How Would You Prefer To Handle Unit Design?

  • Just let the QM do it.

    Votes: 15 30.0%
  • Just choose which techs to use.

    Votes: 23 46.0%
  • Choose which techs and extra features to use limited by size, cost, and upkeep.

    Votes: 9 18.0%
  • Choose individual (fictional) systems to equip units with. Limited by size, cost, upkeep, etc.

    Votes: 2 4.0%
  • None of these.

    Votes: 1 2.0%

  • Total voters
    50
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I'd still argue that it'd be useful for doing stuff like keeping costs down, to pad out numbers in certain roles, and a whole lot quieter than the other options. Would be good for counter insurgency.
Counter insurgency isn't exactly a concern for your military in-quest. That said, this does give me some ideas for more equipment options.
Our economy may no longer be in shambles, but we still have loads of debt to pay off. And god forbid we find ourselves in a costly, drawn out war against some guerrillas. There's a reason the USAF is experimenting with turboprop ultralights. Unless the fusion engines are cheaper, I don't see them making turboprops any more obsolete than turbojet engines did. If anything I can see them synergizing in certain roles, like a laser armed gunship using fusion reactors to power both its weapons and electrically driven propellers for greater range and loiter time.

... Or, you know, double or triple it's number in turboprop aircraft doing the same thing, depending on how much fusion is going to cost us.
All of your aircraft are being built to defend North America from a major power. The quest's USA hasn't fought insurgents for literal decades. It doesn't even have overseas bases.

The fusion engines make turboprops obsolete because of their strategic benefits. A fusion jet isn't just faster, it's vastly more fuel efficient. The fusion fuel is approximately 5 MILLION times more energy dense than jet fuel. A 747 could be be run about half a milligram a second. (Compared to about 3.3 kilograms.) Fusion reactors already give virtually unlimited range, the propellers wouldn't give appreciably more range and loiter time.

Edit: Your fusion aircraft could even have extremely low idle speeds on their jets. Minimum engine RPM is normally limited by a need to compress enough air to maintain combustion. However, a fusion jet doesn't use combustion. It generates heat in a fusion reactor and then dumps it into the jet chamber. It can just reduce the throughput without worry. (There is probably still a minimum amount of compression to avoid a flameout, but it's likely much lower.)
I'm assuming they are at least trying to encourage their youth to procreate?
They are, but it's hard to succeed in the middle of a war.
speaking of glassing, @Isaacssv558 once we have fusion warheads and sattelite capability could we just glass meaningful chinese and russian strongholds, bases, chokepoints, population centers, etc. instead of providing infantry if we enter a Japanese military alliance? Would we need the alliance to do so? What of the same for if we ally with the CAU and France attacks? Could we just glass them instead of providing thousands of our weak infantry to provide meaningless support? Something like:
Air support is a valid means of aiding your allies. However, you might want to consider the implications of jumping immediately to the literal nuclear option. You had better hope your SDI works perfectly.
 
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mm bro, Russia and China are all but collapsing in on themselves. They havnt completely given in yet but it has been stated many times that their shitty economies, fruitless wars, and social malcontent have both of them facing emminent collapse.

China definitely is collapsing and technically already collapsed. That why I said it would take multiple critical successes to even win they are losing no matter what. I did forget to mention Russia though. Russia is on the brink if they don't get help or money they will also fall apart. I don't really want to help them, but if it is to help Japan end the war now I can deal with paying Russia. I doubt it will be enough to save them without a major reorganization of their Nation.

France is dealing with unrest and has a damaged military and economy thanks to our actions in Africa and seems to be held up only by German duct tape handed out only for pride and reluctant German prayers. They aren't collapsing yet but they are on a downhill slope that seems like it can quickly spiral in absense of German aid. German aid of course that we are working towards removing which our QM has confirmed is possible by being a potential ally that clearly outweighs their little europe project which we are starting down on with our oil deals and can only go further. It will take time but it is possible and without that German aid their shitty economy, shitty infrastucture, and overstretched everything can quickly lead to issues up through and including revolution and collapse but at the least becoming a non threat.

The French military took larger causalities then they wanted but is still fairly intact. The economy diffidently took a hit from their stupid war though. The resources they are getting from their conquered territory are what is keeping them and their allies afloat. The Invasion of the CAU wasn't about needing resources or anything like that. They already got what they needed when they conquered that part of Northern Africa before the war. We don't know for certain why they attacked, but I have a few ideas. Mainly they wanted to prove their military strength against a great power, to distract from possible issues at home, pure greed and any number of other reasons. They lost and now have to deal with a worse situation but should still have the resources to recover. Their home territory is still intact if it had been hit I'm sure Germany would have got involved on France's side. They also get a lot of support from their block member, but with the war failing France can't keep its promises so we will see what happens.

Germany is selling military gear to them and using the profits to keep rebuilding Eastern Europe. Germany is busy in its own sphere it is not giving out aid outside of what is needed to maintain the alliance. They aren't happy with France and its block but still believe for now in Europe. With the Electronics trade that should help push them closer to our own side. Hopefully they open up some more actions to improve our relations with them. I do think we can swing them to our side if we try.

This leaves only the UK and minor Balkainized states as potential issues. The UK doesnt seem bad from what we know but I think we should all reserve judgement pending review and those balkain states are non threats that can be safetly put off until after the major powers due to their minor non threat statuses.

Yeah hopefully the UK isn't doing anything that will make working with them impractical. I will wait until the investigation. The minor nations and regions aren't a concern for now I agree. If we do trade deals with them it would probably like how we did trade with our sphere members.

Also you forgot what is to be orbital supremacy, what will become atomic capability, and what should be if we are reasonable our strong allies as strengths because we become that much harder to scout, agress, and invade when we control the air, sea, space, economy, ability to glass places wherever and whenever we want, and have what is now three but will hopefully soon become 4 and soon after than 5 then six and soon after that 7 major and powerful allies when everybody else has all of none.

I was mostly going with what we had at the time. Once we are in space then that is another thing in our favor. We already have atomic capability the warhead we are making are cleaner and scale-able meaning we can make small weapons to only destroy what we want and not everything around it. Still not something we use to glass everything since that invites retaliation from nukes that will poison the planet. I like my planet I don't want to see it burn. Hitting military targets with controlled weapons is acceptable though.

Yeah, you think an aggressor will have a hard time with just us but think how much worse it gets when we also have space, can glass their asses whenever we want, and have Canada, and Mexico, and Australia and the CAU and Japan and hopefully Germany and far off maybe hopefully the UK with us.

For now we have Mexico, Canada, and Australia in our corner. The CAU, and Japan are the most likely next group to join us. I actually think we could get the UK on our side before Germany. The UK looks to not like France since the Alliance in the tab is in quotes. Depending on what we find out from our investigation we might have an easier chance getting them on our side.

They bring us up just like we bring them up nobody gets dragged down, nobody gets left behind.

Yeah our alliances are helping us more than most other things we have done. In the long run it is how we will succeed at least on Earth and Sol. Once we are out in the Galaxy we will need to pick our allies carefully. Still hoping to get good with the Turians. I want my Prussian Space Birds Best Friends dammit.:D

Not as much as you seem to think, we only really have a basic overview and general information for most countries, we don't know what they might be setting up in the background

To get more we would need to set up a intrigue network. We really haven't set anything like that up yet so we have what we have. Like @Keani said we have a lot of info already.
 
All of your aircraft are being built to defend North America from a major power. The quest's USA hasn't fought insurgents for literal decades. It doesn't even have overseas bases.

The fusion engines make turboprops obsolete because of their strategic benefits. A fusion jet isn't just faster, it's vastly more fuel efficient. The fusion fuel is approximately 5 MILLION times more energy dense than jet fuel. A 747 could be be run about half a milligram a second. (Compared to about 3.3 kilograms.) Fusion reactors already give virtually unlimited range, the propellers wouldn't give appreciably more range and loiter time.

That's all fair enough, but doesn't really address my concerns of costs. It's not just a matter of fuel efficiency, but how much the actual fuel and engines cost to produce. But you know what you're doing, so I'll drop this. I appreciate your responses.

Counter insurgency isn't exactly a concern for your military in-quest. That said, this does give me some ideas for more equipment options.

That's nice, glad I could help.
 
That's all fair enough, but doesn't really address my concerns of costs. It's not just a matter of fuel efficiency, but how much the actual fuel and engines cost to produce. But you know what you're doing, so I'll drop this. I appreciate your responses.
Sorry about that, I thought your concerns about cost were related to fuel.

1. (Engine Costs)
I don't want to reveal the precise cost before you've actually developed the engine, but it is a concern. However, it isn't massively higher and is significantly offset by size reductions allowed by the (much) smaller engine and fuel systems. A F-22 holds about 40% of its weight in fuel. A fusion craft would dispense not only with most of that weight, but also with the weight and volume of the fuel tanks and fuselage containing them. This would allow the craft to be made smaller and cheaper.

Also, the strategic benefits of unlimited range, and potentially extreme intercept speed, make fusion engines superior almost regardless of costs. Unlimited range means a much lower footprint in bases, airstrips, and logistics. Extreme speeds, with sustainable fuel consumption, mean much less time in transit. With Alien Aerodynamics and the fusion engine you can make all your craft hypersonic, allowing them to circumnavigate the globe in a single workday.

2. (Fuel Costs)
The fuel costs are really low. Your fusion reactors can run on almost anything with a low (single digit) atomic number. Pure hydrogen is the best, but you could run them on seawater if necessary. Your engineers could probably make a reactor run off pencils if they tried hard enough. Alien tech is BS that way.
 
Sorry about that, I thought your concerns about cost were related to fuel.

1. (Engine Costs)
I don't want to reveal the precise cost before you've actually developed the engine, but it is a concern. However, it isn't massively higher and is significantly offset by size reductions allowed by the (much) smaller engine and fuel systems. A F-22 holds about 40% of its weight in fuel. A fusion craft would dispense not only with most of that weight, but also with the weight and volume of the fuel tanks and fuselage containing them. This would allow the craft to be made smaller and cheaper.

Also, the strategic benefits of unlimited range, and potentially extreme intercept speed, make fusion engines superior almost regardless of costs. Unlimited range means a much lower footprint in bases, airstrips, and logistics. Extreme speeds, with sustainable fuel consumption, mean much less time in transit. With Alien Aerodynamics and the fusion engine you can make all your craft hypersonic, allowing them to circumnavigate the globe in a single workday.

2. (Fuel Costs)
The fuel costs are really low. Your fusion reactors can run on almost anything with a low (single digit) atomic number. Pure hydrogen is the best, but you could run them on seawater if necessary. Your engineers could probably make a reactor run off pencils if they tried hard enough. Alien tech is BS that way.

Wait, does this mean we could potentially get supermassive hypersonic cargo jets with extreme carrying capacity and veg low fuel costs? Even what is effectively arial carriers?
 
Wait, does this mean we could potentially get supermassive hypersonic cargo jets with extreme carrying capacity and veg low fuel costs? Even what is effectively arial carriers?
Mostly yes; you'd run into structural problems making the hypersonic craft too large. Alien materials can mitigate that, but you wouldn't use the best stuff for cargo jets. The hypersonic speeds would mostly be for combat craft anyway, your civilian and logistics craft don't need that kind of speed.
 
Wait, does this mean we could potentially get supermassive hypersonic cargo jets with extreme carrying capacity and veg low fuel costs? Even what is effectively arial carriers?
Apparently so. Once we figure out the engineering hurdles at least. We probably need both the alien aerodynamics and the the grav engine/tech to keep it from falling apart.
 
so will we transition from Wet Navy to Air Navy?
(Heli-carrier from avengers, along with the Heli-Battleships/Cruisers from winter soldier?)

because having those kinds of warship/airship will not only be awesome, but actually practical, as a mobile air-base/battlegroup they could be the heavy firepower in the skies! plus with around mid-orbit they could potentially skedaddle when they shoot back at a enemy warship in orbit.
 
So if I'm understanding things right we're on the cusp of UNLIMITED range for actions even for large scale undertakings and engagements.

That's pretty cool.
 
So being a superpower again.
We are becoming a super power on our own already. We already have the best and largest economy and the most techs. While other nations have better techs in certain trees we have the largest number of techs, and we focused on both industry and Xenospace. Those two trees have allowed us to stay way ahead of everyone else.
 
so we need orbital kill sats aimed at our our own country to defend the mother land which can also be conveniently aimed at other countries?
 
so we need orbital kill sats aimed at our our own country to defend the mother land which can also be conveniently aimed at other countries?
On that same note advanced radar could be useful so we could glass enemies with those kill says. Mainly glassing Chinese military infrastructure to help Japan in an alliance rather than infantry
 
so we need orbital kill sats aimed at our our own country to defend the mother land which can also be conveniently aimed at other countries?
Any satellites we build we be optimized to shoot down missiles and ICBMs. Only a few would be designed to bombard the ground. We want to protect our future orbital indusrty more than attack others.

On that same note advanced radar could be useful so we could glass enemies with those kill says. Mainly glassing Chinese military infrastructure to help Japan in an alliance rather than infantry
Oh yeah I forgot about the radar. I even talked about it earlier on how it would let us lock down the Northern corridor. Some satellites with stealth armor, radar, and low emissions should make a good targeting/spy satellite.
 
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how about something like the odin eye weather satellite from the movie which lets us do weather control? can't invade us when your continent is frozen over after all
 
how about something like the odin eye weather satellite from the movie which lets us do weather control? can't invade us when your continent is frozen over after all
That is a little to crazy our tech is magic but not that magic. Also I don't think bring in other sources is a good idea.

Mechanically, how do we determine which of our techs are allies (as of now, Australia) are able to buy from us?
I think we will chose what to trade when ever it comes up. Might make a new kind of turn a trade turn like in some other quest on this site.
 
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And we do all of that once we are in a completely dominate position and it is actually feasible to get the rest of the world up to our level in a reasonable time frame. It's not about keeping them down, it's about stacking the deck in our favor so that once we are fully establish in space and all of our military and industrial tech is softcapped we can upgrade them quickly, affordably, and in a way that they simply have no reason not to join our growing coalition.

Edit: like someone in the thread said earlier. Be the golden city on the mountain offering them a hand up.

Edit2: in other words. Don't go them, let them come to us. Or as another popular saying says. "Build it, and they shall come."
Except garnering international goodwill is absolutely vital to putting us on top. Nearly half our economy is in trade, the more goodwill and prosperity we can engender the larger markets we have available to us, the more technology we have available, and the more willing people are to accept us jockeying for a political position as first among equals. We haven't grown strong or wealthy in isolation, not nearly as much as we might otherwise think. For all that we're militarily isolationist and have minimal political entanglements, we are hands down the most internationally involved in trade and communication over long distances. It's important to expand on that role and further interconnect the world through us rather than assuming we can coast on our own successes until every nation approaches us as supplicants. Because for all the prose around it, that's exactly what you are angling for. A 'willing' hegemony brought about when everyone supplicates to us to avoid being left behind by their rivals.
so we need orbital kill sats aimed at our our own country to defend the mother land which can also be conveniently aimed at other countries?
Killsats are something to save for a while. Orbital doom lasers actually don't have the range to be that effective on ground targets, and hanging fusion warheads in space that can only attack ground targets is just asking for a political shitshow. We can avoid most of the controversy by allowing hyper-sonic unlimited range aircraft deliver most of our nuclear weapons in the event of that scenario.

so will we transition from Wet Navy to Air Navy?
(Heli-carrier from avengers, along with the Heli-Battleships/Cruisers from winter soldier?)

because having those kinds of warship/airship will not only be awesome, but actually practical, as a mobile air-base/battlegroup they could be the heavy firepower in the skies! plus with around mid-orbit they could potentially skedaddle when they shoot back at a enemy warship in orbit.
I don't think we'll be using carriers for the same reason our craft have no need for refueling. But yeah, airborne missile cruisers or gunships seems like a definite possibility. The real fun is when we give our marines flying assault carriers.

I will say, part of the reason I've been hammering home Equipment Miniaturization is that it allows us to give our aircraft flight computers in addition to their original special equipment, and that is absolutely vital to allow our pilots to be rested from trans-oceanic flights as they enter the combat theater. Otherwise, we'd be relying on the pilot paying some degree of attention for tens of hours in transit.
 
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So I was looking at some of the older updates and China took control of Hong Kong in 2050. @Isaacssv558 How and why did they do that. I am going with invaded since it was marked as unaligned. It was either a Rebel faction that held it or Independent City-state.
 
So I was looking at some of the older updates and China took control of Hong Kong in 2050. @Isaacssv558 How and why did they do that. I am going with invaded since it was marked as unaligned. It was either a Rebel faction that held it or Independent City-state.

because its hong kong. one of if not the largest trade harbor in the world?

for anyone wanting to build up there econ that sounds like a really nice way too build some up.
 
because its hong kong. one of if not the largest trade harbor in the world?

for anyone wanting to build up there econ that sounds like a really nice way too build some up.
Joke's on China, with international trade in the crapper Hong Kong isn't exactly getting much traffic. Sure, it's still of some use for domestic trade, but whether it's worth the hassle of annexing and properly incorporating I don't know.
 
because its hong kong. one of if not the largest trade harbor in the world?

for anyone wanting to build up there econ that sounds like a really nice way too build some up.
They are in the middle of a multi-sided civil war. They are collapsing all over the place. Their economy is in tatters, military mostly broken to the point they need mercenaries to even keep going. There is also no trade happening in that area to dangerous. Hong Kong is something you want during peacetime not during a war where you get nothing out of it.
 
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