Song of the Dragon (ASOIAF/WOT Quest)

Hard to know especially as we will be rolling for the weave and so it's strength will vary.
That's part of why I feel like it's easier to just make our own. Though on that note, I feel like my original idea is probably not doable with a 'trick'. Just on a surface level, it seems like it has 3 weaves. Fire, air, and water. Something we could work up towards, but that said there's a pretty straightforward option.

Couldn't we just have a straight up fireball, or flamethrower? Which is enough on it's own, but then Aenar has his pyromancy which should let him control it.
 
That's part of why I feel like it's easier to just make our own. Though on that note, I feel like my original idea is probably not doable with a 'trick'. Just on a surface level, it seems like it has 3 weaves. Fire, air, and water. Something we could work up towards, but that said there's a pretty straightforward option.

Couldn't we just have a straight up fireball, or flamethrower? Which is enough on it's own, but then Aenar has his pyromancy which should let him control it.

Because multiple weaves is complex stuff and Maz isn't going to really allow that. You ask why we can't get the good stuff? Because it is too good for a person who has no knowledge of the One Power. We must take it slow and steady.
 
[X] Compelling Words

ASOIAF with wilder channelers everywhere?

Yeah, I can see the land breaking apart by the end of this story.
 
So channeling returned to the world fully eh? There goes our meta-knowledge from the books. The entire world just turned upside down.


As I said, why not? Though, it would go a long way if I knew how much of an effect Compelling Words has. Does it only push people towards something they already feel? Is it just give Aenar's words a bit of oomph, and what he says and how he says it still matters? Or does it have the ability to just smother people's agency to a degree?

It's been a while since I read WoT, but from what I recall, canonically the Wilder trick wasn't that strong. It's unlikely it would allow us to make people do things they are deeply opposed to.

So we could probably do stuff like nudging the Golden Company to support us more easily, or convincing our family to support our Westeros conquest. But we couldn't convince Tywin Lannister to jump to our side.

The series did have an advanced version called compulsion, where you could basically completely rewrite someones mind. Though that was both very difficult, and also viewed as totally evil.
 
So channeling returned to the world fully eh? There goes our meta-knowledge from the books. The entire world just turned upside down.

Yeah, Westeros is gonna be a fun place to invade. Imagine someone like Robb running around with some wilder tricks. Red Wedding may never happen due to all the butterflies. Renly as a channeler? Jamie? So many fun possibilities.
 
Yeah, Westeros is gonna be a fun place to invade. Imagine someone like Robb running around with some wilder tricks. Red Wedding may never happen due to all the butterflies. Renly as a channeler? Jamie? So many fun possibilities.

Not to mention the potential losses.

Canonically becoming a channeler with no one to train you is very dangerous. Maybe Maz will skip that part, but if not, a lot of random people are about to drop dead.
 
[X] Lightning Reflexes
- Sped up reflexes
- Slows down combat/chaos in the MC's head and allows MC to think clearly
- Faster in battle
- higher perception

Is this too OP? Have no idea what is considered a Trick or not lol.
 
Seen as we're an intrigue build.
Anger flashes true, and you respond archly, "It is one thing to keep secrets from a child. I am no longer a child. I shall not be kept in the dark any longer." Your words are for them all, but your mother most of all. She will do whatever she thinks is best to protect you. That is not what you need. Your blazing purple gaze fixes on Marwyn. "Answer my question, maester."
...
Marwyn spoke true words.
...
You need answers!
How about a "Divination" write-in, related to Truth?

[] True Sight
- "Vision Buff", see Truth from Lies
- Nice and simple.

[] True Seek
- "Truth Compass", seek Truth from Lies
- Think Pirates of The Caribbean compass pointing to "your desire", except it's a spell that points to "Truth"
- The more "complicated" the Truth sought, and the less intel Aenar has, the more difficult the spell and/or the fewer Truths revealed.
 
I'm not too familiar with but going by the name it might feel a bit redundant. We can already pull something similar. I'd look towards other options.

Compelling words for example are super super tempting. Using it to boost our diplomacy efforts would be a huge huge boon. We're going to need a lot of allies and this is one way to obtain them or at least make it easier to do so.
Because of the limits of channeling, compelling words can only be used in person, and is limited in the number of people it can effect. It effectively reinforces our words by threads of spirit used on the people we try to convince. It's useful, but it is not helpful for letters or speeches or the like. It is also not a real mind control. It makes you more convincing, that's all.
Because multiple weaves is complex stuff and Maz isn't going to really allow that. You ask why we can't get the good stuff? Because it is too good for a person who has no knowledge of the One Power. We must take it slow and steady.
A weave of fire air and spirit is still 1 weave, just one composed of three flows.

[X]balefire

Fire and blood. Full destruction.

For those who don't know WOT, balefire is the most powerful and forbidden weave in the series. It basically erases anything it touches from existence, with no sort of defense that can stop this. More than this, balefire can remove the target from the past as well, wiping out anything it did hours or even days back with enough power.
 
Because multiple weaves is complex stuff and Maz isn't going to really allow that. You ask why we can't get the good stuff? Because it is too good for a person who has no knowledge of the One Power. We must take it slow and steady.
But we don't have to do that.
You may make any write-in as specific as you like. A clear explanation of what you want, and how you would like to utilize said trick, including possible game breaking implications, will go a long way towards helping everyone!
Eavesdropping is a dual weave creation. Maz brings up gateways, they're included in the first link as dual weave creations.

Sure, that initial 'cold fire' thing is probably too complicated but that doesn't mean that we can't meta game at all. Maz says it's allowed. I can understand trying to keep things relatively simple for now, but that doesn't mean we have to go with bog standard options.

That said:
It's been a while since I read WoT, but from what I recall, canonically the Wilder trick wasn't that strong. It's unlikely it would allow us to make people do things they are deeply opposed to.
Okay, thanks for the info. It looks like it was going to win regardless, but this makes me feel like the stakes are less serious here. I still think it's worth our time to try and find some broken combos though, I mean it's not like Maz is just gonna give them to us.
 
Huh. A 'trick' you say? Well, I can think of one thing...

[X] Your everything, is mine

Details: Nothing too bad or game breaking. Essentially, with the consent of someone, (likely a servant or retainer or whatever) you are able to feel through their senses. You can't control them, no, it's more like you're an in-body observer. Seeing everything they see, hearing everything they hear, feeling everything they feel. I'm thinking at the start, you can only use it a limited amount of times, but as time goes on, you can extend it to more and more people at once, nad keep it up longer.

I dunno, it's just a fleeting thing. Seems like a good thing for someone with loyal people, or spies of sorts.
This is not possible as a trick with the One Power. In the Wheel of Time, there is a trick to see through a raven's eyes, but that's using power from the setting's satan equivalent.
[X] Lightning Reflexes
- Sped up reflexes
- Slows down combat/chaos in the MC's head and allows MC to think clearly
- Faster in battle
- higher perception

Is this too OP? Have no idea what is considered a Trick or not lol.
The One Power is bad at making weaves to enhance channelers, so I'd say this isn't really a viable 'trick'. Funnily enough while channeling, a man or woman's senses are heightened and channelers can 'weave' together the flows of the one power with enough speed to react to lightning.
This is too complex and powerful for an initial trick. Balefire is something you will have to buildup to as the game goes on.
 
Okay, thanks for the info. It looks like it was going to win regardless, but this makes me feel like the stakes are less serious here. I still think it's worth our time to try and find some broken combos though, I mean it's not like Maz is just gonna give them to us.

I found a quote.

Context: A character in WoT is trying to mindcontrol someone else using something cobbled together from multiple "tricks".

A great many things had captured her interest over the years, not all strictly approved of by the Tower. Almost every wilder who came to the White Tower for training—both true wilders, who really had begun teaching themselves, and girls who merely had started touching the Source because the spark born in them had quickened on its own; for some sisters, there was no real difference—nearly every one of those wilders had created at least one trick for herself, and those tricks almost invariably fell under one of two headings. A way to listen in on other people's conversations or a way of making people do as they wanted.

The first, the Tower did not care much about. Even a wilder who had gained considerable control on her own quickly learned that as long as she wore novice white, she was not to so much as touch saidar without a sister or one of the Accepted standing over her. Which did tend to limit eavesdropping rather sharply. The other trick, however, smelled too akin to forbidden Compulsion. Oh, it was just a way to make Father give her dresses or trinkets he did not want to buy, or make Mother approve of young men she ordinarily ran off, things of that nature, but the Tower rooted the trick out most effectively. Many of the girls and women Verin had spoken to over the years could not make themselves form the weaves, much less use them, and a fair number could not even make themselves remember how. From bits and pieces and scraps of half-remembered weaves created by untrained girls for very limited purposes, Verin had reconstructed a thing forbidden by the Tower since its founding. In the beginning it had been simple curiosity on her part. Curiosity, she thought wryly, working at the weave on Beldeine, has made me climb into more than one pickling kettle. Usefulness came later.

Now since Aenar is the Dragon, his trick might be more potent than average (unless the dice screw us over), but that gives an idea.
 
This is too complex and powerful for an initial trick. Balefire is something you will have to buildup to as the game goes on.
So no balefire. Can we get control of natural powers? Such as creating earthquakes or storms? This is an excellent way to demonstrate our power and thearten enemy armies, and Rand did both very early, as well as working really well with our high raw power. I guess shielding channelers is also too complicated

Otherwise, folded light is probably our best bet. It will allow us to make ourselves or others invisible and hide other stuff as well, which is really useful and works real well with glamour. Or maybe hardened air. Excellent utility, defense and offense-we can use it to create walls, stop arrows or just stop people in their track.
 
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[X] Compelling Words

Because compelling words plus Glamour disguises would give Aenar a scary amount of power.

Imagine him disguising himself, going into a place where people meet and trade, and using his Compelling Words to convince people that this Rumor is true, or that one is false, etc... then letting the ripples spread.

Then rinse and repeat with a new disguise.

In short order, he could drum up support, stir up dissent, or otherwise shift opinions as needed. And it would be hard to stop or even tell that someone is making it happen rather than occurring naturally.
 
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