It's bloodier and much more visceral and consciously cruel. And it conveys that this is someone who enjoys having an acceptable target for their anger, for their violence.

Dragonslaying would be a really big power fantasy for some people. Killing something bigger and stronger than you would give you a sense of power and control.

Though I have literally no ability to read or judge others at all.
 
Fellow Dragonharemites, it's obvious that she's going to be defeated once the Big E works through his issues and unlocks the secrets of the Power Of Love And Healthy Relationships with his harem.

I hope it involve some kind of laser

also this seems like a really unhealthy dynamic that the Author is deliberately avoiding with the characters.
 
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So I admit, I initially thought Paxton was the Plutocracy love interest and was going ':|...' because he kept coming across as a prick. Like, I mistook him for the 'rich guy who has more money than he knows what to do with, some trauma involving a cave in and oh no~ if only he had someone to love in his heart~ to ~redeem him~' and was mentally groaning in dread at seeing that plotline play out.

Then the 'cannibalism' happened and I was honestly a little relieved to discover he was a dragon. After I'd stopped facepalming and going '...oh, duh'.

And yeah I can see Tenfold's points about Xiomara likely being a little screwed in the head but honestly if the likes of Paxton are her targets I have exactly zero problems with this. Slay on and godspeed you crazy improv windowcleaner.

It's an interesting dichotomy, actually. Eldringar is a 'true born' dragon and was always a scaly lizard. Paxton, if I'm interpreting right, seems to be one of the 'so greedy he became a dragon' cases. (On first read I thought this was cave-ins related but on second read it's likely not; Frank's comment about "slipping" makes me suspect his family - dragons and otherwise - knew)

Eldringar, being born a dragon, can have whatever personality he grows up to have. Paxton, having transformed into a dragon, must necessarily have the personality traits required to do so, making him much more guaranteed to be a monster.
 
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One thing ol' Eldy will probably have on Paxton here.

He's much more likely to just run away if he realizes that somebody who could take him shows up.
 
Ah.
Interlude One - The Dragonslayer
So, not a dragons-layer.
With the burning cap discarded along with the scorched jacket, her long silver-white hair flowing free, there could be no mistaking it.
And not a husbando option either. Unless they're trans and the binder is more than a disguise, but given Tenfold's analysis I suspect that to be unlikely. I have no problem with that.

Um. I suspect Issachar's subplot about this 'learn actual manners' stuff may be more important than we first thought :V
Hold on, isn't Eldingar around that age?
There are advantages to being a dragon NEET. Look what being a go-getter leads to!
 
wait, is this dragonslayer a silver dragon if they have silver hair? this may be a chromatic/metallic thing then if so.

Um. I suspect Issachar's subplot about this 'learn actual manners' stuff may be more important than we first thought :V

is he involved somehow?

(I hope I have not been speculating too much.)
Feel that bears mentioning given the fairly disgusting casual sexism in the comments...

what have people said? I mostly have been reading the chapters.
 
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I dunno about writing off Xiomara yet. While this was a fairly intense antagonist introduction, we know very little about her actual motivations aside from 'kill dem dragons'. It could be a wandering knight errant, or maybe like Tenfold said its seeking out an acceptable target for gratuitous violence.

Or maybe it was just a roundabout way of stealing a car.

But ultimately I'd wait until we see more of Xiomara in their downtime, and whether they pull an Eren Jaeger and rock back and forth muttering "dragons" to herself, or if we find some more humanizing traits.
 
[ ] Terrorise the local settlement into a nice meaty tithe. It's funny watching all the tiny little people run around screaming and falling over themselves and bumping into things and each other scrambling to appease you. Maybe demolish a few things so they know you mean business.
[ ] Go raid the next country over and acquire some choice loot to expand your hoard a little bit. You can really cut loose there, and it's not like they can mount up an army to come kill you when they'd have to start a war to do it. It's endlessly fun picturing them getting helplessly frustrated about it.
You'd be angrier that they're taking your lightning, but you made sure to burn down every farm they tried to build within a few miles of your spire until they got the message, so as far as you're concerned you're square. Still, you salivate a little as you picture hurling the sad little workers with their goggles and their overalls aside like flotsam as you snatch up all the lightning casks you can carry and abscond into the wilderness.
Eldingar might not be terrible relative to other dragons, but he's still a dragon.
 
Eldingar might not be terrible relative to other dragons, but he's still a dragon.

This makes me think that we should as about relations between mortals and dragons where Jun-ho is from sometime, to see if it is more like how it is in eastern mythology in our world or not. Eastern dragons tend to be thought of as beneficial; being lucky to have around, guardian spirits, nature gods, and so on, but there are a lot of exceptions I think, and an"angry river god" flooding a village for not worshiping them enough does not sound too far off for a bad eastern dragon.

feel free to let me know if I sound like I am back-seat driving here though.
 
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But ultimately I'd wait until we see more of Xiomara in their downtime, and whether they pull an Eren Jaeger and rock back and forth muttering "dragons" to herself, or if we find some more humanizing traits.
I'm pretty sure that Xiomara's going to have more to her. I mean I wouldn't be disappointed if she was just a dragon murdering machine (heheheh) but I'm going to assume there's more to her than just incredible amounts of violence.
 
Just gonna lay out a couple things.

Exactly what reason would Eldingar have to be mixing it up with the preeminent dragonslayer of all the world? Where would this happen? How would a loser like him even come to such a luminary's attention?

And then it occurred to me.

What if our Plutocracy map marker wasn't Xiomara, who sounds very scary and also quite hot, but was instead Xiomara's boyfriend? One that Eldingar was taking as one of his dates to Grandma's big millennial bash (oh hey didn't Xio just decapitate a scaled up dwarf preparing for his 100th birthday hmm)...

Wouldn't that just make the perfect combination of location, situation, motivation, and Zerban's trash fetishes?
 
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I think it unlikely that the/a transman character also happens to be someone who would be out for the protagonist's blood.

Like, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't a part of this thread's genesis a response to "this forum has a bad habit of being super problematic regarding m/m representation" that we had... like this whole big blowup about? I get the impression "the transman is also the villain" would feed into that?

What's the opposite of Queercoding the bad guys?
 
I think it unlikely that the/a transman character also happens to be someone who would be out for the protagonist's blood.

Like, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't a part of this thread's genesis a response to "this forum has a bad habit of being super problematic regarding m/m representation" that we had... like this whole big blowup about? I get the impression "the transman is also the villain" would feed into that?

What's the opposite of Queercoding the bad guys?
Well I mean, a queer character being an antagonist isn't a bad thing. A queer person being an antagonist *because* they're queer is bad, but logically speaking characters on the LGBT spectrum should be able to fill any sort of role.

And, again, we don't know that much about Xiomara. We don't even know if they are the 'villain' in the context of the story. All we saw was Xiomara killing a dragon who regularly eats his employees as snacks. Don't rule anything out, and don't jump to conclusions.
 
Why did I not read this until now?

Some scattered thoughts so far, if I had to pick a favorite, I'd say I'm leaning toward Abzu, but Belial and Jun-ho are very good too. Makram I'm waiting on for more development.

I love Xiomara, so frigging cool.
 
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edit: wait, gay.
Hrm.

Can we add her as a friend to the harem?
She's the-
Straight Best Friend as opposed to Gay Best Friend?
-yes that.
Thhheeeeere waaaaaaaas no part of this prediction that did not make me incredibly uncomfortable, please no more of that.
also this seems like a really unhealthy dynamic that the Author is deliberately avoiding with the characters.
I managed to glaze straight over that, but yeah no. Rex stop being an Edgelord :V

Also I found this through Gilded and can't wait for more holy crap this is beyond adorable.
 
Chapter Twenty-One: Lord Elding And The Terrible Horrible No-Good Very Bad Fiscal Year
You don't like it. You really don't like it. The thought of other people rummaging around inside your spire cracking the stone and ruining everything makes your scales crawl, let alone having to pay them for the privilege, eughhhh. But... it is one of the demands Mother made of you, and it is more for the others than her on top of that. And to be honest you're in an especially sanguine mood after your night with Belial so, well, might as well make the most of it.

You step out of the cubicle, steam billowing out in your wake as the hot water continues to fall, pointing over your shoulder with a thumb. "Still hot for you. I have contractors to talk to."

Belial steps in close, and isn't that still just the most thrilling thing ever? Getting to see that handsome face of his up close and personal, that familiar scent returning to grace your nose. You're close enough to kiss again.

"You sure you don't want to wait for me?" he asks. "I won't be long."

"No no, take as much time as you need," you reply, waving your hand dismissively. "It'll be nothing but book-keeping and negotiating today, very boring. I assure you I'll be fine. You can amuse yourself here in town however you'd like - I assume you were planning to hitch a ride back in someone's dreams too?"

"Mm. Probably Makram. Take a gander at what he dreams of." Belial curls his talons around your scaly chin and tugs you in closer for another kiss, soft and sweet and practically chaste. You've never had a 'good morning' kiss before but if they're all like that then you have been missing out. You're still blinking when he breaks the kiss and lets you lean back. "Good luck out there, Eldingar. See you back at the spire."

"See you..." you say, somewhat dazed, as Belial climbs into the recently-vacated shower. You are very sorely tempted to stick around and take a look but that would be both overly indulgent given last night and at least a little suspect, even for you. You leave Belial to his own devices and return to the front desk to check out, assuming your generic merchant disguise the minute you leave the bathroom.

You check out easily and spend most of your trip out the door and down the street agonising over how exactly you're supposed to do this. Paying exorbitant amounts of money so nobody asks any questions is one thing, but by necessity these people will have to walk right up to and come inside your home. Even with multiple people there to keep them honest, that's still pretty fucking hard to sweep away. 'Yes hello I am respected businessman, eligible bachelor and all-around enviable man of mystery Lord Elding, I want you to take my money and improve this obvious dragon's lair'. There is always Mother's suggestion of a speciality Plutocracy team that knows how to keep their mouths shut about obvious dragon patrons but for one they'll be even more expensive and for another... well you really don't want to do something Mother told you to even if it is the best option.

Somewhat reluctantly re-assuming your Lord Elding guise, you go trawling the Plutocracy's quarter of things in search of your quarry. Even if they had no space to themselves and were left scattered all around Söfnun trying to attract the old-fashioned way it'd still be easy to tell Plutocracy types apart from the others. There's this certain angular gloss (whatever the fuck that means) to them, the way they sell themselves. Like they understand spending money to make money on a level that other mortals can only dream at. You of course understand it on no levels because you have the fiscal sense of a haddock and your biggest personal acquisitions are made via the bargaining position of possessing very sharp teeth and claws and the ability to breathe lightning. In any case you find a place that looks promising in short order and head inside to negotiate things.

Logically you know you should probably spend the rest of the day shopping around and collecting quotes like a dragon collects shiny things and sifting through them all, taking second or third visits to try and see how low everyone will get, but honestly that sounds exhausting and you don't want to drain this good mood completely dry before you get home so you settle, fast. Even the boss person you talk to - a sun-baked woman named Mahi with surprisingly intricate markings made in black ink on her lips and chin, probably from the islands far southeast - seems a little surprised at the speed with which you cave.

"How soon can you start?" you ask. "I'd just prefer this done with the maximum speed and minimum of fuss."

"No worries sir, 'no fuss' is our slogan," she replies. "We pride ourselves on always being ready to serve clients of your ah, pedigree. Especially when they're needing to make a few changes in a hurry, eh?"

"I don't-" you cut yourself off, eyes narrowing to electric blue slits as you stare suspiciously at the tattooed woman. A thousand thoughts rush through your head but most of them are just some variant of screaming 'MOTHERRRRRR!' accusingly to the sky so you choose to say nothing at all. Instead you sign what she tells you to sign where she tells you to sign it and walk out of there with your receipt, confident that you at least managed to get something done like a normal dragon with their life completely in order.

Then you see the amount on the receipt in question and have a minor heart palpitation. You're left slumped against the side of the building, one hand clutching your chest and the other holding the receipt out like the bloody dagger you just wrenched from it. This is... ffffine, this is fine. It's fine, you tell yourself as you stand up straight and fold the receipt down. It's fine, everything's fine. You make money, you can make the money back to cover the costs, just given a little time. In unrelated matters you suddenly feel like you should head into your house's headquarters and check the books a little, just to refresh your memory on exactly what your dividends are and when the money accumulates. No stress, no issue, you tell yourself as you power-walk across the city.

You find yourself in your office for probably the first time in eight-to-ten months, a very heavy and important ledger being dumped open on your desk in front of you.

"Here are the figures you requested, sir," says the dumper in question, a grey-white and black bird-woman with a halo of longer black feathers splayed out behind her head like some kind of fashion statement and several gold rings stacked up around her throat.

You look down at the book, then double-take as the woman registers in your mind. "And- who are you?"

"Amina. Your new secretary?"

Your brow furrows. "And why do I have a new secretary?"

"Because Marco fled the country with quite a few house assets in tow," she explains patiently, as if to a child. "And since he's understandably not coming into work any more, here I am."

Your brow furrows deeper. "Who?"

"Your... old secretary," she replies. "The one who worked for you for twelve years." She gestures illustratively, one taloned hand reaching as high up as she can manage. "Orc? Quiet, didn't complain, you made him work through his son's birthday?"

You give it a moment's more thought. "I'll take your word for it," you say, pulling the ledger closer. "Now, on to the important business. What's my personal income and how can I boost it quickly?"

"Well," she says with a deep breath, in much the same tone one would use to prepare to tell a child their dog was run over by a carriage. "Your personal income is currently 'nothing' because Marco did a little merchant espionage on the side to cover his tracks and now the house is tanking." She drops a sheet of parchment in front of you with an elegant flick of her wrist. It's a letter from those bastards the Rosso twins. "We're currently the lowest-rated in all of Söfnun and haemorrhaging money and looking at a buyout. So if it's more money in your pocket you're looking for... well, their door's open."

You freeze utterly. Hands flat on the table, fingers spread, neck aching from the strain of locking in place as you stare down at the hard, numerical truth of your situation. You make a noise, something like a strangled squawk and a gurgle and a squeak, deep in the back of your throat.

"Are... are you alright sir?" Amina asks.

"Hm? What? No. Fine. Everything's fine." You purse your lips to the limits of pursing that mortal lips are capable of and start scratching your beard, scratch-scratch-scratch until it almost seems as if the magical skinsuit will peel and you'll just tear away the elven disguise in great bloodless chunks to expose the panicking blue dragon beneath. "In fact I think you should take the rest of the day off, I'm so relaxed I just need a couple days to think all this through properly."

"But the deadline is next week."

"(ohandthere'sadeadlinethat'sgreat)" You stand up all of a sudden, chair scraping so hard and loud across the floor that you probably left gouges. "And also I just recalled I have a Thing that I need to deal with so I really must leave at once enjoy the rest of your day Damina-"

"Amina."

"-whatever, I really must dash."

Perhaps not literally but oh do you ever double-time it out of the House Elding enclave, shouldering men and women out of the way in your panicked fugue state, employed or just visiting alike. You give thought to using the main exit but you rapidly realise there's no way you'll make it that far. Instead you hang a hard left and barge through the kitchens and out the back door amid many a confused "s-sir?" and "Lord Elding?". You finally burst free of that wretched hellprison in a small, private back alley with no currently-unloading wagons or anything else to disturb you. You slam the door shut behind you with a crack, hang a right, storm down the rest of the way into a dead end stone wall and- and-

Remember at the last second that there's still a pretty hard limit to what you can get away with venting inside the city limits. Even now you can see lightning crackle and arch between your fingers, the nails darkening as the talons hidden beneath threaten to punch through at any second. Your back aches, intangible wings shifting anxiously beneath the false muscle. Instead you make a noise something like a boiling teakettle, vigorously punch at nothing, scream very silently through clenched teeth, and wildly shake your fists in the air as if roughly milking a gigantic cow.

"Rough day at the office huh?"

You whirl around so fast your vision blurs, clutching at your heart as you collapse against the wall behind you. "don'tdothat!" you wheeze, balling your free hand into a fist and smacking the solid stone beside you in some small act of vengeance.

"D'aww. Sorry sweet thing, didn't mean to frighten you."

There's a woman standing before you, a woman you know for damn sure was not in this alleyway when you came in. She's tall, graceful, fetching if you're into that sort of thing. The wavy locks of raven-black hair that fall past her shoulders seem at once both exhaustively styled and completely carefree, her pale and fine-featured face free of makeup save the striking shade of purple she chose for her lips. To match her canted eyes you see, upon closer inspection. Bright as amethyst and inviting as anything, sparkling with intelligence and amusement. She's from the east, the same as Jun-ho's homeland maybe, and dresses like it to boot - not that that's any shock in Söfnun. The crowds come with such a visible culture-clash in dress alone that you doubt you'd even notice her silk-robe-and-sash thing at all - soft pink with white trim and lavender designs cut through with red at the waist, folded left over right to cover her more-than-ample chest (how does it even stay on like that?) - were she not alone in an alleyway with you. It seems much too precious and delicate a thing to even risk in a back alley or on the street.

"You did not frighten me," you snap, straightening up. "I was startled, that is all. Now-" you take a moment to catch your breath and straighten your hair a little "-what business do you have back here?"

"I heard you were having a little money-trouble."

Your eyes widen. How does everyone know about this before you!? As if to capitalise on your vulnerability and shock, the woman begins to approach. Her strides are slow and measured, smooth as anything, each step marked by the soft 'clack' of sandal on stone. You certainly feel no urge to back away, which is good because there's a solid wall behind you so you can't either way.

"How do you-"

"Shhhhh enough of that." She raises a finger to her lips briefly. "Now is the time to be pretty and silent."

For a moment, just one utterly horrifying moment, you wonder if this is the guise that Mother's taken to blend in in Söfnun. You thankfully discard it a moment later - she's much too proud to have chosen the form of some beautiful twentysomething, and probably would've opened with a lot more mocking you for being brainless and easy to dupe. If you didn't know any better you'd say this woman is trying to seduce you.

The woman in question stops just short of you, maybe three more strides in all. She delicately reaches into one sleeve of her robe and withdraws a small, rolled-up scroll, letting it dangle loosely between her fingers.

"I've been here for a little while already, you see," she says. "And in my wanderings here and there, nothing down the little whispers I listen to, I've found out a few rather interesting things. Business dealings. Financial details. Bank secrets~"

"And why bring them to me?" you ask. "What do you stand to gain from this?"

"I want to steal from very rich people, sweet thing."

"Like me?" you say suspiciously. She just laughs. "Hey now-"

"You? Darling you don't have anything to steal," she giggles, resting the tip of the scroll against her chin. "Quite the opposite. I'd like you to help me. And then we can go our separate ways, both much wealthier and very... satisfied~"

The pause before 'satisfied' leaves you deeply, deeply uncomfortable but you have more important questions than asking her to clarify. "But why me then?" you ask instead. "If I'm so beneath your notice then why approach me with an opportunity like this?"

"Look," she says, striding across that last little gap between you. You shrink against the wall unconsciously but she gets right up in your personal space all the same, practically pressing against you. You're close enough to smell her perfume, close enough to hear her breathing. She tilts her wrist and taps the scroll against your chin this time. "Let's not do this dance of transparent lies any longer than we have to. We both know that you're a man of certain... shall we say exotic talents. And I'm a woman with more than a few talents of her own. I'd say there's quite a lot we can do for each other~"

You swallow, hard. You get the feeling she takes your reaction the wrong way, trailing the scroll-end down to rest in the hollow of your throat.

"Your rivals, the Rossos. Their vaults in particular are quite recently full with cold, hard cash and other such valuables after their ah... lucrative behind-the-scenes dealings with your former secretary, among other things. Just think about all that gold, all that wealth that's rightfully yours. Prime for the taking if the two of us work together. Don't you want to get your own back, 'Lord Elding'?"

More than anything you just want this moment to end.

But... much as it pains you to say, her offer is tempting. Very, very tempting. Your instincts are rapidly gathering strength somewhere buried deep in your gut, that visceral, hateful urge to just take wing and hatefuck the House Rosso headquarters with lightning for daring to cross a dragon, even unwittingly. But that wouldn't be even slightly constructive and would still leave you with your existing problem of everything you've worked so mildly hard to build in Söfnun coming crashing down around your ears. If you steal enough from them then you can save your House, and it's only merchant espionage if you get caught. Which you won't because you have infinite disguises and you only just met your accomplice. And you have no idea what you're supposed to do to save your finances if you don't do this.

But on the other hand this woman has no idea what personal space is and seems to have completely the wrong idea about you and you might wind up needing to have multiple conversations about that before your theoretical partnership is through. And she's vaguely threatening of course, but that's kind of normal for you. You may have leapt before you looked on the spire job but you didn't spend everything, you could still potentially scrape something together.

[ ] Take the woman's offer. Get your own back and rob those Rosso bastards blind.
[ ] Reject the woman's offer. You'll come up with your own plan to save the House and your dwindling coffers with a lower chance of backfiring - hopefully.
Adhoc vote count started by ZerbanDaGreat on May 21, 2018 at 7:47 PM, finished with 84 posts and 47 votes.
 
[X] Take the woman's offer. Get your own back and rob those Rosso bastards blind.

ONWARDS TO HEIST ADVENTURES!

(The Bullying of Eldingar continues)
 
[X] Reject the woman's offer. You'll come up with your own plan to save the House and your dwindling coffers with a lower chance of backfiring - hopefully.

This screams trap. And hey, I'm probably going to lose and that means if it goes wrong I can say, "I told you so." :V
 
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