fail," she said. "The world doesn't have to end."

He shook his head, looking almost regretful. "It is the nature of all things to seek their lowest energy state, their primal form. The cosmos remembers what it used to be, and someday it will be that way again. When all are one, and one is all."

The last line was chilling, resonating with something already within her. "So what, you're saying the world's fated to end, so we might as well let you be the lucky winner and end it? I'm not compelled."

"I don't want to destroy Earth," he said. "I want to remake it, to reforge its brittle strength into something real. With our leadership and guidance, what makes this world unique will survive the next merge and thrive in the new reality."

"You want to take over the world? You think I'm going to help you take over the world?" She was floored. At least it was a new and different kind of crazy from anything she'd seen so far. "You're insane."

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results," Adam said. "You save the world, it wanders back into danger, and then you save it again. How many times has it been now? Six? Seven? Join me. Try something new."

"OK, I admit things look a little bleak. But why would I ever try this? What's to stop you from killing me and all my friends the first time it's convenient? How is you taking over the world going to look any different than your average hell dimension?"

"You undersell yourself, and your organization. True, the Initiative was a failure, but you are not in their mold. You've been wildly successful at everything you've attempted." He looked down and to the side, making what looked like it might be a conciliatory expression. "The entire purpose I've chosen for myself is to cultivate strength. We can compromise, to a degree. Massacring or even antagonizing useful allies would be self-defeating."

"Oh, but massacring other people, that's not off the table, right?" She said sarcastically.

"You can't make an omelet without breaking some rotten eggs," he said. "And even considering your alignment, you're a death goddess. I'd expect you to understand the idea of culling the weak for the good of the rest."

Somehow, having her status stated so plainly threw her off, despite it being something she already knew.

Adam noticed, and continued. "You find yourself uncertain in your new identity, and moreover I can tell the subtler mechanisms of its function are opaque to you. I could help you achieve your full potential if you cooperate."

Buffy didn't know what to say to that, so she changed the subject. "So what's the first step of the master plan? March into the UN and demand they all surrender? Or maybe you want to go campaigning in Iowa instead. Primary season's right around the corner."

"As amusing as either would be, no," he said. "I believe local politics are important, and we have housecleaning to do here first. Assist me in taking full control of the Initiative, and I will consider you sufficiently committed to my side."

"Are we talking a peaceful takeover, or are these some of the people you think need a massacre?" She asked carefully.

"It might get a little bloody," he smiled, and his mouth made it uniquely awful to see. "But If all goes as planned, I should be able to recover the use of any … human resources lost in the conflict."

Vote: Is Buffy moved? Might she possibly give this unlikely alliance a spin?

[] Definitely not. This has to end now, before Adam has a chance to cause more damage or gather even more power. Attack him immediately.

[] Probably not. But she isn't sure she can win this fight right now, and she's willing to play along for a while with an attack on the Initiative.

If you think she can have a more positive opinion of Adam's proposal than the above, stunt her reasons onto the "Probably not" vote.
 
I really want to go full in on this alliance and maybe even turn it into a true relationship. Buffy and Adam as the two main Gods in a Pantheon that seeks to unite the Earth in preparation for an impending cosmic realignment seems like a fascinating story direction.
 
I don't think he's lying, he really would like to work with Buffy and build things. Problem is, we saw a glimpse of the kind of world he'd build in canon. A psychotic cyborg Forrest and basically zombie Maggie. We're not in good shape and we're only at half our domain, but he's not doing the best either. And ultimately, I just don't trust him. With more power, with an alliance. He's the Corruptor, the schemer, the planner. If we work with him, we'll be playing his game. We're the Killer. So let's take down a(nother) Big Bad.

[X] Definitely not. This has to end now, before Adam has a chance to cause more damage or gather even more power. Attack him immediately.
 
I really want to go full in on this alliance and maybe even turn it into a true relationship. Buffy and Adam as the two main Gods in a Pantheon that seeks to unite the Earth in preparation for an impending cosmic realignment seems like a fascinating story direction.
I'd wait till CyberWillow can grow to the level of planet managing AI. Adam don't offer that much that CyberWillow potentially can't.
 
[X] Definitely not. This has to end now, before Adam has a chance to cause more damage or gather even more power. Attack him immediately.
 
[X] Definitely not. This has to end now, before Adam has a chance to cause more damage or gather even more power. Attack him immediately.

At least if Adam gets away there is an upside of the Initiative being doomed. I am also really glad that we didn't lose the entire artifact, and I am very interested in what we can do with that untapped pool when things are a bit less of a crisis.

I do think Adam is kind of right on one thing though, after Adam is dealt with we are probably gonna need to go give the government a bit of a shake. They can do better than problematic interference, and if they won't do it on their own they need to be compelled to do better.
 
[X] Definitely not. This has to end now, before Adam has a chance to cause more damage or gather even more power. Attack him immediately.
 
[X] Definitely not. This has to end now, before Adam has a chance to cause more damage or gather even more power. Attack him immediately.

I voted to attack him before, I'm certainly going to vote to attack him again.
 
[X] Probably not. But she isn't sure she can win this fight right now, and she's willing to play along for a while with an attack on the Initiative

It's sort of like having a conversation with a less-ax-crazy Ultron. The novelty of that alone is enough for me to want at least one or two more non-murdery interactions. Not to mention, Buffy's done the 'temporary ally of convenience' with Spike before, namely in the circumstance of there being a greater, graver threat that both of them perceive. Plus, if we have time to regroup, sure Adam will likely account for the probability of Sudden but Inevitable Betrayal, but we'll have time to regroup and work with our allies, and to recover.

If we take the truce/deal now, we have a chance. If we fight now, I think we have none.
 
[x] Probably not. But she isn't sure she can win this fight right now, and she's willing to play along for a while with an attack on the Initiative.

I'm interested in his proposal. Reforge the world to stand taller against approaching calamities. Trade one mentor for another, now that Wilkins, tho I doubt it, probably is no more. Adam could show tricks to the use of domain.

Interesting he decided not to kill us while we were down. Tho his reason is stated to be caution, since we're still the owner of the thingy.
If you think she can have a more positive opinion of Adam's proposal than the above, stunt her reasons onto the "Probably not" vote.
Huh, It's possible to stunt something more than "I'll backstab him later." behind the "probably not" vote. Neat.
If the alliance would pan out then Adam's faction could be another useful resource in Buffy's pocket. A new faction to help with big bads and cover her back. Tho one that'll probably turn more people into cyborgs, kinda cyberpunk way I'd think, instead of the rattyness that came from the rats.

Knocked out for 284 seconds that is almost 5 minutes. I wonder. Had we called for backup in the form of a Willowbot at the start of the fight would she have been arriving by now?

It's interesting tho, his plan is building a bastion able to weather the merge and come through whole to the next one, like our color visions of the previous one. Isn't that plan with a timescale of billions of years? Tho who knows with the Hellmouth involved.
 
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