Song of the Dragon (ASOIAF/WOT Quest)

Seriously folks, we are in Qarth and are going to need intrigue and diplomacy to obtain support for our conquest of Westeros. Glamor opens up so many routes to intrigue and assassination that even its use in Qarth alone with outweight any benefit of healing overall. A healing magic that is bound to be shittier than any potential healing we can learn with the One Power. If we want healing go with One Power healing when we eventually get that. Fuck ASOIAF healing.
 
[X] Healing- Breaking or destroying a thing with magic is much easier than fixing or creating. Still, driven by your father's condition, you sought after a way to cure him. The healing knowledge of the maesters married with many other healing traditions, such as the Godswives of the Great Shepherd of Lhazar, serve as a strong base for healing others.
 
[X] Glamour- Through the manipulation of light and shadow a sorcerer can alter the appearance of himself or others. More powerful glamours can seem to lie to the world itself, making lies into truth. Rumors say the Warlocks of Qarth are masters of illusion, and the Faceless Men of Braavos marry glamour to bloodmagic.

Going with this, but healing could work as well.
 
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Huh. You're very assertive in what you want. (I specifcally mean this as a compliment of sorts.)

Look how Dany hatched her eggs. Look at what it cost for Haegon and Egrayn to attempt to hatch their egg. It's powerful sacrificial magic. Not healing.
We don't know everything about magic, and those are just the instances we've seen. Although it's best for us to base knowledge on it, healing can come as a form of sacrifice as well. And if not for it's usability on dragons, then it's usability in helping not only our companions, but political allies as well. I'm sure an old lord at the edge of his deathbed ridden with pestilence would be duly grateful for a round of healing.

Necromancy is literally a separate branch of magic. This isn't presuming much. This is wanting something that healing should not have at all.
The first thing I see in it is literally "Manipulation of Life and Death." I'm not saying it's a direct path or closely related, but it's a possibility. Magic can only be limited by the creativity and materials we have at hand (also the rules and whatnot that govern it, but I'm sure Aenar can account for it)
 
Seriously folks, we are in Qarth and are going to need intrigue and diplomacy to obtain support for our conquest of Westeros. Glamor opens up so many routes to intrigue and assassination that even its use in Qarth alone with outweight any benefit of healing overall
Yeah, let's pick the magic that enhances what we already are good at.

Because in the long term.... unless Aenar can heal en mass (which I doubt) Healing will have limited utility vs Glamour
 
Qyburn is an alchemist and a necromancer, he does not heal. He reconstructs.
Point noted. But the blank-mind state he put the Mountain that Rides in was a tad similar to what Drogo had experienced, was it not? (Though Drogo had crap healing, and I wouldn't really label it as that.)

We already have the magic to do that. It's blood magic and pyromancy. Fire and Blood
Heh, the words.
 
Seriously folks, we are in Qarth and are going to need intrigue and diplomacy to obtain support for our conquest of Westeros. Glamor opens up so many routes to intrigue and assassination that even its use in Qarth alone with outweight any benefit of healing overall. A healing magic that is bound to be shittier than any potential healing we can learn with the One Power. If we want healing go with One Power healing when we eventually get that. Fuck ASOIAF healing
"Scuse me, but I may have overlooked a few things. What in the ever-loving earth is the One Power?
 
[X] Glamour- Through the manipulation of light and shadow a sorcerer can alter the appearance of himself or others. More powerful glamours can seem to lie to the world itself, making lies into truth. Rumors say the Warlocks of Qarth are masters of illusion, and the Faceless Men of Braavos marry glamour to bloodmagic.

I've been persuaded, particularly how it may synergize with enchantment. Though it's probably also because things like alchemy and healing are typically the go to. So, in this case, I'm interested in something else.
 
If you want good healing then obtaining healing via the One Power is far more preferable to ASOIAF magic healing. Much better to pick something actually useful for immediate use such as glamor magic which will be super useful for the entire quest.

Do we know if thats going to be a thing in this quest? Did Maz say something on Discord? Though given how absurd One Power is, it kind of obsoletes much of ASOIAF magics. And based on past experience, also kill the quest. :p

Look how Dany hatched her eggs. Look at what it cost for Haegon and Egrayn to attempt to hatch their egg. It's powerful sacrificial magic. Not healing.

This I agree with. Once the egg has literally petrified, it's dead. The time for healing has passed, and the time for resurrection/necromancy has come.

Hmm. Though Maz did say that "(Note: There could be fun and unexpected synergies between Valyrian Style magics and the element you choose!)".

What's the first thing that comes to mind when you think of fire and healing? A phoenix probably. A creature of fire that rises from death. Healing magic alone wouldn't do the job, but healing and fire when used on a dragon? Might not be so crazy after all.

It's the PR option if we weren't a Bloodmagic sorcerer of immense talent. Bloodmagic will tank whatever pr healing might give us.

Depends on how blatantly we use blood magic. If we were reasonably covert about it and didn't start mass sacrificing people for their blood, we could probably avoid the worst of it. And assuming that we want to make any alliances, we would have to do that anyway.

We don't need healing to get a foot in the door. Revenge is what Doran wants. Give him a chance at that and he will care more than healing him.

Doran was just an example. That being said, it could be useful even for Doran. Getting him to like us personally would still be useful, and also make him more effective due to not being so crippled.

Assuming that they don't die when Aenar is too far away from them to reach them which is very much possible.

True, but it greatly increases the chances of it. Even OP wouldn't help if they die far away.

It won't be easy. I'd rather trust the One Power's healing abilities than ASOIAF's magic.

This could affect OP too though. Canonically the Dragon didn't have much healing abilities, so unless we direct Aenar's mind, focus and personality to that direction, it's unlikely that he would develop them here either.


"Scuse me, but I may have overlooked a few things. What in the ever-loving earth is the One Power?

The magic system from the other side of the crossover.

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One Power

The One Power emanates from the True Source, which is made up of two complementary parts: saidin, the male half, and saidar, the female half. People who can wield it are called channelers. For a list of all known strengths given in The Wheel of Time Companion, see One Power strength rankings. It...
 
[X] Glamour- Through the manipulation of light and shadow a sorcerer can alter the appearance of himself or others. More powerful glamours can seem to lie to the world itself, making lies into truth. Rumors say the Warlocks of Qarth are masters of illusion, and the Faceless Men of Braavos marry glamour to bloodmagic.

I've been persuaded, particularly how it may synergize with enchantment. Though it's probably also because things like alchemy and healing are typically the go to. So, in this case, I'm interested in something else.
I've never seen healing as the go to in most cases, though that just may be my narrow experience. Traditionally in games like this, I find people choose more 'unconventional' options, like illusions or potions.

Ask the Faceless men how useful it is to be able to send people in disguise to infiltrate places.

Ask Varys about the power of good Intel.
Ask the Faceless men how they train their recruits, and to what extent of freedom they're alloted. Ask them of not their successes, but of their failures as well, and what it takes to properly replace a person.

Hey hey, choosing healing doesn't mean we won't get intel. Magic (pretty sure we've already got some sort of illusion magic?) isn't the only way for that, as Varys, one who specifically despises magic, can tell you.
 
Ask the Faceless men how useful it is to be able to send people in disguise to infiltrate places.

Ask Varys about the power of good Intel.

Imagine being able to kill and replace people with none being the wiser

Are we trying to become the king of the Faceless? We need to be an acceptable king, a job which would be made vastly easier by being able to pull an Aragorn. Long term healing is easier to parley into more stable political power
 
[X] Glamour- Through the manipulation of light and shadow a sorcerer can alter the appearance of himself or others. More powerful glamours can seem to lie to the world itself, making lies into truth. Rumors say the Warlocks of Qarth are masters of illusion, and the Faceless Men of Braavos marry glamour to bloodmagic.
 
Imagine being able to kill and replace people with none being the wiser

Glamour alone wouldn't give this to us though. To actually replace a person would require extensive training and high quality information to be able to fake it. Faceless men and glamour is a known thing, so simply looking and sounding like someone wouldn't be enough. You also need the skill in intrigue to fake the personality of the target sufficiently enough, that they have no reason to suspect anything is wrong. The faceless men train hard. They don't just rely on magic.

Glamour also works best when no one knows we have it. Once someone inevitably figures it out even once, the effectiveness will be reduced significantly. If you know your opponent can change appearance, you would take steps to counter that. Distrust of appearance alone. Secret security codes to verify identity. And so on. It's a magic we would have to use with great care, and in limited quantities.

Healing however becomes more useful, the better known we become with it.
 
Why are we so concerned with PR, exactly?

Whatever we do it's gonna be bad since we are a Blackfyre foreigner magi etc. Like Aenar said in the first chapter we should not concern ourselves so much with what the Westerosi lords think and focus on a thorough conquest where we really root out the dissedents from the get go. Aenar is not looking to preserve the shitty choatic status quo of the Seven Kingdoms. He leiterally said Jahaerys could of become an emperor who could of brung the qaurrelsome perty lords to heel.
He will be a foreign conqueror first and foremost, and no matter what all of Westeros is going to despise him. It's be better embrace the bad pr and remake the kingdom with fire and blood like Aenar has go on to record to want.
 
Hey hey, choosing healing doesn't mean we won't get intel. Magic (pretty sure we've already got some sort of illusion magic?) isn't the only way for that, as Varys, one who specifically despises magic, can tell you.
The thing is.... we have skills that Glamour will make work better, whereas Healing will only be useful in certain situations.


We need to be an acceptable king, a job which would be made vastly easier by being able to pull an Aragorn. Long term healing is easier to parley into more stable political power
:lol:

We're Maelys the Monster's grandson, and a Sorcerer to boot, going for the Good PR build is not only not an option, but is blatantly out of character. See chapter 1 for Aenar's opinion of Jaehaerys the Conciliator, the good PR King of the Targs.

Having the ability to manipulate information, frame people, establish alibis, have be in two places at once, etc will serve our intrigue based build far better than trying to about face and become a White Knight king
 
You can go read his For the Living quest for that! Healing just isn't going to be that useful for us here, not with the limitations that the healing branch will be bound to have. If you want good healing then obtaining healing via the One Power is far more preferable to ASOIAF magic healing. Much better to pick something actually useful for immediate use such as glamor magic which will be super useful for the entire quest.
To be truly good at healing with the power you need to truly have a passion about it, like Nyneave and the yellows. Taking healing now might lead to healing with the power. And I really want to see a dragon that can heal. For Rand, it was his greatest weak point in the power. I want to see something different. And it can do wonders to his mental health. And one power healing also opens some of the nastiest offensive weaves there are. Healing was used to stop hearts several times, and do even damage at times.

[X] Healing- Breaking or destroying a thing with magic is much easier than fixing or creating. Still, driven by your father's condition, you sought after a way to cure him. The healing knowledge of the maesters married with many other healing traditions, such as the Godswives of the Great Shepherd of Lhazar, serve as a strong base for healing others.
 
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He will be a foreign conqueror first and foremost, and no matter what all of Westeros is going to despise him. It's be better embrace the bad pr and remake the kingdom with fire and blood like Aenar has go on to record to want.
Well, to start off, it's not what the public thinks of us, but the allies we could gain by it. And wasn't a similar point raised by using blood sorc. ? I doubt all of Westeros would despise him simply for being a Blackfyre. Saving the skin of the Night's Watch (becase you know they can't handle the others) or preventing the deaths of lords soon to come would certainly be helpful.

Like Aenar said in the first chapter we should not concern ourselves so much with what the Westerosi lords think and focus on a thorough conquest where we really root out the dissedents from the get go. Aenar is not looking to preserve the shitty choatic status quo of the Seven Kingdoms.
I'm pretty sure there was a lesson in what he said, compared to what his teacher had. I don't see them as both completely wrong, or both completely right. Rather, bits and pieces of what they said. Aenar, remember, is sitll a child, no matter how strong his magic is and no matter what his birth is, human or not. And it's not likely to remain chaotic under the rule of him, if he does it right. Fire and blood, yes that'll be brung, but a true ruler knows when peace and mercy should be given.

He will not forget his words, but he will not let them overtake him. Look at the last guy who ran to martial the Golden Company to fight Westoeros, and wished to bring fire and blood down upon those who overtook the throne.

Last I heard, he had a crown of gold.
 
We're Maelys the Monster's grandson, and a Sorcerer to boot, going for the Good PR build is not only not an option, but is blatantly out of character. See chapter 1 for Aenar's opinion of Jaehaerys the Conciliator, the good PR King of the Targs.

Having the ability to manipulate information, frame people, establish alibis, have be in two places at once, etc will serve our intrigue based build far better than trying to about face and become a White Knight king

We should probably you know work on that then. You will notice neither Varys nor Bloodraven were ever kings because they would be violently overthrown out of sheer terror, we cannot act like them if we want to be king. That was start with bad PR is all the more reason to get the good PR magic.
 
I'm sure an old lord at the edge of his deathbed ridden with pestilence would be duly grateful for a round of healing.

Really? You want to reduce a King/Emperor Aenar to someone that makes house calls to provide a bit of healing for folks? That's degrading as hell. No amount of gain is worth it when we will have other ways to get what we want. We're going to be a sorcerous foreigner that is a Blackfyre grandson of Maelys the monstrous. We're going to be a conquering king who in chapter 1 had thoughts of total power and breaking the LPs and Wardens of Westeros. We're going to be more of a villain than a beloved hero/king. Act like it I say.

Although it's best for us to base knowledge on it, healing can come as a form of sacrifice as well.

Yes, we don't know everything to know about magic...only Maz knows but it's safe to assume that healing will do jack shit shit regarding dragons. Play it safe rather than hope for something that nothing backs up.

"Scuse me, but I may have overlooked a few things. What in the ever-loving earth is the One Power?

Magic System of Wheel of Time which this story is a crossover with. Way way way better than ASOIAF magic.

Do we know if thats going to be a thing in this quest? Did Maz say something on Discord? Though given how absurd One Power is, it kind of obsoletes much of ASOIAF magics. And based on past experience, also kill the quest.

Dragon (Ta'veren; Max Learning, ???)

Hmm. I wonder what that ??? could be :p

An unseen fire sparks in your chest, for an ephemeral moment, you sense the whisper of something immense, profound. Molten earth, glacial sheets rampage. Fades away. A blazing fire just out of sight. A shadow upon your mind. It fades as one might forget a dream.

Think this might be a sign of the One Power? Either way, it should be a thing though I imagine that without any teachers it will take quite some time to get decent with it.

What's the first thing that comes to mind when you think of fire and healing? A phoenix probably. A creature of fire that rises from death. Healing magic alone wouldn't do the job, but healing and fire when used on a dragon? Might not be so crazy after all.

Sure, there could be unexpected synergies but I don't think fire and healing would have decent synergy. Not with ASOIAF magic.

Depends on how blatantly we use blood magic. If we were reasonably covert about it and didn't start mass sacrificing people for their blood, we could probably avoid the worst of it. And assuming that we want to make any alliances, we would have to do that anyway.

Sooner or later rumors would get out. Heck, I don't even want to hide that Aenar is a magic user for long. We went with a sorcerer of immense talent...having him hide that is no fun. Time to make magic great again in Westeros. Drag them kicking and screaming to a new glorious age of magic.

Doran was just an example. That being said, it could be useful even for Doran. Getting him to like us personally would still be useful, and also make him more effective due to not being so crippled.

There are other ways to make Doran personally liking us than having to heal him. Sure, healing could get us that but so can plenty of other things. Hell, healing may not even get us to be liked by Doran. People can be complex and while healing him wold improve his life so much...he doesn't have to like us at all.

True, but it greatly increases the chances of it. Even OP wouldn't help if they die far away.

Sure, it would increase the chances of saving someone if we are able to get to them and if it is within our ability in the first place. But I see it as one of those benefits where you don't even know if it will be useful.

We need to be an acceptable king

But Aenar isn't going to be an acceptable king. He's going to be an absolute emperor that breaks the power structure of Westeros. :p

Glamour alone wouldn't give this to us though. To actually replace a person would require extensive training and high quality information to be able to fake it. Faceless men and glamour is a known thing, so simply looking and sounding like someone wouldn't be enough. You also need the skill in intrigue to fake the personality of the target sufficiently enough, that they have no reason to suspect anything is wrong. The faceless men train hard. They don't just rely on magic.

Glamour also works best when no one knows we have it. Once someone inevitably figures it out even once, the effectiveness will be reduced significantly. If you know your opponent can change appearance, you would take steps to counter that. Distrust of appearance alone. Secret security codes to verify identity. And so on. It's a magic we would have to use with great care, and in limited quantities.

Healing however becomes more useful, the better known we become with it.

Replacing someone with glamor is indeed a terrible use of it. It's much more preferable to use glamor on our men and have them discreetly go around killing people.
 
We should probably you know work on that then. You will notice neither Varys nor Bloodraven were ever kings because they would be violently overthrown out of sheer terror, we cannot act like them if we want to be king. That was start with bad PR is all the more reason to get the good PR magic.
No thanks, leaning into it and being feared sounds alot more fun, is more practical and fits the character better.

Like.... Daemon was a charismatic and charming leader with good PR, didn't stop Maelys from ripping his head off and taking control of the Golden Company.

For a more recent example, Renly was The King of good PR.... didn't do anything to save him from getting killed by Mel's magic lol

PR is of limited use... I'd rather be better at killing, decieving, etc, especially since we're already good at it.

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Look, there were options at chargen we could have taken if we wanted to be the "Good King"

We chose to go all in on Sorcery. If you think Healing has the most magical potential like blademaster or Kreen fine, to each their own, But the PR angle is a lost cause.
 
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[X] Glamour- Through the manipulation of light and shadow a sorcerer can alter the appearance of himself or others. More powerful glamours can seem to lie to the world itself, making lies into truth. Rumors say the Warlocks of Qarth are masters of illusion, and the Faceless Men of Braavos marry glamour to bloodmagic.

Glamour sounds more fun.
 
[X] Glamour- Through the manipulation of light and shadow a sorcerer can alter the appearance of himself or others. More powerful glamours can seem to lie to the world itself, making lies into truth. Rumors say the Warlocks of Qarth are masters of illusion, and the Faceless Men of Braavos marry glamour to bloodmagic.

This is the Quartheen magic, and we're Quartheen, so it only makes sense that we'd have this.
 
To be truly good at healing with the power you need to truly have a passion about it, like Nyneave and the yellows. Taking healing now might lead to healing with the power. And I really want to see a dragon that can heal. For Rand, it was his greatest weak point in the power. I want to see something different. And it can do wonders to his mental health. And one power healing also opens some of the nastiest offensive weaves there are. Healing was used to stop hearts several times, and do even damage at times.

That's fair.

but a true ruler knows when peace and mercy should be given.

Sure, Aenar can have peace and mercy when all the LPs/Wardens/greater nobility in broken and scattered under his heel. Aenar can then work on improving the lives of the smallfolk.

Look at the last guy who ran to martial the Golden Company to fight Westoeros, and wished to bring fire and blood down upon those who overtook the throne.

Last I heard, he had a crown of gold.

Aenar is not Viserys. Comparing them is exactly good.

We should probably you know work on that then. You will notice neither Varys nor Bloodraven were ever kings because they would be violently overthrown out of sheer terror, we cannot act like them if we want to be king. That was start with bad PR is all the more reason to get the good PR magic.

Varys would be violenty overthrown because of terror? I don't think so, Varys may not be a beloved ruler but he would manage to rule competently just fine. Lol Bloodraven.
 
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