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Astaroh-m is a little more sus i think, and qt didnt lead the lynch in our doctor so thats going for them they did vote tmr WAY too close to majority which is bad too. Abd having bit worse ideas which is df sus


Hmmm i mean ijw and pawn could be on a team but thats just a minor thought.

I need to go back to bed
 
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Hadn't wanted to mention this, but now's as good a time as any to note that I am in fact a Watcher, who can see who visits a house at night, and see if the resident leaves (though not where they go). Last night I was watching QTesseract, and I saw them leaving their house. Given who we know about (two killers and a Roleblocker), it seems quite likely that QTesseract is one of the killers.
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All things considered this is a likely a power madness game so which means most everyone has a power that lets them leave their homes however this does decrease the chance of QT being multi-voter dramatically as I doubt a multi-voter would also have a night power. THIS is why I say don't just horde bloody information. All that does is help scum because they don't have to know if someone can leave their house or not. Everyone is a valid target. However town having this information makes it easier to home in on people and narrow down the scum list.

ALTHOUGH. After a quick reread you say your a watcher, that shows you can see who visits a house at night...I don't believe that would tell you that QT left his own house though...otherwise you'd almost be doubling as a half-tracker...If anyone else could correct me please feel free to, I'm not 100% on all the role sets yet but I feel that sounds very vanilla in descript.

To QTesseract he does bring a valid point if he is Truthful here, why did you leave your home? We've got at least 3 probable scum and 1 multi-voter(Who probably does not have a night ability) Normally I'd not want to pressure too much but there still is some sus towards you at this moment so clarification would go a long way in clearing a name. 3/11 chance to random hit scum anyway, 3/10 if you believe multi-vote is town and can't leave house. That leaves about a 30% chance with room for error(Under assumption that IJW is truthful here)
 
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Hadn't wanted to mention this, but now's as good a time as any to note that I am in fact a Watcher, who can see who visits a house at night, and see if the resident leaves (though not where they go). Last night I was watching QTesseract, and I saw them leaving their house. Given who we know about (two killers and a Roleblocker), it seems quite likely that QTesseract is one of the killers.
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That doesn't seem like a normal tracker or watcher. The tracker sees where someone goes at night. The watcher sees who visits a person at night.

Correct me if I'm wrong but you are saying that you see who visits a person at night and if the owner of said house leaves at night, but not where they go?

Cyricubed said:
however this does decrease the chance of QT being multi-voter dramatically as I doubt a multi-voter would also have a night power.
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Eh, QT likely wasn't the double voter anyway, due to him being the only person to call the double voter as likely scum. Even if he was a town aligned double voter and claimed to use that as a shield/info gathering tool later on, it would make everyone suspicious of him if he revealed after claiming scum double voter was likely and could lead to him being lynched on principle.
 
Pawn Lelouch said:
That doesn't seem like a normal tracker or watcher. The tracker sees where someone goes at night. The watcher sees who visits a person at night.

Correct me if I'm wrong but you are saying that you see who visits a person at night and if the owner of said house leaves at night, but not where they go?
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This is correct. I was actually a bit confused about it myself, which lead to some back and forth in my role PM thread asking for clarification.
 
[X] Lynch QTesseract

Now's as good a time as any to push the possible suspect. Especially since I really don't want to die.
 
Hmmmm, I still think that IJW is scum... but if his power is true... I will take some pressure off and wait for QT.

[x] Null
 
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@QTesseract are you going to defend yourself, or will you just stay on the sidelines?
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Sorry, I'm stuck on mobile for a bit longer :(. I can't really make a serious post until I get home, although that's not too far off.

I would like to confirm that I do have a night power, and that @I just write is not lying about that much. He might be be guessing and hoping to get lucky, I suppose, but it sounds plausible that he's telling the truth about his own abilities.
 
QTesseract said:
Sorry, I'm stuck on mobile for a bit longer :(. I can't really make a serious post until I get home, although that's not too far off.

I would like to confirm that I do have a night power, and that @I just write is not lying about that much. He might be be guessing and hoping to get lucky, I suppose, but it sounds plausible that he's telling the truth about his own abilities.
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Care to remark on what said power is exactly? This caginess isn't doing you too many favors.
 
He isn't really being cagey though? He's just saying that he'll be home soon get a post out soon.
 
*and get a post out soon.
Adhoc vote count started by Pawn Lelouch on Oct 27, 2018 at 6:45 PM, finished with 104 posts and 9 votes.
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Adhoc vote count started by Pawn Lelouch on Oct 27, 2018 at 7:23 PM, finished with 107 posts and 9 votes.
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Cyricubed said:
All things considered this is a likely a power madness game
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If it is, I'm going to be very annoyed.

Hmm. I'm about to be out for dinner to celebrate a birthday, so odds of me changing my vote in the last part of this Day is... slim. So... I'm not happy about it but I guess I'll do this for now.

[X] Null
 
I should be back before the days end. Currently I'm about to be afk for a period of an hour but I should be back before 2 hours left hopefully to make some final observations and maybe change my vote. Until then I'm pretty firm in my belief unless something QT says might change that.
 
5 hours left. Bandwagon has shifted away from astaroh and atk which indicates some sort of desire to shift votes away from them.
Astaroh seems the most likely scum member of the two.
Qt is needing to prepare a defense and is up for the block at this rate so i dont need to pressure them more.


[X] Lynch Astaroh-M
 
The thing thst troubles me about IJWs reveal is that its not really proof of anything beyond having a power.
If he had caught a killer red handed that would be a proper reason to rolereveal.

Am i wrong here? Because i always get a bad feeling when a wagon suddenly shifts in last hours
 
Alright, I'm here for real now. I would prefer not to role reveal unless neccesary, because as pawn pointed out earlier that's great for scum and we don't have a doctor anymore, but I technically can confirm at this stage if it becomes neccesary.

Moving on to comments since my last activity:
Pawn Lelouch said:
I disagree. The reason to have the buffer isn't necessarily to catch scum. Oftentimes it's there to give the accused the chance to speak if they would otherwise be getting rushed down, which was clearly needed here.
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Pawn Lelouch said:
Also accidentally posted it early but Az has stated the other reason.

If the vote is at 1 from hammer it's easy for someone who is being oblivious, to see how the votes are turning but not check the tally and vote someone upto hammer while denying town valuable day hours to discuss with.
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Yeah, I can see that argument. I think that catching scum will still almost always be superior, since it's almost always been my experience that newbies are too afraid to vote rather than overvoting, but I neglected to consider that people just plain don't pay attention when I was making the statement, so it's clearly too encompassing.

Pawn Lelouch said:
Asta was already one of my more dubious players in my mind but QT still feels the scummiest to me. His rationale for the one vote buffer feels like an excuse and having 2 scum teams would be insane in a 14 player game just due to how quickly town would lose majority. Proposing that and the scum multivoter feels like town would have so little power and almost like he is trying to push an agenda or view of the game's setup to the other players.

[X] Null
[X] Lynch QTesseract
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I know what my power is, and we've just seen multiple town PRs so far aside from my own; Scum definitely has to have some kind of an advantage. There were 2 kills, and while stabbed through could definitely be a misaimed vig I think that It's a reasonable guess. If that is a vig, then we'd basically have to have a scum power comparable multivote to even it out; if you're suggesting only one scummy faction and town multivote, then we really need to be on the lookout for what else scum is packing.

Pawn Lelouch said:
Eh, QT likely wasn't the double voter anyway, due to him being the only person to call the double voter as likely scum. Even if he was a town aligned double voter and claimed to use that as a shield/info gathering tool later on, it would make everyone suspicious of him if he revealed after claiming scum double voter was likely and could lead to him being lynched on principle.
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In the interests of truthfullness: that would not have been the first time I called my own role probably scum. Seriously, don't trust scum me in the slightest. Even if I give you a town read, look at the actual evidence involved and choose for yourself, which should go for every mafia vet tbh .As it happens, though, you are correct that I'm not the multivoter.
 
QTesseract said:
now what my power is, and we've just seen multiple town PRs so far aside from my own; Scum definitely has to have some kind of an advantage. There were 2 kills, and while stabbed through could definitely be a misaimed vig I think that It's a reasonable guess. If that is a vig, then we'd basically have to have a scum power comparable multivote to even it out; if you're suggesting only one scummy faction and town multivote, then we really need to be on the lookout for what else scum is packing.
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I would argue against misaimed vig. Lets look at the post specifically for a moment.

Terrabrand said:
Stabbed Through The Heart
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The coloring on both kills is at the very least some form of indication of alignment that the killer belonged too. I strongly doubt that was a misaimed vig...especially on Nanimani who didn't put out a lot on day 1. There were a lot of better night 1 targets who were more outright active or more potential dangers later in the game. I'd say scum targeted nanimani for 1 of two reasons.

1: Cause nani is a magnet...memes.
2: Probably because we've seen nani play very powerful town and scum roles alike to amazing effectiveness. When he is left alive he's one of the better players around.
 
Doesnt trapper seem like it would be a bit of a watcher power or would it be tracker?
 
If its power madness and there are lots of investigatives and more than one town protective (doctor is only one of the three commons. Bodyguard and veteran count too) then honestly scum group being three not two is possible if terrabrand thought there was a high likelyhood of investigatives catching scum.

But not super likely as previously discussed by others
 
Rikimaru said:
5 hours left. Bandwagon has shifted away from astaroh and atk which indicates some sort of desire to shift votes away from them.
Astaroh seems the most likely scum member of the two.
Qt is needing to prepare a defense and is up for the block at this rate so i dont need to pressure them more.


[X] Lynch Astaroh-M
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*sigh* Can I ask why? For the life of me I really don't see what makes me look like scum, and the two other people that I ask never answered bad. u_u'
 
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