Also, this little interlude (especially the "child of wisdom" line) tips the scale significantly towards the "gods exist" side.

Well, she could just be a crazy lady ranting in rhyme. For all you know, anyone she's heard of reading a book and speaking well could be a 'child of wisdom'.

Oooooor, she's telling the truth, and she's the living mouthpiece of the divine Apollo.

Who knows?

Well...me. I know. But I'm not telling. :V
 
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-[X] The Enemy in the West
-[X] The Auxiliaries
-[X] Write to Sertorius
-[X] Noble Levy
--[X] Leave them to guard Bovianum and its surrounds.
--[X] Ask Himatus to find us a number of loyal volunteers to serve as scouts

Yes, I was also thinking of a "kitchen sink" plan that uses all the Roman legionnaires in our strike force. Every extra cohort makes a decisive result in our favour that much more likely.

Letting the Samnites of Bovianum defend themselves could be seen as an act of goodwill, honour and trust in the spirit of our speech.
 
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Hm.

@Caesar 's "All In" plan goes a bit further than I was willing to dare, and seems to be popular. Could I hear a little more commentary on why people feel safe leaving no cohorts around Bovianum, as opposed to half of one?

Because I'd jump on the "All In" bandwagon in a heartbeat if I were more confident that we could get away with that.

Well, she could just be a crazy lady ranting in rhyme. For all you know, anyone she's heard of reading a book and speaking well could be a 'child of wisdom'.
Which would, y'know, conveniently include just about any living Roman patrician. :p

Gengis has a much higher Administration & Logistics Skill? Would love to see how high his 'Enemy of the Khwarazmians'-Rank is :V
He has traits that got struck through:

"You are the Enemy of these people, rank infinity, but it doesn't matter, because you killed them all."
 
Hm.

@Caesar 's "All In" plan goes a bit further than I was willing to dare, and seems to be popular. Could I hear a little more commentary on why people feel safe leaving no cohorts around Bovianum, as opposed to half of one?

Because I'd jump on the "All In" bandwagon in a heartbeat if I were more confident that we could get away with that.

Which would, y'know, conveniently include just about any living Roman patrician. :p

He has traits that got struck through:

"You are the Enemy of these people, rank infinity, but it doesn't matter, because you killed them all."

If, after all our effort, these guys can't be trusted to not stab us in the back, then this whole thing was a failure. Gemino can't have any serious reserves and expect to defeat the other guy, who's more numerous than we are.
 
Hm.

@Caesar 's "All In" plan goes a bit further than I was willing to dare, and seems to be popular. Could I hear a little more commentary on why people feel safe leaving no cohorts around Bovianum, as opposed to half of one?

Because I'd jump on the "All In" bandwagon in a heartbeat if I were more confident that we could get away with that.

I think we can be reasonably confident that the noble levies are politically reliable. Also that as personal forces of nobility, house guards, bodyguards, mercenaries, etc, they are reasonably proficient militarily.

Not as much as Roman legionnaires, but that's the risk element of the plan. So it comes down to how much exactly the difference in reliability is, and if it's worth betting on or not.

(there is also the Aquilonia auxiliary rounding up the numbers)
 
Hm.

@Caesar 's "All In" plan goes a bit further than I was willing to dare, and seems to be popular. Could I hear a little more commentary on why people feel safe leaving no cohorts around Bovianum, as opposed to half of one?

Because I'd jump on the "All In" bandwagon in a heartbeat if I were more confident that we could get away with that.

Which would, y'know, conveniently include just about any living Roman patrician. :p

He has traits that got struck through:

"You are the Enemy of these people, rank infinity, but it doesn't matter, because you killed them all."
I'm not really worried about local rebellion. I just thought that only leaving behind the barely trained Auxiliaries would be insufficient. Bolstering them with the Noble Levy gives them enough strength in my eyes to defend the region from small bandit or rebel groups. Though I will admit, we should probably stop sending supply caravans to Beneventum.

What actually sold me were the long term implications/synergies. What happens once we beat Gemino and move south? We can't spare a single cohort to stand guard here. It is the local forces of Bovanium that will have to keep order in this region. More importantly they will have to be able to contain the small excursions of Tercerian's 'army'.
 
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Well, she could just be a crazy lady ranting in rhyme. For all you know, anyone she's heard of reading a book and speaking well could be a 'child of wisdom'.

Oooooor, she's telling the truth, and she's the living mouthpiece of the divine Apollo.

Who knows?

Well...me. I know. But I'm not telling. :V
Just to be save I petition to never get close to Israel unless we want to convert.:whistle:
I mean, it's only around 80 years left, but do you really want to risk messing with God from the Old Testament?:o
 
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Quick question guys, how would you rate Genghis Khan compared to Alexander? I would say both of their accomplishments were equally astounding....

I'd actually say Ghenghis Khan was more impressive. Unlike Alexander he built his empire from basically nothing, he conquered far more territory and- critically- managed to keep his immediate successors from letting it fall apart. I'm that he's much more like Caesar- a brilliant politician as well as a capable commander.

No, Alexander is better compared to Hannibal or Napoleon.
 
[Insert "Puny God"-Hulk clip, with SPQR flag over his face(EU4 Meme style)]

Not the best of ideas, although we won't have to be around to deal with the man that didn't stay dead. Old Testament God fucked with other gods in their place of power by just sending a single believe.

Granted, the Jews have lots of spots in their history where Old Testament God didn't go ham, so we should be good in the period we go there in.


No, Alexander is better compared to Hannibal or Napoleon.

You have it backwards. Hannibal and Napoleon are best compared to Alexander.
 
Just to be save I petition to never get close to Israel unless we want to convert.:whistle:
I mean, it's only around 80 years left, but do you really want to risk messing with God from the Old Testament?:o
Frankly I would crack down on the abusive local administrators and let Jews get the same protection and rights as other religions.

That and there's the chance we can meet baby Jesus as an old man. So much story potential there.
 
I'm not really worried about local rebellion. I just thought that only leaving behind the barely trained Auxiliaries would be insufficient. Bolstering them with the Noble Levy gives them enough strength in my eyes to defend the region from small bandit or rebel groups. Though I will admit, we should probably stop sending supply caravans to Beneventum.
Uh... do you mean taking supply caravans from Beneventum? Because that's where our supplies have been coming from. Not sure I follow what you're saying here.

What actually sold me were the long term implications/synergies. What happens once we beat Gemino and move south? We can't spare a single cohort to stand guard here. It is the local forces of Bovanium that will have to keep order in this region. More importantly they will have to be able to contain the small excursions of Tercerian's 'army'.
That... is a fair point.

Frankly I would crack down on the abusive local administrators and let Jews get the same protection and rights as other religions.

That and there's the chance we can meet baby Jesus as an old man. So much story potential there.
Just for the record, Quintus Atellus was born in 103 B.C., whereas to the best of historians' ability to discern, Jesus was born (somewhat paradoxically) in 4 B.C.

That'd be a very old man. I mean, you thought Marius was old, but wow. :p
 
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That and there's the chance we can meet baby Jesus as an old man. So much story potential there.
Be the fourth "king".:whistle:
(Atellus is 18 in 85 BC., that would put him in his 100s when Jesus comes around. It might be the last journey of an emperor!)
Now that would be a legendary, or dare I say it, mythical feat. And maybe even legitimise Christianity in one fell swoop.

I mean, I wasn't being entirely serious. My lust for conquest is too great and the potential to open the Empire to Christianity in the future might win us brownie points with the Big Guy.:D
 
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Uh... do you mean taking supply caravans from Beneventum? Because that's where our supplies have been coming from. Not sure I follow what you're saying here.

That... is a fair point.
Sorry, I could have been clearer. I assumed that the caravans (Not the supply part) have to travel back and forth. I attributed their point of origin to us since we provide their guards.
 
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Just for the record, Quintus Atellus was born in 103 B.C., whereas to the best of historians' ability to discern, Jesus was born (somewhat paradoxically) in 4 B.C.

That'd be a very old man. I mean, you thought Marius was old, but wow. :p
Be the fourth "king".:whistle:

I mean, I wasn't being entirely serious. My lust for conquest is too great and the potential to open the Empire to Christianity might win us browny points with the Big Guy.:D
Well, a symbolic recognition of the change of the times, a passing of the torch between the old pagan Rome and the Christian one, would make for a nice epilogue IMO.

Atellus would have watched the Republic he grew up defending be put out of its misery by a man motivated by greed and selflessness in equal measure, become such a man himself, and grown the empire.

And here is this toddler who is born of a prophecy to rule the Jews and the world. Who teaches religious scholars the will of heaven. Who carries the presence of a demigod, yet is something more. What else can the Mortal God of Rome do but kneel before his successor?

And of course the Catholics render the whole episode Apocryphal for being too crazy, like most else of the accounts of jesus growing up.:V
 
Well, aside from the reasons already mentioned, I personally think the risk is acceptable because:

1 - I don't think there are that many malcontents left around Bovianum. We've killed quite a few and the rest are likely already with Gemino. Any that remain are not going to be paragons of martial virtue and courage.

2 - I expect this to be a short, brisk campaign. Both Gemino and Atellus have reason to seek an early decision here, and the theatre is relatively limited.
 
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Those saying that Genghis Khan was greater than Alexander should not forget that one died at the age of 65 while the other died at 32. Pretty big difference there.
 
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Those saying that Genghis Khan was greater than Alexander should not forget that one died at the age of 65 while the other died at 32. Pretty big difference there.

One died at 32 and his Empire immediately fractured.

The other died at 65 and his Empire grew after his death.

Greatness is not measured by a flash in the pan, but whether the Empire you build can stand the test of time.
 
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