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Res Publica: A Quest of Ancient Rome

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[X] Plan Celeritas et Clementia
-[X] Reassign able-bodied men from the Second Cohort to fill out the other cohorts' ranks. Transfer walking wounded who cannot keep pace or fight effectively to the Second, in like number.
-[X] Send Pompolussa, what remains of the Second Cohort, Himatus and his men back to Bovianum along with all the wounded, to ensure the supply train stays secured. Task them with keeping an ear out for Tercerian in case he tries to attack Bovianum or attempts to aid the rebels in Nola by attacking your cohorts from the rear.
-[X] Inform the captured rebels that they will be forgiven for following Gemino and allowed to return to their homes, on two conditions. Any who do not swear to these two conditions have refused Rome's clemency, and will be sold into slavery.
--[X] Firstly, the captives will receive a scarring notch on their right earlobe. If any man so marked ever abuses Rome's clemency by standing in her way again, that man will be crucified.
--[X] Secondly, the captives must convey a message to their home villages: Bovianum bent the knee to Rome. On that day, Bovianum chose to meet Rome's open hand. Gemino, in his arrogance, persecuted Bovianum. On that day, Gemino chose to face Rome's sword hand. The sword has fallen. Gemino is dead. Soon, the legion will return. All villages that bend the knee to Rome will not be harmed, as Bovianum was not harmed. All those thieves and bandits who have persecuted those villages will be destroyed by the sword of Rome, as I have destroyed Gemino. Wherever those who persecute the villages may be, and however strong they may appear, they will be destroyed. Remember, and beware!
-[X] With the rest of the cohorts (excepting the rump of the Second), slightly filled out by troops drawn from the Second, march immediately to Nola in order to reinforce Sertorius and the Hirpini in the siege.

Rerumpite non pacem Romanam, filii Samnii.
 
Shador said:
Why is people voting to disobey the orders of our superior officer? I was under the impresion that we were suposed to head to Nola ASAP, and that our chasing Gemino already put us behind schedule. Did I misunderstood something?
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He hasn't given us such explicit orders. The exact words were: "You just need to mop up the rebels and meet him at Nola to end the war. He trusts you will have no problem seeing such a simple matter to its' end, with your excellent successes thus far."
It is important to remember that both the western towns and after them Bovanium lie on our route to Nola. I will not disagree with the fact that Celeritas et Clementia is definitely faster, but we're taking about a difference in days, not weeks here. My plan simple takes a bit more time to make sure the western towns are pacified.
Simon_Jester said:
"Hearts, Minds, & the Legion's Purse," by contrast, takes several days and withholds a full cohort (the Sixth) from Sertorius. While I can see the military logic of doing so, it really isn't within our authority to make that decision. Indeed, I only justify leaving the Second behind because we're going to be transferring most of the MEN of the Second that are still capable of fighting to the other cohorts, leaving them with only, oh... 150-200 soldiers plus some walking wounded likely to recover and return to duty.
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This is false, we only send the 6th and 2nd ahead to Bovanium until we return from the western towns. Depending on the status of our injured when we get there Plan Hearts, Minds, & the Legion's Purse might actually take more troops to Nola than yours.

Edit: To expand on this, Plan Hearts, Minds, & the Legion's Purse first sends
  • the 7th directly south
  • the 2nd, 6th and all the wounded ahead to Bovanium
  • the 3rd, 9th and the gauls to the western towns (between the site of the battle and Bovanium)
With the exception of the 7th these then regroup at Bovanium to start the march south.
 
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[X] Plan Hearts, Minds & the Legion's purse
-[x] Send Mercator and the 7th cohort immediately back to Nola, he is to inform Sertorius of your success, thank him for the assistance provided and inform him that you plan to follow soon.
-[x] Send Pompolussa's 2nd and the 6th cohort, together with all the wounded, ahead to Bovianum to better tend to the injured, and ensure that the supply lines stay secured until you return from the western towns.
-[x] Take the 3rd & 9th cohorts as well as the Gallic auxiliaries to pacify the western towns that supported Gemino, and ensure that the entire region is solidly under Roman control.
-[x] March the captives back to the western towns, there you offer their families a chance to ransom them at affordable rates. This offer only extends to those you determine to having recently been levied from the western towns. The rest are to be sold as slaves.
 
What is up with the vote I thought Celeritas etc Clementia was the vote to just go to Nola and sell the captives.
Edit never mind find where it changed
 
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[X] Plan Moving Forward
-[X] Turn and march immediately for Nola, in order to reinforce Sertorius and the Hirpini in the siege.
-[X] Sell them into slavery, both increasing your own personal coffers and gaining more money for the legion.

One thing I dislike is that most officers especially Lieutenants fresh from wherever they come from ,try to make plans for specific things and instead just complicate everything else. These is a trained military. They know what they are doing just give simple orders and get it over with.
 
[X] Plan Moving Forward

An individual legionary's share of the slaves isn't much but our commander's share will be better and politics is expensive. There are two messages we want to reinforce. 1. Surrender is life, and 2. rebellion is ruin. Clemency is for those who haven't been killing our soldiers mere hours ago.
 
[X] Plan Moving Forward
-[X] Turn and march immediately for Nola, in order to reinforce Sertorius and the Hirpini in the siege.
-[X] Sell them into slavery, both increasing your own personal coffers and gaining more money for the legion.
 
Nurgle said:
[X] Plan Moving Forward
-[X] Turn and march immediately for Nola, in order to reinforce Sertorius and the Hirpini in the siege.
-[X] Sell them into slavery, both increasing your own personal coffers and gaining more money for the legion.

One thing I dislike is that most officers especially Lieutenants fresh from wherever they come from ,try to make plans for specific things and instead just complicate everything else. These is a trained military. They know what they are doing just give simple orders and get it over with.
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I concur with you, though more in the sense that trying to micromanage with very precise and detailed orders doesn't quite feel right to me. Atellus's main duty (in my opinion) is deciding the broad stroke of policy: kill the captives, grant mercy, make joining Sertorius his priority, protect the towns, etc. It's not that managing the little things isn't part of his job description or important, but trying to include every little contingency right now seems cumbersome. They will figure out the best way to implement the objective.

EDIT: I originally set out with a slightly different vibe in mind, but what I ended up writing gives me something very similar to what you said. Just basically agreement, then :)
 
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Nurgle said:
[] both increasing your own personal coffers and gaining more money for the legion.
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So you would shaft the legionnaires and give them nothing? :V

Burt seriously, the way the sharing of stakes worked was there would a personal cut for the legionnaires, a personal cut for us, personal cuts for some commanders/special individual bonuses, and a cut for the legion as a unit. From that a cut for the whole army would be taken, and Sertorius would get a cut of that.

There is one slave for every twenty legionnaires, so the total average value per capita would be 1/20th of a slave's worth.

Assuming a simplified threeways split ratio for a legionnaire, they would get 1/60th of a slave's worth.

But as I noted in a previous comment, the de facto price could be one order of magnitude less that the theoretical average slave price.

So, at the end of it all, a legionnaire could end up with less than 1/600th of the value of a slave.
 
xa na xa said:
So you would shaft the legionnaires and give them nothing? :V

Burt seriously, the way the sharing of stakes worked was there would a personal cut for the legionnaires, a personal cut for us, personal cuts for some commanders/special individual bonuses, and a cut for the legion as a unit. From that a cut for the whole army would be taken, and Sertorius would get a cut of that.

There is one slave for every twenty legionnaires, so the total average value per capita would be 1/20th of a slave's worth.

Assuming a simplified threeways split ratio for a legionnaire, they would get 1/60th of a slave's worth.

But as I noted in a previous comment, the de facto price could be one order of magnitude less that the theoretical average slave price.

So, at the end of it all, a legionnaire could end up with less than 1/600th of the value of a slave.
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First cohort would let such a small sum slide - they've sacked a town already. These guys haven't had any loot under our command yet. Even if it's only enough to buy a drink or two they'll feel it if we turn it down.
 
[X] Plan Moving Forward
-[X] Turn and march immediately for Nola, in order to reinforce Sertorius and the Hirpini in the siege.
-[X] Sell them into slavery, both increasing your own personal coffers and gaining more money for the legion.
 
It seems that a clear majority want to head south as quickly as possible and my plan, spending too much time on trying to pacify this region, doesn't provide that. That said, I still think that we should keep up with our 'Samnite friendly'-routine in this vote, if only to not risk the great successes we achieved with the Pentri so far.

Nurgle said:
One thing I dislike is that most officers especially Lieutenants fresh from wherever they come from ,try to make plans for specific things and instead just complicate everything else. These is a trained military. They know what they are doing just give simple orders and get it over with.
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I would be 100% with you, if this was a military vote. But this isn't. We just spend a bunch of turns wooing the Pentri over to the side of Rome. 'Plan Moving Forward' kinda ignores all that, by enslaving a bunch of farmers and just leaving Bovanium to itself, without even stopping there. Simplicity might sometimes be for the best, but our diplomatic relations need to be cultivated and should not be completely ignored.

Since, it appears that the choice is now between Plan Celeritas et Clementia (CeC) & Plan Moving Forward (MF), this is how they compare in my eyes:
Speed: Slight edge for CeC (for traveling to Nola without the injured and without slaves)
Samnite Diplomacy: Clear edge for CeC (Not taking any slaves, leaving behind at least some protection for Bovanium)
Military Strength: slight edge for MF (Not leaving the injured behind means that they could rejoin our active forces during a potential siege of Nola)
Legion loyalty: very slight edge for MF (Selling the slaves will slightly boost our soldiers pay)

As I care most for Samnite Diplomacy the choice is easy for me:
[X] Plan Celeritas et Clementia

Thank you, @Pathetic King @Darkcrest @Crazy7s1 @Chaos Blade for voting for my plan.
 
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