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Deus Pater (Exalted/40k)

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Godwinson said:
I'm gonna be real, a large part of why I picked Grief is because grief control will let us save people from turning into witches Pride and Wrath both seem to be just more of the same crap that led to the Imperium being as shit as it is.
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CornyBones said:
I have a pretty good visual of what Pride and Wrath look like in a 40K setting. Regret sounds more interesting to me because I don't think it's been done before.
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Idk, a big part of the Imperium as-it-is is how people across multiple galactic arms are trapped in lives of misery and made to suffer often cruelly and commonly pointlessly for ultimately negligible ends. The loss of hope that anything can get better, the enduring trauma of worlds that are targetted by Chaos, the Tyranids, or a host of other threats, the despair that drives people to seek a glorious death as the only viable alternative like...it feels kinda weird to say that grief isn't a prevalent and profoundly corrosive part of the Imperium-as-it-stands.

And I take some issue with the idea that the Grief option as presented is somehow fundamentally positive when it's very upfront about being a spiritual black hole of regret and loss. Or the fact that it's sorta being presented as a no-brainer y'know? 'Cause the other options are staid or inherently stale/just more of the same or come with a host of drawbacks while Grief doesn't.
 
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[X] Grief - You remember all that the Emperor most regretted, his greatest sorrows and self-perceived failures. The grief of an immortal is a terrible thing indeed, and oh, there is so much...
 
[X] Grief - You remember all that the Emperor most regretted, his greatest sorrows and self-perceived failures. The grief of an immortal is a terrible thing indeed, and oh, there is so much...
 
[X] Pride - You remember the Emperor's greatest triumphs, the deeds that pleased him most. Some were his own, some were performed by others, all hold a special place in his heart.

Compelling arguments have been made, and I have changed my vote in accordance. It's damn foolhardy to think we can fix ten thousand years of decay, after all.
 
[X] Pride - You remember the Emperor's greatest triumphs, the deeds that pleased him most. Some were his own, some were performed by others, all hold a special place in his heart.

I like pride. Always have. Never really sat well with me that it should be viewed as a character flaw. Plus Tenfold makes a pretty good argument - both Grief and Wrath are kind of... Standard fare for 40k.
 
Stormwhite said:
*raises eyebrows*

I mean that's your prerogative and everything, but are you okay? I don't think we've spoken directly in over a year...
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Considering much I loved We Stand In Awe, and how much influence you had in making it fall to pieces, the only reason you aren't permanently on my Ignore List is because it's literally impossible for me to do so given your assistant administrator status.

Make no mistake, I haven't forgiven you, I haven't forgotten how much you fucked up one of the most enjoyable quests I've ever played, and I never will. Very few people have earned such a potent mix of anger and disgust from me, but congratulations, your near the top of the list.
 
So how about those votes guys? Arent they neat?


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Wait do people not know they are voting for limit break?
 
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Nix's Warden said:
Considering much I loved We Stand In Awe, and how much influence you had in making it fall to pieces, the only reason you aren't permanently on my Ignore List is because it's literally impossible for me to do so given your assistant administrator status.

Make no mistake, I haven't forgiven you, I haven't forgotten how much you fucked up one of the most enjoyable quests I've ever played, and I never will. Very few people have earned such a potent mix of anger and disgust from me, but congratulations, your near the top of the list.
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I'm fascinated as to how I earned the responsibility for fucking up a quest that I wasn't writing. I mean, if you got mad at me for my inability to stick to a project (like the graves of dead quest ideas left in my wake), that'd at least be something that I did...
 
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Adhoc vote count started by bioticgrunt on Sep 30, 2018 at 2:06 AM, finished with 161 posts and 116 votes.
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samdamandias said:
The Sisters of Silence are a thing, but are mostly anti-psykers. The Sororitas are pretty much never psykers, but some orders have close ties with the Scholastica Psykana, and the Sororitas certainly need Astropaths and Navigators, even if they don't take holy orders. (Much like how there are cogboys that work on Sororitas gear without taking holy orders with the Sisters.)

Technological mind-readers do not exist. They have never existed. If you find something that you think may be a technological mind-reader, please contact the Adeptus Mechanicus.
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I know what the Sisters of Silence are and also that Blanks have some useful traits, but mindreading is not among them.
And the Sororitas rarely trust Psykers more than they have to for Astropathy.

So I wonder who or what just invaded our mind?
 
[X] Pride - You remember the Emperor's greatest triumphs, the deeds that pleased him most. Some were his own, some were performed by others, all hold a special place in his heart.
 
[X] Pride - You remember the Emperor's greatest triumphs, the deeds that pleased him most. Some were his own, some were performed by others, all hold a special place in his heart.

The duality of Ignatius' humility and his inherited divine pride interests me.
 
All 3 options are acceptable to me. Pride would indicate what we should do, Regret what we shouldn't, Wrath what we REALLY SHOULDN'T. I doubt they would lead to Hubris, Depression or Khornate syndrome, respectively.

Wrath in particular would be interesting, because the Emperor's Wrath at the current insutions of the Imperium would have ...interesting... results, developed upon. I see reform possibilities here. It is also seems to tie in to Ignatius personally, I think.
Pride is probably the most stable and safe option in all honesty. In my opinion.
Regret is, in my opinion, actually possibly the most, how do I put it, unusual result? The psykers in particular. The polar opposite of Pride in some ways.
 
[x] Grief - You remember all that the Emperor most regretted, his greatest sorrows and self-perceived failures. The grief of an immortal is a terrible thing indeed, and oh, there is so much..
 
[X] Pride - You remember the Emperor's greatest triumphs, the deeds that pleased him most. Some were his own, some were performed by others, all hold a special place in his heart.​
 
TenfoldShields said:
Idk, a big part of the Imperium as-it-is is how people across multiple galactic arms are trapped in lives of misery and made to suffer often cruelly and commonly pointlessly for ultimately negligible ends. The loss of hope that anything can get better, the enduring trauma of worlds that are targetted by Chaos, the Tyranids, or a host of other threats, the despair that drives people to seek a glorious death as the only viable alternative like...it feels kinda weird to say that grief isn't a prevalent and profoundly corrosive part of the Imperium-as-it-stands.

And I take some issue with the idea that the Grief option as presented is somehow fundamentally positive when it's very upfront about being a spiritual black hole of regret and loss. Or the fact that it's sorta being presented as a no-brainer y'know? 'Cause the other options are staid or inherently stale/just more of the same or come with a host of drawbacks while Grief doesn't.
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I can point at multiple big dudes that embody both Wrath and Pride in 40k. I havent seen anyone like that for Regret. The fact that its beeing presented as an equivilent option to the other two interests me. How does a Regret power work? What is it like in 40k terms?

Im not saying their won't be downsides. But their will be downsides to whatever we choose. I have a pretty good idea what that is for the other two, and it doesn't attract me.

40k isnt a place that often meaningfully dwells on the consequences of its setting, and then tries to fix them. My hope is that grief opens a door for that, because i cant see that with wrath or pride. I dont see a whole lot to be proud of, and theirs plenty of anger to go around.

Not many people in power regret the way its used. *shrugs* idk, I think it makes a better seasoning than whats come before.
 
TenfoldShields said:
Idk, a big part of the Imperium as-it-is is how people across multiple galactic arms are trapped in lives of misery and made to suffer often cruelly and commonly pointlessly for ultimately negligible ends. The loss of hope that anything can get better, the enduring trauma of worlds that are targetted by Chaos, the Tyranids, or a host of other threats, the despair that drives people to seek a glorious death as the only viable alternative like...it feels kinda weird to say that grief isn't a prevalent and profoundly corrosive part of the Imperium-as-it-stands.

And I take some issue with the idea that the Grief option as presented is somehow fundamentally positive when it's very upfront about being a spiritual black hole of regret and loss. Or the fact that it's sorta being presented as a no-brainer y'know? 'Cause the other options are staid or inherently stale/just more of the same or come with a host of drawbacks while Grief doesn't.
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Hopelessness is not grief. Despair is not grief. Grief can contain or coexist with those emotions, but they're not synonymous. Grief doesn't have to be corrosive or even harmful. Some people even experience grief as something kind of happiness-adjacent because to them it's the relief that comes after loss.

Here it seems to be more of a grieving for lost futures, how the big guy could have done things differently. It's his failures and regrets, not his despair. I certainly wouldn't say it's a positive emotion in this case, but that doesn't mean it can't be part of a healing process, especially since Ignatius represents his greatest chance in ten thousand years to fix some of those mistakes and to change some of the things that inflict that sorrow.

To steal your phrase, I take some issue with how you're consistently describing grief as if it's equivalent to depression, when it doesn't have to be. If you've got information about how Maugan Ra intends to write things, that's one thing. But emotions and the way individuals experience them are not as limited as you seem to be saying.

I'm also not fond of you misrepresenting in the quoted post several people's preference for wanting to see something new to them as them claiming the other options are something worse when they're not making those kind of value judgements. Those arguments are the equivalent of what you or a couple of other posters are saying when you say you're interested in the combination of the Emperor's pride and Ignatius' humility. They're another level of abstraction or two above 'wrath will cause bad things to happen'.
 
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Arbit said:
Likely Astropaths. But there might be a Transubstantial Initate with them.
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That would be frustrating, if a Psyker who does the regular psykering only as a secondary to his actual task (Astropathy) can so easily invade our mind.

We clearly need more integrety, willpower and related Charms.
CornyBones said:
I can point at multiple big dudes that embody both Wrath and Pride in 40k. I havent seen anyone like that for Regret. The fact that its beeing presented as an equivilent option to the other two interests me. How does a Regret power work? What is it like in 40k terms?
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Corax seems to have that part down.
Not that he did anything useful with it, as far as we know.
 
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