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No, SV, You Are the Forest! (Riot Quest)

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[X] Discovery
What's this? Resource tree is looking into learning more? Blasphemy! :p Whilst resource as a gain from them may be helpful short term we still need to learn how to use those resources. Doesn't mean I will stop stockpiling now tho, the storage will last forever!
 
Raising Kittens said:
This represents your opening diplomatic stance. It will be modified or adjusted over the course of this Event. The Forest is uncertain how the Diviner, or the Ingaba Directorate, might respond to any particular stance.

[ ] Aggressive
-The Forest lays claim to this star system.

[ ] Discovery
-The Forest desires knowledge, that it might be better prepared for the trials of the galaxy.

[ ] Expansionist
-The Forest desires more resources, that it might grow more quickly.

[ ] Isolationist
-The Forest desires to be left alone above all else.

[ ] Protection
-The Forest desires to be protected from attack and destruction.
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Here are my thoughts for how the different options might play out.

Aggressive
Right now we currently have no weapons. Nor do we have the ability to grow weapons, or any research that would give us that ability. The closest is something that would let us attack people within the forest; really an aggressive defensive option than an offensive one. The point is, we can't really "lay claim" to anything; we have no means to enforce a claim applied to anything outside of our boundaries.

I suppose we can bluff and posture, but that is all we can do. If anyone challenges us on our claim, we have no answer.

Discovery
Technology would be helpful, no question. We might have to work to get it adapted to crystalware, but getting a boost up our tech tree is undoubtedly helpful.

A minor-to-moderate downside here is that we don't actually know what is worth what, so we are undoubtedly going to get shafted on any sort of tech exchange. We'd still be getting stuff that was valuable to us so we don't lose out exactly, but we are likely to get common and cheap techs by the galaxy's standards in exchange for our rare ones.

Expansionist
Well, it has the benefit of being honest. It has the DOWNSIDE of coming off as potentially threatening, which is less than ideal.

Isolationist
This feels like a poor bargaining position to work with. Consider: the Ingaba are here to copy our tech; if what we want is for the to leave, then it is not clear what sort of negotiations we can have. I suppose they could offer to leave as soon as they get said tech, but arguably they'd do that anyways - so really, we'd be gaining nothing here. Not ideal.

Protection
Risks coming off as weak. Also kinda bad in that presumably the Ingaba would already protect us as long as they were extracting the tech they wanted. Maybe they'd run away if faced with a great enough threat, but I imagine they'd do that even if we can to an agreement. Presumably we could hire them bodyguard-style for after they got their tech, but at that point I'd honestly prefer to get the tech to defend ourselves instead.



[X] Discovery
 
My thinking is as follows:

Discovery: More options for research in trade for letting them study us, votes get spread more, less gets done.
Expansionist: More resources are provided in exchange for analysis opportunities, fewer successes to finish things, more gets done.
 
[X] Discovery
-The Forest desires knowledge, that it might be better prepared for the trials of the galaxy.

Something something, Sun Tzu, something something, know your enemies and yourself, yadda yadda.

If playing Stellaris has taught me anything, it's that if you can bump your research to ridiculous levels everything else becomes easier.
 
[X] Discovery

Just knowledge of the factions around would let us better adapt and plan.
 
[X] Protection

In strategy games, the early game is typically the most dangerous, since allies are few and defenses are so often lacking.

The Forest already has a number of promising tech paths available to it, and the means to accelerate its own growth, but currently has very little in terms of active defenses. Eventually, it will be a fortress capable of fending off the strongest fleets, but that time is still a ways off. Anything that helps the Forest survive until it can properly defend itself is welcome.
 
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My Brethren Crystals, please: we must not show these...creatures weakness, especially when their first real attempt at interaction with us was them attempting to destroy us. Should we let them think us soft and forgiving like the meat that forms their bodies, they will no doubt take advantage of us.
 
Sapient_Ham said:
[X] Protection

In strategy games, the early game is typically the most dangerous, since allies are few and defenses are so often lacking.

The Forest already has a number of promising tech paths available to it, and the means to accelerate its own growth, but currently has very little in terms of active defenses. Eventually, it will be a fortress capable of fending off the strongest fleets, but that time is still a ways off. Anything that helps the Forest survive until it can properly defend itself is welcome.
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They already have an incentive to protect us - because, as you say, we have various tech lines open to us which we can drip feed them as we gain it ourselves. So if they want to keep getting this golden goose's eggs, they better make sure they don't let anyone else steal or destroy it.

Bottom line, I don't think we should make our main demand be something we can get for free. I'm picking discovery not just for the tech they can give directly, but for the instrumentation and expertise they can lend towards accelerating our own native research. Not merely just keeping that science vessel parked here, but getting to ask it to do specific scans at our request - or even to send out missions to promising places elsewhere.
 
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Prime 2.0 said:
They already have an incentive to protect us - because, as you say, we have various tech lines open to us which we can drip feed them as we gain it ourselves. So if they want to keep getting this golden goose's eggs, they better make sure they don't let anyone else steal or destroy it.
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Furthermore, it should not be us, the rightful inheritors of the cosmos forged of perfect, permanent crystal, asking for their protection, it should be them, the mewling, finite, flawed creatures of disgusting, temporary meat, asking for our protection.
 
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