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(Alternate History) The Second Sino-Japanese War
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[X] Military Attaché to the British Empire (English speaker, Connections)
The Anglo-Japanese Alliance has served us well.
The Anglo-Japanese Alliance has served us well.
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On second thought.
[X] Military Observer in the French Civil War (Army, ???)
*sigh* Let's save the socdems then.
[X] Military Attaché to the British Empire (English speaker, Connections)
[X] Military Observer in the French Civil War (Army, ???)
*sigh* Let's save the socdems then.
[X] Military Attaché to the British Empire (English speaker, Connections)
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Goodness, all of this is... a bit tempting:
Military-wise, this does mean that we would probably give the Empire a focus on specialized infantry regiment/corps and an independent air force...
...which mean that we might be the one to kickstart an earlier version of the SAS with our input, or something akin to that.
Of course, this also paves the way to make both side of the ocean to not be twitchy for any WW2 tension. Because you just know that 'some silly thing' is going to happen in the Phillipines. This mitigates that by a good chunk if we can get the xenophobes a bit out of the steering wheel.
In this, we don't have much to share with Germany. We've already granted them Creeping Barrage but as the driving force for combined arms, there's some use to us being here. A posting here would be relatively mellow until it isn't.
The doctrines to test here... actually, I don't know. I suppose it would be fortification and arty focus here because unless we get production centres to roll out tanks and Arm. Cars to the field, it's a holding game for us.
Of course here would be where we decide to make a repeat of the 2nd Sino-Japanese War. Great plains of nothing just fresh out of Winter and into Spring, a lot of possible rabble armed suboptimally and us with all the Arm. Cars, proto-tanks, and planes but with few actual ground troops. A great success here would lead to a significant warm-up of relations with Russia... provided that we didn't get shanked by irate Russian assassins.
In sum though, I think the most interesting option for me would be:
[X] Military Attaché to the United States (English speaker)
With the reasoning above, I want to anger the xenophobes and get friendship through superior firepower. Should be fun whether we succeed or fail~
This option is a straightforward one which effects are more or less predictable in a global scale. The Nichieikankei is a solid relation and there's so much that we can wave away. We might be able to get ITL's League of Nation do in with the
racial equality and snub the White Australia policy. We would probably also push for better position on the Washington Naval Conference, if that's even going to happen ITL.Military-wise, this does mean that we would probably give the Empire a focus on specialized infantry regiment/corps and an independent air force...
...which mean that we might be the one to kickstart an earlier version of the SAS with our input, or something akin to that.
Half the fun here would be to just swipe the racists and tweak their noses with our very presence. The other half would be to watch the embroiling Presidential Race go off with popcorn in hand. But duty wise, our focus on Creeping Barrage and proto-tanks would probably be the thing that US be most interested on. This means that we'd get some trickle of that effort in better arty and vehicles.
Of course, this also paves the way to make both side of the ocean to not be twitchy for any WW2 tension. Because you just know that 'some silly thing' is going to happen in the Phillipines. This mitigates that by a good chunk if we can get the xenophobes a bit out of the steering wheel.
This is interesting in a different way. There's actually three flashpoints, rather than two. The Austria-Hungary might just be the Austrian Empire sooner than later because ho boy, there's no love lost after how the Hungarian nobility has been conducting itself. It might be a quick flashpoint but well, more so than America, here is where we get the popcorn out.
In this, we don't have much to share with Germany. We've already granted them Creeping Barrage but as the driving force for combined arms, there's some use to us being here. A posting here would be relatively mellow until it isn't.
The mystery box here is a mystery box. France disintegrating would be... a bad thing. I am unsure what pull we could do here but it would definitely a net enough positive for anyone we back during the chaos. This is also probably where we can stress-test our doctrines. If things do get bad enough, we might be able to carve out some possessions in the French Indochina, with the assent of whomever we back but lose/win.
The doctrines to test here... actually, I don't know. I suppose it would be fortification and arty focus here because unless we get production centres to roll out tanks and Arm. Cars to the field, it's a holding game for us.
Of all, more so than the FCW option, this is the option that does away with any sort of geopolitical subtlety and the one that really would send some ripples. There's really no love lost between us and Russia as geopolitical allies and the decision to back either White or Green can be... interesting, depending on the remit given to us.
Of course here would be where we decide to make a repeat of the 2nd Sino-Japanese War. Great plains of nothing just fresh out of Winter and into Spring, a lot of possible rabble armed suboptimally and us with all the Arm. Cars, proto-tanks, and planes but with few actual ground troops. A great success here would lead to a significant warm-up of relations with Russia... provided that we didn't get shanked by irate Russian assassins.
In sum though, I think the most interesting option for me would be:
[X] Military Attaché to the United States (English speaker)
With the reasoning above, I want to anger the xenophobes and get friendship through superior firepower. Should be fun whether we succeed or fail~
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[X] Military Attaché to the United States (English speaker)
I want to avoid the original timeline as hard as possible, and also tweak the racists. Japan should make all effort to befriend the USA.
I want to avoid the original timeline as hard as possible, and also tweak the racists. Japan should make all effort to befriend the USA.
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Ooh, this quest is still going! How exciting!
[X] Military Attaché to the British Empire (English speaker, Connections)
I think the Brits will be the most interesting and also the most helpful for Japan and world peace. Whatever happens on whatever continents, we're both island nations. And I really don't want to deal with American racism. The Americans are in peacetime (right?), and they're underfunded, and not crazy competent, so I'd rather not go to a backwater.
[X] Military Attaché to the British Empire (English speaker, Connections)
I think the Brits will be the most interesting and also the most helpful for Japan and world peace. Whatever happens on whatever continents, we're both island nations. And I really don't want to deal with American racism. The Americans are in peacetime (right?), and they're underfunded, and not crazy competent, so I'd rather not go to a backwater.
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KlinkerKing
Man bites dog?
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It's still going to be 1916, so racism is kinda unavoidable... But American racists are more powerful and more socially accepted. In the other countries, you're either native, colonial, or foreign, and that's the major distinctions they make.
The U.S. Navy is quite large at this point, but their ground forces are anemic and the navy lacks many of the things that would make it formidable in 1945, and retains many of the things that made it a bit of a disaster in 1941 (underfunded weapon testing, for instance, is a terrible idea). Of course they've also yet to go down the weird-ass route of Super Heavy shells with tiny explosive charges.
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Yeah, the way I see it, basically everything we do in America is going to be harder because of how deep and strong the racism is. Because Britian is a huge multi-national empire, I predict that we could much more quickly gain respect and then transfer that respect onto Japan, in America that's way harder.
We're an expert on ground forces, and the American army is the least relevant of their forces, little to work with, and I vaguely have the impression that the American military at this time is pretty confident and isn't going to be receptive to <ethnic slur>'s trying to tell them what to do. That's not even mentioning if we try to influence their Navy.
It's going to be difficult, and the rewards are going to be much lesser than if we cozy up with Britain, since America trends towards isolationism. Tweaking racists might be satisfying but we're not going to instigate social change, but we totally can help build world peace.
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[X] Military Attaché to the United States (English speaker)
Britain is boring, we are an Army man and helping the Navy is not our wheelhouse. France, Germany, and Russia are all interesting for various reasons but I like America here. They are our biggest neighbor who can actually project force to us and getting a detente would be good. Also, let's meet TR!
Britain is boring, we are an Army man and helping the Navy is not our wheelhouse. France, Germany, and Russia are all interesting for various reasons but I like America here. They are our biggest neighbor who can actually project force to us and getting a detente would be good. Also, let's meet TR!
One of the... shall we say, main Alt. History thread — anyone else with the knowledge can gainsay me if I am wrong — that interfacing with the US can pull would be the fact that the second proponent of the repeal of the
racial equality clause that Japanese put forth was well, Woodrow Wilson. And for all that we're a [DATED SLUR] in the eyes of the American politico and conscious, we're also a war hero who managed to beat back the [EQUALLY DATED SLUR FOR THE CHINESE] and in this, we're probably considered 'one of the good ones'. And that's an in.Of course, the compounding reason why America went isolationist — and also Japanese moving rightward — is because of the ditty known as the Great Depression. Here, that's not gonna happen with both America and Britain going strong. The winds of change are already in the air with how the War of the Five Empires differ from OTL.
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- Texas
[X] Military Observer in the Russian Civil War (Army)
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- USA
[X] Military Attaché to the United States (English speaker)
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
[X] Military Observer in the French Civil War (Army, ???)
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- Hawaii
[X] Military Attaché to the British Empire (English speaker, Connections)
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- Fort Worth, TX
[X] Military Attaché to the British Empire (English speaker, Connections)
based on the options presented if you want to deal with securing our position in the pacific either go to Britain to maintain the Anglo-Japanese alliance as a counter to US ambitions in the Pacific or to the US and try to reach some understanding with them.
for military adventures we can go to France or Russia. France has the opportunity of gaining some influence in IndoChina. Russia give us the of opportunity of getting Siberia in our sphere of influence if the reds win and generally good relations with Russia if the faction we back wins, additionally we can sell arms to Russia to help cushion any post war recession Japan may experience.
For Germany you have an opportunity to further refine our military doctrines by comparing what worked and didn't work in both our respective wars. politically Germany has no real impact in the pacific though does present some opportunities to acquiring some German holdings in the pacific if they are in a need for some hard cash.
for military adventures we can go to France or Russia. France has the opportunity of gaining some influence in IndoChina. Russia give us the of opportunity of getting Siberia in our sphere of influence if the reds win and generally good relations with Russia if the faction we back wins, additionally we can sell arms to Russia to help cushion any post war recession Japan may experience.
For Germany you have an opportunity to further refine our military doctrines by comparing what worked and didn't work in both our respective wars. politically Germany has no real impact in the pacific though does present some opportunities to acquiring some German holdings in the pacific if they are in a need for some hard cash.
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Some info from the discord which I feel might be relevant to the thread:
OshhaToday at 20:25
How good are German-British relations right now?
KlinkerKingToday at 20:25
Good, but on fire.
KlinkerKingToday at 20:26
Basically, Kaiser Bill and Germany got a lot of good press for avenging British sailors
KlinkerKingToday at 20:26
But the French debacle and the HSF has not helped things
and also:
KlinkerKingToday at 20:23
America's already angling to fuck up the Anglo-Japanese alliance though
OshhaToday at 20:25
How good are German-British relations right now?
KlinkerKingToday at 20:25
Good, but on fire.
KlinkerKingToday at 20:26
Basically, Kaiser Bill and Germany got a lot of good press for avenging British sailors
KlinkerKingToday at 20:26
But the French debacle and the HSF has not helped things
and also:
KlinkerKingToday at 20:23
America's already angling to fuck up the Anglo-Japanese alliance though
[X] Military Attaché to the British Empire (English speaker, Connections)
KlinkerKing
Man bites dog?
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To expand on this, the Anglo-Japanese alliance has been a thorn in America's Pacific ambitions, not to mention their constant underestimation of Japan due to xenophobia and exceptionalism makes them less likely to care about ticking them off, and as a result... well, OTL. Australia (and later Canada) were also influential in this, as they had their own "yellow panic" over a Japanese invasion.