Given this WoG:
I don't see how Dioscuri is relevant. We can't reliably summon them.
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Fate: A Father Above the Grail
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Given this WoG:
UNKNOWN01
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*Sigh*
Alright, see, the problem here is, Archer does cares a lot for the ideals thing, as in, a lot.
He had multiple chances to kill Shirou during the routes, Heaven's Feel for example, once Shirou was without Saber he could have killed him without any single issue before Rin where even capable of thinking of using a Command Seal.
He Hates himself, and Hates Shirou Emiya because he can become him, but above all, he Hates his ideals because they are the reason he is stuck as a Counter-Guardian.
He wants to make sure he doesn't exist by Killing Shirou's ideals, and if that doesn't work, he goes all happy trigger on Shirou because that's a Shirou that can become him, and he hates that shit.
Because Ionioi Hetairoi still has to deal with Gate of Babylon, which is Gil's preffered form of attack.
UBW takes out GoB for a long enough time to EMIYA to kill Gilgamesh before he pulls out Ea and kicks his ass.
Overwhelming attack of raining NP's from basically evey angle, using an NP to break through Gill's armor, there are many ways to do so.
and as we already said, Dioscuri is a bad idea once the QM said that the Grail would interfere.
AnonymousRabbit
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You can not unless this Grail is inherently different souped on something it shouldn't be. Even if the Grail is affected by Avenger, there's nothing he can do to influence the summoning aspect of Dioscuri. The Fuyuki Grail has no means of interfering with their summoning.
It's just this computer software. It's a machine. It has no will. It can't interfere not unless there were hard codes telling that it should interfere with Dioscuri.
Realistically, any famous Japanese person who can fit into multiple classes is a safer bet than Emiya. And that's not even getting into the fact that planning to summon Emiya is a fool's errand since there's plenty of other Servants who are way more likely to appear from a compatibility summon.
Also, the best plan for Gilgamesh is make sure he doesn't give a damn about you.
Also, the best plan for Gilgamesh is make sure he doesn't give a damn about you.
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Which in a normal HGW is a valid strategy, but sadly, Gil is interested in the Grail, so hoping that Gil doesn't attempts to kill someone who threatens something he has interest in is a fools errand.
AnonymousRabbit
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I really think we should use the most out of Illya's ability to maintain a high tier Servant than the joke that Emiya is.
He really doesn't actually care about it al that much. Only in the sense of "it is a treasure, and all treasures belong to me, so anyone trying to take it is a thief".
Trying it blow it up so that nobody can take it (our goal beyond survival) isn't thievery.
If none of the Servants are particularly interesting to him, and the team that looks like it's going to win clearly doesn't actually want the Grail, there's a good chance he'll stay uninvolved.
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While I already said that I'm fine with Saber, I think you genuinely have something against EMIYA.
...Wasn't his goal in UBW Route basically use the Grail to purge all of humanity of the filth or something after he spend 10 years making his judgement?
Certain events lead him to that, but it wasn't his plan from the start.
He wasn't even going to be involved until Kirei did things that made Shinji funny to watch.
And disgust at Shinji in particular is what made him decide to go through with that big purge.
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AnonymousRabbit
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I love EMIYA, he's basically Batman but people have to understand that having him on our side is a bad choice given he'll murder Kid Shirou. Remember that the first moment Archer sees Shirou, he tries/considers to just murder him? That's what's gonna happen to that kid.
He's going to get summoned, see the kid and shoot and not even Illya or Kerry can stop him. That's just how Archer is.
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*Shrugs*
Fair, it's been a while since I played the VN, so I don't remember 100% what led to Gil kicking into the Grail War.
That simplifies EMIYA a little too much, he will if he sees his past self is a self sacrificing idiot and he will kill him right away.
EMIYA cares less about killing Shirou and more about breaking his ideals so he can never become him and probaly also making him suffer a bad time if he has the chance.
But in general, EMIYA hates his ideals and his past self because said ideals.
He could have killed Shirou easily during HF once Saber was out/Mudded.
He could have killed Shirou during one of the main moments that the two of them were along during Fate.
Hell, in UBW he had a clear shot of getting rid of Shirou right away during the Ryoudo temple scene.
In general, while EMIYA is a bad Servant for an idealist Shirou Emiya, a non-idealist Shirou Emiya can be in the same room with him and only find him annoying and dislikeable.
AnonymousRabbit
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Well if you put it that way. Okay, I'll concede. That's fair.
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To be fair, if we attempt to go with the heroism route, I could see EMIYA doing that to save himself troubles in the future.
I just came up with an idea which I think might be kinda perfect.
How about we summon Minamoto no Yorimitsu?
They're a Demon Slayer, who would be very effective against things corrupted by the Grail (aka Gil) and have a variety of super strong Noble Phantasms. They'd also get the enhancement from being summoned in Japan. It's also more interesting than just Archer or Saber again. They even qualify for multiple classes, with Saber being their best one though even as a Berserker they're still pretty great.
If nobody has any objections, then I'll make the plan in a bit.
How about we summon Minamoto no Yorimitsu?
They're a Demon Slayer, who would be very effective against things corrupted by the Grail (aka Gil) and have a variety of super strong Noble Phantasms. They'd also get the enhancement from being summoned in Japan. It's also more interesting than just Archer or Saber again. They even qualify for multiple classes, with Saber being their best one though even as a Berserker they're still pretty great.
If nobody has any objections, then I'll make the plan in a bit.
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UNKNOWN01
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Well, I have no objections,, but for you to know, Gil isn't corrupted by the Grail mud, what happens is that Gil is now incarnaated and that he is mad at humanity because we haven't reached space yet.
Huh, coulda sworn there was a bit there where Gil was corrupted...
Whatever, even if he's not corrupted, she still has the Mystery Slayer skill as a Berserker, and would probably have it as Saber too.
Raikou is a solid choice, who has been mentioned before (including by myself). Also very good for taking care of children.
That's not quite what her mystic slayer stuff is for though. More killing oni and fairies and stuff.
If making a plan for her, make sure to summon in a relevant location
Gil is immune to getting corrupted by the grail, but fanon likes to think he was due to the differences in his behavior between F/Z and F/SN.
Those differences are indeed because he got incarnated at the end of F/Z, but have nothing to do with getting corrupted in the process. It entirely about "the dead have no right to interfere in the affairs of the living" -> "Oh, I'm not dead anymore".
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[X] Plan Demon Slayer
-[X] Aim for a specific class: Saber
-[X] Aim for a specific Heroic Spirit: Minamoto no Yorimitsu
-[X] Change the summoning location to somewhere other than the cursed park: A temple, similar to the one where they were born
-[X] Path of Family, which kept getting ripped away from you.
-[X] Fate, Illya, and Shirou
So, this is my write-in, even though I doubt it'll win this far in. Minamoto is a strong choice, even without the compatibility bonus they get from being summoned in Japan. They're strong against Mystery, with their legend having them taking out creatures such as Shouten-Doji which should give them a bonus against Gilgamesh. Overall, I'm pretty sure this is a good option, with an actually new Servant, compared to Arturia and Archer, and shouldn't have the grail being involved.
-[X] Aim for a specific class: Saber
-[X] Aim for a specific Heroic Spirit: Minamoto no Yorimitsu
-[X] Change the summoning location to somewhere other than the cursed park: A temple, similar to the one where they were born
-[X] Path of Family, which kept getting ripped away from you.
-[X] Fate, Illya, and Shirou
So, this is my write-in, even though I doubt it'll win this far in. Minamoto is a strong choice, even without the compatibility bonus they get from being summoned in Japan. They're strong against Mystery, with their legend having them taking out creatures such as Shouten-Doji which should give them a bonus against Gilgamesh. Overall, I'm pretty sure this is a good option, with an actually new Servant, compared to Arturia and Archer, and shouldn't have the grail being involved.
Technically only new in that the class is different. FGO features the Berserker variant, who is outright surprised that they didn't appear as a Saber.
Either way, if you can get more votes, I'll change mine.
Eh, meant new in the way that they hadn't appeared in the anime before. Speaking of, you think I should try and tag people or would that be a dick move?
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Potentially neat and/or stupid idea: Aim for Taira no Masakado.
The same Masakado that became one of the Three Great Onryō of Japan after his death.
The same Masakado that is still treated with reverence and fear to this day.
The same Masakado who is blamed for several natural disasters across the entirety of Japan.
That Masakado yes.
There are 3 ways i could see it going.
1. He is just as awful as believed and we have effed everyone and everything up.
2. He is an unfortunate victim of Innocent Monster. May have done some bad things while alive, but had absolutely no say in what happened after his death. As such, is an ok dude.
3. A mixture of one and two.
If number 2 or 3, we could very well end up with a Vlad the Inpaler situation, as in he he wants the Grail to erase his bad reputation. Similarly, his "Create Natural Disasters and Curses" might instead be a Noble Phantasm. One he refuses to use. In such a case, dissuading him from taking the Grail could be relatively easy.
Besides his "curse everything" Ability, he probably has some other good stuff as well.
He was the "First Samurai" after all, and in Nasu, the "First" anything is always the best, or at least gets a bunch of goodies.
His actions directly led to the creation of the Shogunate, overthrowing the "Heavenly Emporer". So possibly some kind of Anti-Divinity skill.
Also for Masakado, it is fully possible to just go to his shrine. Not sure if we xould actually pull off a Sunmon there but is worth noting.
But i am fully aware this is still a very risky move so i will actually vote for the much safer:
[X] Plan Demon Slayer
The same Masakado that became one of the Three Great Onryō of Japan after his death.
The same Masakado that is still treated with reverence and fear to this day.
The same Masakado who is blamed for several natural disasters across the entirety of Japan.
That Masakado yes.
There are 3 ways i could see it going.
1. He is just as awful as believed and we have effed everyone and everything up.
2. He is an unfortunate victim of Innocent Monster. May have done some bad things while alive, but had absolutely no say in what happened after his death. As such, is an ok dude.
3. A mixture of one and two.
If number 2 or 3, we could very well end up with a Vlad the Inpaler situation, as in he he wants the Grail to erase his bad reputation. Similarly, his "Create Natural Disasters and Curses" might instead be a Noble Phantasm. One he refuses to use. In such a case, dissuading him from taking the Grail could be relatively easy.
Besides his "curse everything" Ability, he probably has some other good stuff as well.
He was the "First Samurai" after all, and in Nasu, the "First" anything is always the best, or at least gets a bunch of goodies.
His actions directly led to the creation of the Shogunate, overthrowing the "Heavenly Emporer". So possibly some kind of Anti-Divinity skill.
Also for Masakado, it is fully possible to just go to his shrine. Not sure if we xould actually pull off a Sunmon there but is worth noting.
But i am fully aware this is still a very risky move so i will actually vote for the much safer:
[X] Plan Demon Slayer
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It's calmed down, so I'm going to go ahead and tally votes.
Edit: If I can figure out how to use the new vote tally system, since votes are all over the place and more numerous than previously...
Edit: If I can figure out how to use the new vote tally system, since votes are all over the place and more numerous than previously...
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Random Tale
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...I'm still not sure what plan actually won, I mean, the Artoria votes were very divided and under many plan names, so I'm kinda confused here.