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DeAnno said:
"As currently envisioned, the spell would allow me to process data from all video cameras in Sunnydale, parallelized in virtual universes for optimal computation efficiency," CyberWillow said, interjecting herself into the conversation again. "While even then, I could not effectively pay attention to everything at once, using proper algorithms for border prioritization and facial recognition it would be unlikely that the assassins we already have on file could escape my notice within the city."
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Another step on the "Build your own Supervillain" road that Willow has been down for this season?

[X] Buffy plans an all out assault on Wolfram and Hart's assassins in LA. If this war's escalation is inevitable, better to strike first, and Congressman Gold should at least be able to keep the LA authorities out of it.

This sounds sensible. Making the middle management understand that fighting us costs more than it gets is the only thing they can understand.
 
[X] Buffy plans an all out assault on Wolfram and Hart's assassins in LA. If this war's escalation is inevitable, better to strike first, and Congressman Gold should at least be able to keep the LA authorities out of it.

Time to rake in the Danegeld.
 
[X] Buffy calls Holland Manners and starts negotiations. She's in a strong position with her polling lead and the threat of Willow's hacking, maybe she can convince him to leave well enough alone.

Show that we can be talked to and paste those who refuse. Natural selection ensues
 
The box of Gavrok surveillance web is probably a terrible terrible idea, but I doubt it is one that is going to go away just because we said no now during the summer. Some day things are going to get bad enough that we have to consider that, perhaps for finding Adam, and things will really hit the fan a few weeks or months later.

Lindsey dumping his phone is kind of hilarious to me, sure it cuts off our information there but a law firm having to operate without cell phones and maybe without a lot of its computers just sounds like such a goddamn disaster, and I doubt they restricted that to just their field operatives. Time for them to go back to paper.

[X] Buffy plans an all out assault on Wolfram and Hart's assassins in LA. If this war's escalation is inevitable, better to strike first, and Congressman Gold should at least be able to keep the LA authorities out of it.
 
Elorie said:
Also check out how dark some of the lawyers are, and dispose of the worst few (Wilkins level unpleasant people) as a warning gesture, as time and manpower allows.
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I do not think we've made an attempt on human life yet. Even Wilkins was killed after he turned into a demon, and most villains were disposed in self-defense, often as a result of their own actions backfiring against them. I am not sure I can recall Buffy ever being proactive about planning one.

There isn't a lot of meaningful difference between a demon and a human, but that is still a line we haven't crossed yet... although we stepped on it with the execution of Teeth. Murder was always a big deal in the original series; from Faith's accidental killing of Allan Finch to Giles' strangling of Glory/Ben.

I kinda want it to happen eventually, if only to hear Wilkins gloat Palpatine-style (he is easily the best out of secondary characters and I enjoy their conversations very much), but I'd like it to happen for a better reason than "because we could".

[x] Buffy calls Holland Manners and starts negotiations. She's in a strong position with her polling lead and the threat of Willow's hacking, maybe she can convince him to leave well enough alone.
 
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[X] Buffy plans an all out assault on Wolfram and Hart's assassins in LA. If this war's escalation is inevitable, better to strike first, and Congressman Gold should at least be able to keep the LA authorities out of it.
 
Nevill said:
I do not think we've made an attempt on human life yet. Even Wilkins was killed after he turned into a demon, and most villains were disposed in self-defense, often as a result of their own actions backfiring against them. I am not sure I can recall Buffy being ever proactive about planning one.

There isn't a lot of meaningful difference between a demon and a human, but that is still a line we haven't crossed yet... although we stepped on it with the execution of Teeth. Murder was always a big deal in the original series; from Faith's accidental killing of Allan Finch to Giles' strangling of Glory/Ben.
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Buffy killed the zookeeper that put hyena spirits into a bunch of kids in season 1. She tossed him into a pit full of hyenas. The dividing line never seemed to be that she couldn't kill humans, but that she didn't kill civilian humans. Iirc she later killed a few of the knights Glory was fighting in an alley and didn't shed a tear, but once she thought she had killed Katrina she had a total breakdown. The knights attacked her, and that was all it took to move across the line.

EDIT: Not that I think this is really the time to be killing human lawyers. I don't think there is that much to gain from it, they should get the message from their assassins dying in droves.
 
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Nevill said:
I do not think we've made an attempt on human life yet. Even Wilkins was killed after he turned into a demon, and most villains were disposed in self-defense, often as a result of their own actions backfiring against them. I am not sure I can recall Buffy ever being proactive about planning one.

There isn't a lot of meaningful difference between a demon and a human, but that is still a line we haven't crossed yet... although we stepped on it with the execution of Teeth. Murder was always a big deal in the original series; from Faith's accidental killing of Allan Finch to Giles' strangling of Glory/Ben.

I kinda want it to happen eventually, if only to hear Wilkins gloat Palpatine-style (he is easily the best out of secondary characters and I enjoy their conversations very much), but I'd like it to happen for a better reason than "because we could".
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Well, as I wrote, the ideal way to do it would be to get WAH into a tussle with a third party. Surely they have plenty of enemies...
 
[X] Buffy calls Holland Manners and starts negotiations. She's in a strong position with her polling lead and the threat of Willow's hacking, maybe she can convince him to leave well enough alone.

Angel can and did handle the stuff in LA, so it should be fine to use this method.
 
[x] Buffy plans an all out assault on Wolfram and Hart's assassins in LA. If this war's escalation is inevitable, better to strike first, and Congressman Gold should at least be able to keep the LA authorities out of it.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Nurgle on Oct 2, 2019 at 9:59 AM, finished with 12 posts and 10 votes.
  • [X] Buffy plans an all out assault on Wolfram and Hart's assassins in LA. If this war's escalation is inevitable, better to strike first, and Congressman Gold should at least be able to keep the LA authorities out of it.
    [X] Buffy calls Holland Manners and starts negotiations. She's in a strong position with her polling lead and the threat of Willow's hacking, maybe she can convince him to leave well enough alone.
    [X] Buffy goes high. The girl in the audience was an activist Willow had met at UC Sunnydale. "Ms. Summers' administration already has several women in prominent positions, and she's supporting Juan Cortez for city council, one of our nation's many successful immigrants. Will you show the same commitment to inclusivity and multiculturalism?"
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[x] Buffy calls Holland Manners and starts negotiations. She's in a strong position with her polling lead and the threat of Willow's hacking, maybe she can convince him to leave well enough alone.
 
[X] Buffy calls Holland Manners and starts negotiations. She's in a strong position with her polling lead and the threat of Willow's hacking, maybe she can convince him to leave well enough alone.
 
[x] Buffy plans an all out assault on Wolfram and Hart's assassins in LA. If this war's escalation is inevitable, better to strike first, and Congressman Gold should at least be able to keep the LA authorities out of it.
 
[X] Buffy calls Holland Manners and starts negotiations. She's in a strong position with her polling lead and the threat of Willow's hacking, maybe she can convince him to leave well enough alone.

Convinced to change my vote
 
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Ok the way I see we need to negotiate the same way Angel did when Conner was born. We need to murder all the agents and other players on the board and let Manners know that if anything happens to Buffy's people He will suffer for it. Also Buffy needs to point out that she can actually go through with her threat. Which is why I am voting for the all out assault. Yes it will paint Buffy as a warlord but we have not been letting Buffy's inner slayer instinct out. Can't let that build up may end up with Buffy going insane.

One very important thing that was introduced in the series over and over is that Buffy needs her people. When her mutant self was seeing her life from another dimension the Therapist talked about how Buffy created a group of friends and Dawn as a family and support system for herself. Or the episode where a demon got Buffy to believe that she made her friends up so she would not be alone. Buffy was the most successful slayer not because she was the best slayer but because she had friends family and allies. Killing any threat to her friends family and allies will send a huge message not just to Wolf Ram and Hart but all the players on the west coast not to mess with her loved ones.
 
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The issue with calling is it totally cedes our informational advantage for not much in return. Right now we're in a strong position to sweep the board and give terms in a commanding position. If we just call then they can change things around and make more of our knowledge useless, even if they agree to back off for a little bit in the long term it doesn't help as much.
 
[x] Buffy calls Holland Manners and starts negotiations. She's in a strong position with her polling lead and the threat of Willow's hacking, maybe she can convince him to leave well enough alone.
 
[X] Buffy plans an all out assault on Wolfram and Hart's assassins in LA. If this war's escalation is inevitable, better to strike first, and Congressman Gold should at least be able to keep the LA authorities out of it.

Any negotiations with WRH won't be honest unless there's a huge pile of bodies on the floor of the meeting room. Calling Manners would have this slaughter, just with less initiative on Buffy's part.
 
[X] Buffy plans an all out assault on Wolfram and Hart's assassins in LA. If this war's escalation is inevitable, better to strike first, and Congressman Gold should at least be able to keep the LA authorities out of it.
 
I'm gonna call this in 12 hours. Still a healthy race, though for some reason people don't seem to be interested in casting rituals today.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Another step on the "Build your own Supervillain" road that Willow has been down for this season?
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Yeah, it does seem that way, though I think we still have a while till that becomes a thing, like season 5 or so. I'm still convinced that just for irony sake that it'll be Cyber Willow who tries to warn us about Willow, only for her to trick us and think that the computer program went off the rails, only for us to inevitably find out about how supervillain-esque Willow has become after we stop Cyber Willow

DeAnno said:
though for some reason people don't seem to be interested in casting rituals today.
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I am actually interested in it, but it just seems a little too risky for the moment. I like the option though, and I'm sure we'll find a time to implement it.

[X] Buffy plans an all out assault on Wolfram and Hart's assassins in LA. If this war's escalation is inevitable, better to strike first, and Congressman Gold should at least be able to keep the LA authorities out of it.
 
DeAnno said:
I'm gonna call this in 12 hours. Still a healthy race, though for some reason people don't seem to be interested in casting rituals today.
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You mean the evil ritual that will send willow even more down a evil slipper slop?

@DeAnno can we kill the assassins and loot? You know if the assassins just happen to keep a treasure trouble where they love or banking information easily available.
 
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