The Silmarillion Quest
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Thingol actually did see the Trees, iirc, when some of the Valar came to the elves to convince them to go West. The kings from the three clans went, saw the Valar's land (I can't remember the name) which of course included the Trees at the time, and were suitably impressed. They were then sent back to Arda so they could lead their people West, which was when Thingol got lost in a forest for like 500 years.
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[X] Plan Baran Treefriend
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[X] Plan Wood Hunt and Children
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[X] Plan Of Ents and Men
Fully agree with Camiadus that trying to recruit from the second tribe is the right thing to do. We're few in number - and not secure because of it - they're scattered and lacking in leadership, asking them to join us is a situation that benefits us both. And honestly, I think it's better for the race of man in the long run as well.
The rest of the plan is spot on as well, but giving extra rations to the elderly and the Wise to make sure they survive long enough to impart their knowledge and the history of our people fully onto the younger generation is especially important.
Fully agree with Camiadus that trying to recruit from the second tribe is the right thing to do. We're few in number - and not secure because of it - they're scattered and lacking in leadership, asking them to join us is a situation that benefits us both. And honestly, I think it's better for the race of man in the long run as well.
The rest of the plan is spot on as well, but giving extra rations to the elderly and the Wise to make sure they survive long enough to impart their knowledge and the history of our people fully onto the younger generation is especially important.
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KnightDisciple
Brotherhood. Unity. Peace.
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Also, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong here, as I recall, Morgoth spent steadily more and more of his strength and power into Angband and his armies. That's not to say he became helpless, but that Morgoth now is far from being the direct threat that Morgoth right after he started truly rebelling.
The flip side is that as things stand now, he doesn't need to carry that level of personal, direct power.
Deadly Snark
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Morgoth corrupted Arda itself. Which weakened him tremendously but also insured that he couldn't be destroyed so long as Arda exists.
Lore: Morgoth’s Ring
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Morgoth's Ring
In the days of old, when the stars were new and the sun yet young, Melkor the Morgoth poured his malice, his hate, and his will to power into all the Earth. As Sauron with the Ring after him, he made it a vessel for a portion of his soul, and bound himself with it, polluting it everafter. The sun, the sea, the earth, the sky--all things that are and will be hold within them a portion of him they call the Enemy. As long as the world turns, as long as even the tiniest fragment of creation remains in existence, then Melkor lives undying.
This is the worst and greatest of the Marrings of Arda — for as he marred it in it's making so now the Enemy marred it in it's spirit. A remnant of the evil of the Enemy swells in everything that is upon the world, from the food we eat to the grass upon our feet. He is the corruption in the Earth itself, weakening things before their time and inducing all things to rot and ruin. Mortal bodies fail earlier, new-made swords shatter and fail, roofs crack and leak, and horseshoes are undone. Even should he be defeated and his mortal form laid low, the Enemy will never leave the living world. He will live on still in the air in your lungs, in the fibers of your clothes, in the blood in your veins.
And yet his final triumph is also his unmaking, for in pouring so much of his strength into the flesh of the world, Morgoth has diminished his own strength. He can be bested, with great effort, by mortal arms, and his power that once awed the earth will not avail him. By his own doing, the Great Lord of the Dark may yet be laid low — but he will remain in the world in part until it's ending, for it is only when the world is unmade and undone that the power of Melkor shall fail at last and he will know true ending, as Sauron knew his ending when the Ring was destroyed.
All of Earth is Morgoth's Ring.
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Lore: On The Children of Yavanna
Camiadus
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Lore: On The Children of Yvanna
"It is not wizardry, but a power far older. A power that walked the earth, ere elf sang or hammer rang."
In long Years of the Trees Aulë the Smith crafted the Fathers of the Dwarves, yet he had done so without leave of Eru, who in his mercy spared his creation but set them to slumber beneath the mountains until the Firstborn had awoken. Yvanna, Giver of Fruits and spouse of Aulë, feared that in the ages to come Aulë's children would cut down all the trees that covered Middle-earth. Her worries were heard by Manwë, and through him brought to Eru Ilúvatar. Thus came the Ents to be, Shepards of the Trees, brought into being by Eru to walk amongst Middle-earth until the ending of the world. It is the Ent Fanghorn, who in time will become known as Treebeard, that is the oldest of all living beings to wake after the creation of the world."It is not wizardry, but a power far older. A power that walked the earth, ere elf sang or hammer rang."
The Shepherds of the Trees are of two kin: Ents, who are pledged to Oromë who delights in hunting evil creatures and monsters and has a special love for all trees and forests, and Ent-wives, who are pledged to Yvanna, who planted the very first seeds and sung the first trees into being. There are also the Huorns, living trees filled with a terrible anger when roused, yet no person alive knows if they are Ents that have become too treelike in their slumbers and forgotten what they are, or trees that have grown in spirit enough to become akin to the Ents. What is known is that while the Ent-wives tend to their gardens and glades and flowered meadows, spreading the beauty and wonder of Yvanna's work across all of Middle-earth, it is the Ents that stay within the great forests, both tending and protecting their flocks of trees and in turn keeping the true Children of Eru safe from them.
Ents are mighty and strong, much like the trees from which they sprang, and only grow stronger with age. However, they are also slow and measured, unused to speedy action and sudden changes. They look kindly upon elves, who taught them how to speak, and mistrust dwarves and all others that make use of axes. Despite their aversion to tools of metal, they do not fear it as their bark is thick and tough, only growing more so with age. It is fire that is their great weakness and drives them most quickly to anger when turned against them.
Although one might mistake them as trees should they not move, Ents are anything but. They talk, they sing, they shepherd their flocks, and they even build for themselves their own homes called Ent-houses which are always nearby a spring or stream of fresh water. The reason for this is that all Ents must partake of Ent-draughts. Little is known of Ent-draughts, save that it is the only nourishment that an Ent needs and serves as a potent drink that seems to encapsulate the entirety of their woodland realms.
Morgoth, ever hateful and nursing a rage beyond measure at Yvanna's eternal enmity to him, has made a pale imitation of Ents in the form of trolls. These monstrosities are lacking in every manner when compared to Ents except that they are not living trees, and therefore have less to fear from fire. If there has ever been a thing that holds the unmeasured hatred of the Ents, it is trolls and all other servants of Morgoth.
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Deadly Snark
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Impossible like with all Valar and Maiar. Morgoth was permanently weakened by the act of tainting the world
That's cool. Thanks!
Chimeraguard
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It will not. These ways are all on the verge of dying out, remembered by the eldest of the old. In the time it takes Belen to learn one well enough to pass it on, the others will be gone from among the people.
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Yeeesh. How do they keep up the long fight against evil if they venerate sadness like that?
Though, applying magics against little orcs probably helped too.
Though, now I can't help but think that maybe stuffing all those gems into items would be a better use of them than leaving them to sit in a pond.
Mmm, when it's put like this...so much is put on the later conflicts and obligations the Sons of Beor fulfilled, but yeah. Beor has lived his entire life with his great challenge being to provide his people with a place they can truly, happily call home. And never being certain he'd live, or that he'd make it, or if he'd just be another long line of chieftains who spend their whole lives journeying to someplace safe.
But he succeeded. His life's work, the work of every single predecessor before him, was not in vain. His people have survived, and have a chance, a good chance even.
What can he be if not proud and satisfied?
To my mind, this sounds kind of condescending, like fascination with primitive tribals coming out of the bush.
But for elves, it could be genuine.
That being said @Telamon , a little misspelling of "excercise" which should be "exercise"
Mmm, it's always sad to see a long, grand tale finish. But if it didn't, even the grandest can become overwhelming and dreary.
Yeah, looking at those stats...
Yeah, I must say that Baran would do better to improve his Hunter legend, and the Bow-Maiden he Tracking legend. The former via hunting the boar, the latter via tracking the Ents/Entwives.
Certainly fortuitous words to hear in any situation, nevermind recently coming out of a life or death crisis.
I wonder if we'll ever see old Beor again...
I understand how the weight of ages and the passing of time in their own ways and results is a strong basis for emotion, which...huh. I see, maybe it's not so much grief that is what makes these songs what they are, but that it's so much easier to express their Selves and fea with grief and sorrow, and men are starting from the ground up with such soul-deep grief as the basis of their first songs.
Yeeesh. How do they keep up the long fight against evil if they venerate sadness like that?
That's pretty canny. We've already avoided looking entirely as pathetic in that Finrod came upon us celebrating our success as opposed to weary, frightened sleep, but if we want to look less like a charity case it's good to be distinct and have something the Elves do not. Finrod probably convinced many of his own to welcome us, but it cannot have been so simple as everyone happily accepting these new, "lesser" interlopers.
That, actually makes a LOT of sense. Besides the fact that the Beorlings' magic is a natural one of wood and hill, grass and stone, the Ents were a LOT more active back in the day, and more importantly, far more populous the farther east one went, where man came from.
That's pretty impressive, for man, short lived and focused for so much on survival, to remember so much for thousands of years. Though, now I wonder why they left.
So, would they have, like, some way of knowing that these small, fleshy folk were once taught and sheltered by their kin to the far east, like some sort of communal knowledge from the land they sink their roots into?
I'm starting to wonder if it was more than just bands and hordes of monsters and orcs that tainted the east and drove Man west, and more that the land itself is despoiled so far from Aman and the souls of the Firstborn who have seen the Trees. The Ents must have done more than just physically protected man, but also through their intimate connection to land and stone, tree and hill, held back the despoilment of the land from Morgoth. Otherwise even they could not have so easily driven back the fire loving freaks of Morgoth.
Though, applying magics against little orcs probably helped too.
God forbid you tell them that BEFORE they get overcome with desire and not after, you pricks.
Smart thinking Baran. Although-
Hoh, was that an extra special gem from the pool? Still, I see. They're already fading, no wonder they entrust a part of their legacy to Man.
Though, now I can't help but think that maybe stuffing all those gems into items would be a better use of them than leaving them to sit in a pond.
Thank goodness for the minimum dickishness from Thingol.
It sounds so, mystical.
Mmm, when it's put like this...so much is put on the later conflicts and obligations the Sons of Beor fulfilled, but yeah. Beor has lived his entire life with his great challenge being to provide his people with a place they can truly, happily call home. And never being certain he'd live, or that he'd make it, or if he'd just be another long line of chieftains who spend their whole lives journeying to someplace safe.
But he succeeded. His life's work, the work of every single predecessor before him, was not in vain. His people have survived, and have a chance, a good chance even.
What can he be if not proud and satisfied?
To my mind, this sounds kind of condescending, like fascination with primitive tribals coming out of the bush.
But for elves, it could be genuine.
Who says Men of action can't be wise?
Really not surprising, given how innately skilled our people are at this.
That being said @Telamon , a little misspelling of "excercise" which should be "exercise"
Well, that's quite well done of her. But how is she "barely a child" when Belen has been described as "barely a man" when he's 18 to her 22? Hell, Baran is only two years older than her. I know different cultures have different perceptions of what constitutes adulthood, but that's a bit bizarre. I was expecting her to be some child prodigy around the age of 15 or 16.
This has the makings of a major diplomatic incident if left unhandled, or a major diplomatic coup if handled well. Either they aggravate the Elves' opinion towards Man in general by loitering on their lands, or they improve it via joining the alliance.
Mmm, it's always sad to see a long, grand tale finish. But if it didn't, even the grandest can become overwhelming and dreary.
Perhaps Thingol wasn't just isolationist and xenophobic after all, to want us off his lands.
Yeah, looking at those stats...
Yeah, I must say that Baran would do better to improve his Hunter legend, and the Bow-Maiden he Tracking legend. The former via hunting the boar, the latter via tracking the Ents/Entwives.
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Belen is 21 now, actually.
And they're all fairly young, and are outcompeting and leading men decades their elder, which is rare among the Beorlings — usually the clan leader is a wizened old man from among the Wise, who has reached the venerable age of 50.
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A Nation's Virtue
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How old was Beor upon his ascension? Admittedly, comparing stats to age it's quite by possible all three will have surpassed him in most if not all ways by the time they reach his age.
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So we're planning to try and eat the other human tribe? Instead of getting them to merely migrate and be Vassals to the elves?
That's harder, brings risk of culture clash, which is partly why this clan went into seclusion in their own fief in the OTL, doesn't get us a bonus with our Lords, makes it less likely to move all of them away from their location near the entry point for Morgoths forces and also lowers our morale.
That's harder, brings risk of culture clash, which is partly why this clan went into seclusion in their own fief in the OTL, doesn't get us a bonus with our Lords, makes it less likely to move all of them away from their location near the entry point for Morgoths forces and also lowers our morale.