DarkKing98
Certified Village Idiot
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Ah! So that explains Sunshine's vote drop! Ok then.
Swordland (SAO-inspired, but it makes more sense)
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Rossum
Not a Cyberman
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- Earth
Okay seriously. What is your problem?
I guess this proves you will never be satisfied with any attempt at compromise because the only reason the True Magic vote is splitting is because you keep whining and complaining that it's not your vote.
"Oh it's OP! Oh it's OP! Waaahhh! People want to make use of a trait that the QM themselves offered up as a viable choice and I don't like it! I'm going to keep pestering and bothering everyone until the voting system itself breaks and my choice wins by default! Yaaaaay!"
The reason I'm not voting for magnificent bastard is because we're playing in the middle of a Death Game where our bullshit can get people killed! I'm not voting for sunshine because role-playing in the middle of a Death Game is kinda fruity. I mean, it's not as bad as the bastard one, but I would still prefer the option that gives a mechanical advantage to saving everyone's lives.
Hell, if given the option, I'd gladly vote for something like.
[] "True Magic" first choice, "Sunshine in a bottle" second choice.
Because otherwise I'd have to keep watching everyone else's tactical voting to keep bastard from winning.
We haven't even left char gen and even seen how the actual game and setting look for god's sake.
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- Festering in a vat of acid
I am all for True Magic. I don't care which version.
I thought we had to change to V2 because there was something wrong with the last version.
I have been in Quests where the GM finds something they don't like with a plan and cancels it so another version has to be made, but that does not seem to be the case here.
I thought we had to change to V2 because there was something wrong with the last version.
I have been in Quests where the GM finds something they don't like with a plan and cancels it so another version has to be made, but that does not seem to be the case here.
DarkKing98
Certified Village Idiot
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Personally, narratively speaking, I'm seeing it as a coping mechanism for being shoved into a death game.
But your reasoning for not voting Sunshine is solid.
Mother Nyx
Mother of Elpis
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My problem is that being able to vote like that ruins the integrity of system. One voter, one plan.
That's it.
Especially in cases like this where the only difference between the plans is one thing and voters are voting for both of them so at least one of them wins. That pings alllll kinds of red flags.
That's it.
Especially in cases like this where the only difference between the plans is one thing and voters are voting for both of them so at least one of them wins. That pings alllll kinds of red flags.
Chronobreak
Chara Appreciator
- Location
- Chicago
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- He/Him
I accept being called fruity. It kind of is, but it just seems more like a thing a normal videogamer would do when playing a game, and it amuses me that's a Kayaba watches and rewards that behavior.
I think most people could find comfort in being a person that isn't themself, once in a while. Or always, if it comes to that.
I think most people could find comfort in being a person that isn't themself, once in a while. Or always, if it comes to that.
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SpreadSheet Online is going to have a steep suicide rate.
Birdsie
Sharp Talons Cleave The Worthy
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- Poland
I would love to offer brilliant insight but I am not awake enough for this. I'll leave patching this situation up to you guys and when I'm back tomorrow and I see someone arguing about something still, then I'll try to defuse the situation.
I am off to sleep now.
EDIT: I wrote "sober" there on accident to describe what my state is not and realized it was a mistake. Haven't been drinking I'm just exhausted and I think this proves it. Fixed it now.
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Again, it kinda depends on what our goal or objective is?
If its 'Be a selfish bastard and let everyone else do the work' then yes, we are indeed an asshole. If we want to form a strong raid group (because thats the only feasible way to 'win' the game) and get rid of the gankers / PKers? Then not so much.
Looking at it from a more pessimistic / cold viewpoint, lives are very much a finite resource in a deathgame. And no good chessmaster would foolishly throw away their own pieces when the opponent has an unending supply of pieces. (Kayaba and his floors / the entire game being the opponent)
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[X] Plan Sunshine in a Bottle
Wow, okay my choice would have been for the true magic path. The ability to glitch the system so unique effects could occur like permanent aoe spells, healing potions that tame monsters, spoke to me.
Due to the rewrite dividing the vote, I don't like the rewrite. I choose strategic voting.
I hate Magnificent Bastard because it is similar to sunshine, and mocks parodies of dungeon crawls and open worlds.
Wow, okay my choice would have been for the true magic path. The ability to glitch the system so unique effects could occur like permanent aoe spells, healing potions that tame monsters, spoke to me.
Due to the rewrite dividing the vote, I don't like the rewrite. I choose strategic voting.
I hate Magnificent Bastard because it is similar to sunshine, and mocks parodies of dungeon crawls and open worlds.
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That would only happen if every single person voting for V1 changes their vote to include a vote for v2, AND if every single new person who might vote for V2 decides to vote for V1 as well.
Approval voting of plans is basically what this is, and in the slim chance that a tie DOES result, then there is a tie break. Because splitting the vote is just as bad. Dooming a plan that might have otherwise won to failure, simply because not everyone who voted for 1 got the memo that 2 was made.
It would only ping red flags if only one side was allowed to use approval voting. To bring in politics because that is the only situation I'm familiar with involving voting, it'd be like if the Democrats could vote "Democrat", but the Republicans had to vote specific people, so the generalize "Democrat" won over any specified people.
This is not the case here. You are allowed to vote for several plans as well, if there are other plans you would like to support alongside your main plan. You could vote for ALL of them if you want (though that would render such a vote useless), or vote for all except one, giving that plan an effective -1 vote.
Mother Nyx
Mother of Elpis
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...How? Also, people trying to paint me as an unreasonable asshole, bro, that wasn't a compromise. It was a full out sweeping of the board. \
Notice I have no problem with anything except that. Sunshine is fine. I prefer Magnificent Bastard but I wouldn't mind Sunshine.
I just feel like it'd be more interesting playing an actual adult main character in one of these quests for once and I'm interested in seeing if Birdie can show the difference in mindset that there would be.
DevilsAdvocate
Always follow the golden rule.
How does the rewrite not have everything you said?
I am OK with you choosing another plan, but I am not sure what you dislike in the TM2 plan and am a little confused.
DarkKing98
Certified Village Idiot
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- USA
You must also take into consideration that some people just vote and then leave until the GM updates, despite the fact that another plan may come along that they like better.
Pretty sure this is only allowed for True Magic and True Magic v2 due to their similarity. Though I may be wrong.
DevilsAdvocate
Always follow the golden rule.
I was voting for Sunshine and magic
And last I checked, there is no rule againt that.
And last I checked, there is no rule againt that.
That was what I was refering to, so I'm not sure if you are agreeing with me, or completely misunderstand what I was trying to say.
Well, I think it should be allowed for all plans. We'll have to wait for @Birdsie to wake up in a couple hours however, since he is too sleepy to give a ruling as of yet.
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The rewrite nerfed the extremes to 'nope, nope, nope'. The original gave the extreme of 'cheat death' for limit scale of ability. The rewrite became 'very minor changes the system will never notice, and hacks that are more trouble to set up than worth the effort'.
DevilsAdvocate
Always follow the golden rule.
The request was "the same. But without respawn and with everything else better" and that is supposingly what glitchcrafting does.
And apparently, as there is resurrection items and we can duplicate them, we do still have respawn as a eventual goal that we can make.
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- The state of Paranoia
But in exchange we won't have the homicidal lunatic who runs this game (in character) breathing down our neck as much. Admittedly, him breathing down our neck at all still kind of stinks...
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No-one want play my character... *Sigh* Why do I brother
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Sorry, your character looks interesting, but having no defense at all is out of character for SAO, being a death game, and strikes me as a bad idea. In a game with lower stakes (like a real MMO) it would be really awesome, but here I just see us either immediately killing everything in the room (not a bad thing at all, but also perhaps not as riveting to read) or getting killed almost immediately.
DarkKing98
Certified Village Idiot
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That the Idea, You can't kill me if you dead