@DeAnno How much of a difference did shooting in Sunnydale and having local magical and demonic help actually help Cortez? He seemed very all in so I assume a lot, but I couldn't really gauge how much.

Cortez had a reputation as someone who did a very good job writing and directing low budget B movies. With his successes in the past his budgets and resources have climbed a bit but usually are still in the single-digit-millions dollar range with restrained effects budgets made to work with good stylistic choices.

Using computer graphics studios to produce convincing special effects ala Jurassic Park in this era was incredibly expensive, and not something Cortez had used at all in the past. The quality and quantity of effects Sunnydale was able to provide cheaply through demons, illusions, and footage of the Satyr incident is a massive step up from what he had to work with before, and in fact that (and also Buffy being more available this week due to this being the weekly disaster) influenced some huge plot rewrites to take advantage of it all.

Ultimately a lot of the value Cortez extracted was from being able to fit his script to the demons and situation he had at hand; the only more malleable resource available was Jonathan's illusions, and the larger ones like the starfighter take him some time and effort to set up. (Jonathan is more specialized in that field than he was in canon, mostly due to the size and content of the scavenged Wilkins library.)

We have to get a copy of this movie and maybe we can also send a copy to Angel as well.

As a side note, filming will continue on in the background for another month or two; most of Buffy's scenes were shot this week specifically because she'll become more busy soon.
 
"Imagine Sunnydale, not as the set of one movie, but of many! You have the scenic views, the open warehousing for sets, the abundance of talent, everything that made Hollywood what it is. I have even read about the boom in the '20s, when your Richard the First fostered the industry here. We could bring it all back."
What? No. No way.

[x] Juan Cortez should run for the city council.
[x] Juan Cortez should run for the city council.
[x] Juan Cortez should run for the city council.

I don't think I can press the vote button hard enough.
 
I wonder if Carl is looking at this movie as a good thing or a bad thing for him. On one hand his competitor just brought a movie to sunnydale that apparently benefited its economy to some degree. On the other hand Buffy getting herself and a good friend of hers lead roles in a film, and a bunch of minor parts for a bunch of other kids she knows really looks like someone trying to set herself up for future success and maybe have some fun while she can.
 
I wonder if Carl is looking at this movie as a good thing or a bad thing for him. On one hand his competitor just brought a movie to sunnydale that apparently benefited its economy to some degree. On the other hand Buffy getting herself and a good friend of hers lead roles in a film, and a bunch of minor parts for a bunch of other kids she knows really looks like someone trying to set herself up for future success and maybe have some fun while she can.

I think it's more of a bad thing than a good one. Juan has a desire to make films in Sunnydale thanks to Buffy, which will boost the economy. At the end of the day, that's what people are going to remember, which is bad for Carl as that's where he's trying to convince the people that we can't manage as a mayor outside of 'crime' control. The more we do to break past that image he's painting, the better. He'll probably try to spin it some way to do damage control, but that's the best he's getting from this. Overall, I don't think that this will help Carl.
 
Debate time is coming up.

Since Debates are coming up, we need to discuss our strategy in the debates and the likely strategy of our esteemed opponent.

One of the major things, we will likely have to deal with in the debates, is attacks based around our rather chequered past/permanent record. After all some of our actions in the past (such as being expelled from Hemery High for burning down the gym), would greatly damage our image as "Ms. Law and Order".

Edit: What do the people who used to attend Hemery High with us think, when they heard that we had become the (Interim) Mayor of Sunnydale?
 
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Since Debates are coming up, we need to discuss our strategy in the debates and the likely strategy of our esteemed opponent.

One of the major things, we will likely have to deal with in the debates, is attacks based around our rather chequered past/permanent record. After all some of our actions in the past (such as being expelled from Hemery High for burning down the gym), would greatly damage our image as "Ms. Law and Order".

Edit: What do the people who used to attend Hemery High with us think, when they heard that we had become the Mayor of Sunnydale?

Hmm, that's a good point. Also, are they allowed to look up our criminal record? I imagine they can't look up our school record that well with everything being destroyed there. Our criminal record would be for things when we were a juvenile. I don't know enough about American law to know if they're actually allowed to look up our record/if we can get it expunged. I'd also imagine such a request would go through the police and I'd hope that they'd at least tell us if our opponent did that.

Debates are going to be difficult. He's had a couple months to dig up anything he wants on us, while we don't really have anything we know about him. On the flip side though, he's coming in as someone with big claims for help, but hasn't done anything yet, whereas we actually have made improvements to the town (some of them even noticeable to regular society and not just ending demons and the like). The biggest thing I'm worried about is the support Wolfram & Hart offer. They have a lot of resources at their disposal, though they're hardly going to be using all of them against us here. I just can't guess from which angle they're going to try and attack us from.
 
I'm trying to picture watching a grown man attack his teenage girl opponent with the time she was forcibly committed to an asylum by her actively divorcing parents. Wait, I can picture that easily, what I can't picture is someone doing that and having it go well for them. There aren't even political parties involved to help people rally around doing this. It doesn't really fit with what Gervais has presented himself as so far. It would be a pretty big desperation move to try that in a debate, and if he does it then I think we basically have the victory locked in, because there is no way we couldn't spin that away with any degree of time between the debates and the election itself. I'm more worried that that gets dropped like, two days out and there is no time for damage control.
 
I'm trying to picture watching a grown man attack his teenage girl opponent with the time she was forcibly committed to an asylum

I hardly think it'll be his first move, but it might be something he'd pull to claim that we aren't the best choice to lead the town. I'm not sure what 'big failings' he can try and contrive to make it look like we aren't mentally competent to lead the city, but it might be something to watch for at least. Like you say, he could drop it near the end, but that feels like a move you want to build up to. So long as we catch any events or incidents he tries to use against us early on that he could tie into and strengthen that, I don't think he'll use it.
 
Our criminal record would be for things when we were a juvenile. I don't know enough about American law to know if they're actually allowed to look up our record/if we can get it expunged. I'd also imagine such a request would go through the police and I'd hope that they'd at least tell us if our opponent did that.
If he were getting them through normal channels, the records would be hard to get. All bets are off with Wolfram & Hart's backing, though in
 
[x] Juan Cortez should run for the city council.

Still saving one for Giles but this works

As an aside since I just started and caught up:

First off, I love this story! It scratches a very particular niche of characters who get their powers and actually use them to improve their mundane lives. A lot of the time in stories like this, characters try to keep their two lives separate and thus their lives actually become worse (I blame spiderman), but this avoids that particular pitfall.

Combining Buffy's mundane life with her supernatural one creates a much more interesting dynamic which both improves her life and creates new and interesting challenges which I really appreciate.

In addition, the author has gotten thr Buffy character's voices down pat, and I love the focus on some of the more minor characters like Harmony and Anya
 
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S3.5E12: Talking Points I
[X] Juan Cortez should run for the city council.

S3.5E12: Talking Points

"So, Congressman, is this when I get inducted into the worldwide conspiracy?" Charles Gold, Ian's older relative and bigshot politician, had requested a mostly private meeting and even though Buffy was being flippant, she knew something big was up. Ian (and Vanessa) had been dancing around the subject of his family's influence for weeks, and Buffy hadn't pried. She'd figured it would come up eventually, and there had been enough problems on offer without inviting more. When she'd met the Congressman yesterday though, he'd had suspiciously clammy hands, just like Ian and his cousin Jeff, and she had a pretty good guess what was actually going on.

Ian looked a little worried at how casual she was being, but Gold just laughed. He was the kind of jovial old guy she imagined would be constantly smoking a cigar, even if he wasn't actually doing it. "I'm afraid it's nothing so grandiose. I will ask though, that your associate complete the lockdown of the room as discussed before we start. We take confidentiality about this very seriously."

"One Information Horizon coming right up, with newly added accessories." Willow was the last occupant of the conference room, and Buffy had been a little surprised she'd been the one to specifically be invited, privacy spells or no. Willow'd been doing a lot lately, but she wasn't running for City Council like Anya.

"You've addressed the sensor ghost you mentioned before?" Ian asked.

"It's definitely just one of Wilkins' leftovers." Willow was speaking confidently as she typed on her laptop. "I ran a time dependency analysis and it's more than a decade old, plus some of the arcane signatures are a partial match for work I've seen of his elsewhere. But I figured out a way to block it for this anyway, at least temporarily." Buffy saw the squiggly graphs do their computery things on the laptop, and Willow just clicked most of them away before creating a mirror image of the last one left. They cancelled out, and Willow said, "There. We're less likely to be overheard in here than in the depths of the Pentagon. At least as far as I know."

"Ian told me you're a technopagan?" Gold asked, seeming not quite sure of the word. "What I've heard of you seems rather more… accomplished, than what I'd thought they were capable of."

"I learned a lot from one," Willow said. "I have more resources than most of them have to work with though. The UC Sunnydale supercomputers are top tier, and the Wilkins leftovers have been more applicable than you'd think."

"The wave of the future I guess. You wouldn't believe the runework that goes into a nice basement. But we should get down to the brass tacks," Gold turned to Buffy. "I think you've got a pretty damn good chance of winning this thing. From what I see of Ian's poll numbers and what I saw happen in the council debate yesterday, I think Ian's chances are pretty good too. I've talked your situation over with some of our best people, and we think it's worth putting our cards on the table. Provided you can still agree to confidentiality, of course?"

"Even if you tell me something that mandates I slay you, I'll do it very quietly," Buffy assured him.

"I can keep a secret," Willow said for her part. "I can keep secrets so well that I won't even give an example of a secret I've kept."

Ian blanched again, like a kid embarrassed by his friends meeting his parents, but Gold just nodded and continued. "As I believe Ms. Summers already suspects, our clan are demonic in origin. What we endeavor to keep completely secret though is that we're Reptilians."

"You mean, lizard people?" Buffy asked surprisedly. "I thought that was just a myth. Like leprechauns! Not that there's anything wrong with that."

"Nothing at all. In fact, that's exactly the intention." Gold said calmly.

"But I've never even seen Ian go all… scaly," Buffy said. "Not even once! Willow, you haven't ever-?"

"Nope," she said. "I didn't have any idea. He'd been perfect."

"It's not actually like it is for most demons," Ian said. "We don't just change at will or in response to stress; these are very well cultivated masks."

"I guess that's sort of safer? As long as you don't get into many fights at least." Buffy said. "But probably majorly uncomfortable."

"They breathe very well," he replied.

"OK, so Reptilians," Willow said. "Great. But if the rest of the conspiracy theory about you wanting to rule over the whole world was true I don't think we'd be the sort of people you'd tell? World domination tends to go over poorly with this crowd."

"Well, the rumors are intended to be a smokescreen. In reality our goals are far more reasonable. I might even call them conservative, but that kind of language could rile up some of my constituents," Gold chuckled at his own joke. "Our extended clan has inhabited this region of Earth for a very, very long time. We were some of the first demons to colonize."

"Wait, Giles always talked about the untold eons of demons walking the Earth. Do you mean before that?" Buffy asked.

"No, no, I mean, I guess you could call it a recolonization, if you were being pedantic," he said. "I mean after that, after the Sundering. Demons were thin on the ground in this dimension for a long time. How else do you think humans got so established here?"

"I think I've seen a couple of Wilkins' books mention that before," Willow said. Buffy definitely hadn't, but she didn't read as much. "You mean after the Old Ones all vanished?"

"When the dimensions broke up," he explained. "It's ancient history, even by demon standards, so in your … more applied line of work, I can understand how it wouldn't come up much."

"Oh," Willow said. "So that's what that meant. I was going to ask Giles about it but we've all been so busy lately, I never think of it when he's around." She paused and then looked at her laptop. "CyberWillow, remind me to ask Giles about the Sundering next time I see him."

"OK. But should I remind you about that before or after I remind you to argue with him about the time budgeting for the museum archival?" her voice echoed from the computer.

Gold's eyebrows shot up, but Ian said, "That's just her program."

"Is it a familiar?" Gold asked warily. "Or she? She's very…"

"Realistic?" Buffy asked.

"That. She isn't a security risk is she?" Gold asked.

"Of course not," Willow said easily. "She's just a weakly general artificial intelligence patterned off a fractal imaging of my own mind. She's totally under my control, and even if she wasn't I could predict whatever she was going to do. Safe as little computer houses."

"Well, you're the expert," Gold said, shrugging. "Anyway, we're wandering into the weeds a bit here. The point is that the area is very important to my people, and more than anything we want it to be stable and safe, both for us in particular and for everyone else. To that end we've embedded ourselves in politics and other important industries here, and try to reduce friction between the mundane and the supernatural. Even as far from the Hellmouth as Los Angeles, the walls between dimensions are relatively unstable, and there's much more demonic activity and immigration than you get in most other places around the world."

"That's a nice mission statement, but Sunnydale has seemed pretty frictive to me. And I've lived here so long that I'm running for mayor," Buffy said. She was privately wondering what the big deal about their secret was for if they didn't want to take over the world or anything. Plenty of other demons seemed to get by on less than Fort Knox operational security.

"The Hellmouth itself has been an exception ever since Wilkins got himself set up here. Ian was something of an ambassador, though I realize how awkward a position it was to be in," Gold gestured a bit helplessly with his hands. "We didn't really have the resources to tangle with him, and he had our secret hanging over our heads besides, so there wasn't much we could do. As for how that ended, Ian didn't get the details of what was planned in time for us to do much of anything, and even if he had, a lot of our people were too scared to mess with Wilkins. It's not like he was going to merge Earth into a hell dimension or anything."

"I'm sure giant snakes are great for stability," Buffy snarked. It felt kind of weird to be so flippant with a Congressman, but strangely him being part of a secret demon society too balanced it out a bit. The latter one she could deal with.

He shrugged, "We're better at soft power than hard power, and Richard Wilkins wasn't big on playing ball. Ian assures me you're a different sort however, which is why we're all sitting here in the first place."

"But if the mayor never listened to you anyway, why did you even have an ambassador?" Buffy asked. "Sorry Ian." Ian made an apologetic gesture.

"Well, we sort of thought he might?" Gold said. "Take it from me, people are wrong about other people all the time. The mayor told us he was preparing for something, but he had led us to believe it was more about perfect immortality, infinite wealth, normal stuff like that. He even demonstrated the invincibility thing to Ian at one point, didn't he?"

"It was quite disturbing," Ian agreed.

Buffy knew as well as anyone how sneaky Wilkins could be, even if her recent experience from her dreams seemed like a bad thing to share. It wasn't relevant to getting elected, anyway. "That's fair. And yeah, it was totally creepy."

Willow had one more question though, "OK, so you seem pretty justified and non-evil, especially by demon standards, but there's one more thing. Why are you even telling us all this? You could've kept being shadowy and standoffish and stuff, even while you were still helping us."

Gold nodded and answered. "Well, honestly, a lot of that is down to you, Ms. Rosenberg. Ian advised us that recent incidents suggested a pattern of you and your brand of magic being very hard to hide anything from in the long term. With my nephews already on your radar, it was felt that it was only a matter of time until you made an unfortunate discovery, so we wanted to get everything settled politely and prevent any misunderstandings."

"Well. Can't argue with that logic, I guess," Willow said, seeming happy to be a danger to secrets everywhere.

"So then, if we've all decided not to kill each other yet, we can talk about the other big issue," Gold said.

"The debate tomorrow, and all of the everything that goes with it," Buffy said. She'd been cramming on policy even more for the past week with Vanessa and Ian, and she felt like her head was going to explode. She'd never studied this hard for an actual test. "We've been planning for it, and we already have some accomplishments to point to, but it's going to be hard for me to outtalk Mr. Big Real Estate when it comes to city planning. There are so many angles he could come from."

"Well, his family may not have been very politically active until now, but that doesn't mean Gervais is going to be a wildcard," Gold replied. "Wolfram and Hart are a big deal politically in the area too, and we're not exactly enemies, but we see a lot of each other. They're up to their elbows in this guy, and they have a tendency to think a certain way, bring up certain things. I saw it from some of their cronies in the city council debate yesterday, and we'll probably see more of it tomorrow."

"So you think you can guess his moves and I can have canned responses ready?" Buffy asked. "It feels so much like being a politician."

"Well, 'guess his moves' is a little strong. Maybe I could say I've got an intuition. But the first thing Wolfram and Hart will have done is dig up absolutely any dirt they can get on you. Maybe they'll spring it on you at the debate, maybe they'll wait and use it later, but they won't sit on it forever. So I have to ask, and you can rest assured that I will be completely confidential, what skeletons do you have in your closet? You already know about ours."

Buffy thought immediately of Harmony, but decided that was something she really could keep absolutely secret. Maybe things had been a little suspicious, but they'd been careful enough, and it wasn't like it would be in any records or anything. But there was definitely other stuff she should talk about.

"I'm not sure if you already know this, but about a year ago, I was accused of the murder of Kendra Young, the first slayer called after me." This got a confused eyebrow raise from Gold, but she went on. That wasn't the important part. "What actually happened was a vampire got her at the school library, but I was at the scene and my old principal had it in for me, so the cops got involved and I had to get out of town for a few months. The charges were all dropped last summer, and all the cops that are left will swear I didn't do it, but it's there."

"It's not ideal," Gold said, "But the fact that it happened in Sunnydale is good for you. You can control the narrative here, blame it on that good old standby of gang violence. Heck, it could even be proof you were defending the city while you were still a Junior. What happened to this principal of yours?"

"He got eaten by Wilkins. Not a factor anymore," Buffy said.

"It's that kind of town," Willow cut in.

Unfortunately, not all of Buffy's run-ins with the law had happened in Sunnydale. "There's another thing. When I was first called as the Slayer in LA, there was one of those old, pretentious vampires lurking around Hemery High. There ended up being a big battle during Prom and I kind of had to burn down the gym."

"Arson's not great, but you can't have done time?" Gold said confusedly.

"I was never actually charged by the police, but the school people all pretty much knew," Buffy said. "There was a lot of confusion because of all the murders and destruction the vampires did, but we all know school administrators don't care about little things like proof."

"They have probably got into your school records," Gold said. "They've used them before. And even if you deflect this one with the usual gang story, Gervais could claim the issue followed you here. It's obviously bogus, but it could sting."

"Yeah. But that's not the worst part of it," Buffy hated talking about it, but it was just the kind of thing Wolfram and Hart might find out. She couldn't avoid it. "I tried to come out as the Slayer to my parents after. They had me committed for two weeks."

"Buffy!" Willow was shocked. "I had no idea! How could your mom do that?"

"I maybe wasn't the most convincing, it had been a really crazy night. And it's not like I still had a watcher to back me up, Merrick was dead." Buffy said. "Mom and Dad said they wanted me to talk to someone about it, and I thought he could help me make them understand. I didn't figure out it was an asylum until after they just left me there!"

"But couldn't you have just…" Willow mimed punching in an adorably incompetent way.

"I thought it would just make things worse, and I still wasn't sure if the police were going to go after me for arson," Buffy said. "I was still trying to talk my way out of it with the psychiatrist after they left, but he drugged my drink and then things got pretty hazy for a while. Eventually I just went along with what they said and they let me walk, but it was majorly hellish."

"Why didn't you tell us?" Willow asked. "Your mom seemed totally out of the know until this year."

"I just wanted to forget about it," she said. "And she doesn't ever mention it. She didn't even bring it up after I came home last summer, and that was fine with me. I'm sure she feels terrible about how it happened, but it's not like it's the kind of thing I want to fondly reminisce about."

Gold had been grimacing the whole time. "That's definitely a doozy. Not that I'm saying it's your fault. Clearly it was a terrible situation, and you were what? Fifteen? But if they've found that we could be in deep shit."

"Maybe we could try to get ahead of it?" Ian suggested uncertainly.

"Spinning it ourselves would help, but only if they actually have it," Gold said. "Otherwise we're egging our own faces for no reason. And they might not. Wolfram and Hart has a lot of potential, but it's all divided up and working against itself half the time. The actual competency of their individual lawyers and agents varies, even if there's a high ceiling."

"And we can't know for sure," Buffy said.

"But what if we could?" Willow asked. The room got quiet. After nobody said anything, she continued, "We know where Carl Gervais lives, and he's probably prepping for the debate too. A lot of it might not even be in person, the lawyers from Wolfram and Hart are based in LA. They could be using phone lines. They could have records on computers, or plans. His house might even have a security system."

"You want to hack into all their stuff? Isn't that kind of unethical?" Buffy paused, and then also voiced the larger concern, "Plus, are you sure you won't get caught? Does Wolfram and Hart have technopagans too?"

"If they have any with even close to the kind of power your friend's been throwing around, we don't know about them," Gold said.

"I mean, I guess I can't be totally sure, but I'm pretty sure," Willow said. "I won't get caught. Maybe they'll have some nutty defense that stops me, but they'd never be able to trace the attack back to us with all the virtual proxies I can put up. And I doubt they have everything locked up as tight as I do. Any scraps of information could be a big deal, and with CyberWillow I could even sort through everything we get in a day, easy."

"They probably wouldn't hesitate to do the same to us, if they could," Ian said.

Everyone seemed to like the idea, but it was a big step. They hadn't taken any offensive action against Wolfram and Hart yet, and who knew what kind of escalation hacking into their computers and tapping their phones could provoke if things did end up going wrong.

Vote: Does Buffy agree to have Willow try to hack into everything the Gervais family is doing, and everything Wolfram and Hart is doing related to them?

[] Have Willow and CyberWillow start the cyberwarfare. There are too many things that are too dangerous not to know.

[] Be more cautious, and just plan things out as best you can without hacking. Congressman Gold has a pretty good idea what WRH is planning anyway.
 
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[X] Have Willow and CyberWillow start the cyberwarfare. There are too many things that are too dangerous not to know.

Willow is always win! And this is double-Willow...
 
[X] Have Willow and CyberWillow start the cyberwarfare. There are too many things that are too dangerous not to know.

Not like W&H will play anywhere remotely close to fair.
 
We might be teaching Cyberwillow some bad lessons, but man the possible mission creep into WRH servers sounds amazing. I am kind of looking forward to having a hit list to deal with ourselves or send to Angel if we run out of time.
 
[X] Have Willow and CyberWillow start the cyberwarfare. There are too many things that are too dangerous not to know.
 
"Of course not," Willow said easily. "She's just a weakly general artificial intelligence patterned off a fractal imaging of my own mind. She's totally under my control, and even if she wasn't I could predict whatever she was going to do. Safe as little computer houses."
Willow, why are you taunting the Hellmouth? You don't taunt the Hellmouth, Willow.

Buffy thought immediately of Harmony, but decided that was something she really could keep absolutely secret. Maybe things had been a little suspicious, but they'd been careful enough, and it wasn't like it would be in any records or anything. But there was definitely other stuff she should talk about.
Yes, yes, clearly a wise administrative decision that will im no way whatsoever come back to bites us in the ass. Y'know, like a vampire.

"I tried to come out as the Slayer to my parents after. They had me committed for two weeks."
And now I'm thinking there's more than one reason she doesn't want to come out as gay, even if her mom mostly already knows. That trauma, yikes.
 
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[X] Have Willow and CyberWillow start the cyberwarfare. There are too many things that are too dangerous not to know.

The Wolf, the Ram and the Hart have already thrown down the gauntlet, holding outself back here won't do us any favors. If anything showing that we're willing and able to strike back will help give us a more solid position
 
[X] Have Willow and CyberWillow start the cyberwarfare. There are too many things that are too dangerous not to know.
 
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