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♦ Private message from Toolbox_Tim (Administrator):
IndigoEight-Three: I need verification. See video here.
Toolbox_Tim (Administrator): Oh. Wow. Thats something.
IndigoEight-Three: Is there a problem?
Toolbox_Tim (Administrator): No, no, of course not. Its just... While we encourage capes to upload a video of them using their powers, it isn't normally something like this.
Aaaand Verified.
Read the rules, follow the rules, read the section of rules we specifically have for capes, don't break them, you'll get banned. yadda yadda yadda. No, I don't care if your a software tinker, PHO runs on the same type of software that the military uses, and we have tinkers of our own, don't hack or don't get caught, yadda yadda yadda
You get the picture. Out of curiosity, is there any reason you are making an account now? You clearly know what you're doing, and haven't bothered to before.
IndigoEight-Three: Public relations.
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♦Topic: What the hell happened at Arcadia High School?
In: Boards ► News ► Events ► America ► Brockton Bay
Evenpreviously (Original Poster) (Veteran Member)
Posted on November 6, 2009:
It is what is says on the Tin. No, seriously, I want to know.
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► voluminouslemur
Replied on November 6, 2009:
Look at all that blood! Does anyone know if Glory girl is going to be okay?
► MeanGreenLeanKillingMachine
Replied on November 6, 2009:
New Wave has made a statement here that Glory Girl is expected to make a full recovery, but other than that, is being very tight lipped about what happened.
► WithUtahFromL0ve
Replied on November 6, 2009:
If you look here, you can see that the same people who hit the merchants here, here, and here, were the same people in frame 3:34
Whats even more interesting is that besides the paint job, the group at 3:34 appears to be wearing exactly the same armor as this mystery cape that hurt Glory Girl. See Pic for comparison. They are clearly related somehow.
► Silenca
Replied on November 6, 2009:
Dont you think its a little creepy how quiet they all are? Even when the gunfire died down, except for the grey one here, none of them said a word.
► Not_a_Parahuman
Replied on November 6, 2009:
@Silenca
Look closer at how the body language shifts. See how they all tense, and the two circling the room turn around towards Panacea at 4:13? I'd bet internet access for a week that they were communicating using some kind of in built radio like the protectorate likes to use for their heroes. They're talking, you just can't see it.
► BoomBoom42
Replied on November 6, 2009:
@JacksInTheBox
Do you think this is related to whats going on in Columbia?
► IndigoEight-Three (Verified Cape)
Replied on November 6, 2009:
11-04-2009-10:32:44-6(Y83H%\^%F%.jpg
► Old_bob (Veteran Member)
Replied on November 6, 2009:
@IndigoEight-Three
Hah. Nope. Not touching that file with a ten foot pole. Try again with some other sucker. Fucking spammers.
► CompWhiz1
Replied on November 6, 2009:
Scans seem clean. Let me boot up a virtual machine, and we'll see what the piper has brought.
► CompWhiz1
Replied on November 6, 2009:
@IndigoEight-Three
Who the fuck are you?
► Old_bob
Replied on November 6, 2009:
@CompWhiz1
What?
► CompWhiz1
Replied on November 6, 2009:
@Old_bob
Some cape with a timestamped paper.
► Old_bob (Veteran Member)
Replied on November 6, 2009:
@ CompWhiz1
Now you got me curious.
► Old_bob (Veteran Member)
Replied on November 6, 2009:
Huh.
► CompWhiz1
Replied on November 6, 2009:
@IndigoEight-Three
Whats this about?
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► Big Mittens
Replied on November 6, 2009:
@IndigoEight-Three
Answer me!
► CaptainWedge
Replied on November 6, 2009:
@Big Mittens
they haven't answered pings since they dropped their file. Give it up.
► CompWhiz1
Replied on November 6, 2009:
Did anyone else notice how, if that photo timestamp is correct, (Which I'm pretty sure it is), that its four hours ahead of Brockton Bay?
► SpazzMatticus_the_Mad_King_from_the_north (Cape Groupie)
Replied on November 6, 2009:
So confused.
Up front; IANAT
That being said,
Here's a bunch of error analysises I did on the photo.
(Spoiler)
Level Sweep.
(spoiler)
Noise Analysis
(spoiler)
Long and short of it, this photo doesn't look like it's been edited, and it doesn't appear to be artificial either. Of course, a dedicated tech tinker bla bla bla-
Yeah. Whatever. Tinkers are always a problem, but the mods here have a proven track record at outing Tinker modifications.
@Tin_Mother is really good at this, and went I sent her a PM asking for her opinion on my math, she agreed that the image didn't appear to be fake.
Which makes me wonder why?
The footage is grainy, but there is one small time from 3:42-3:45 where they're close to the camera. The feathers can be seen with perfect clarity. Image here. The image @IndigoEight-Three posted here is of startlingly good quality. It's pretty close to being 4k. Parts of the wings are also visible, mostly peaking over the shoulders. Look at this here and here. See these holes? Our mystery Parahuman has them everywhere. I'm not sure what they are, but they are unique enough to compare to the high res image. Comparision here. All the holes I can see match perfectly.
We also got a good shot of the armor plate protecting Indigo's chest. I compared that here. Also a match.
Indigo is the same person who killed the shooter.
So why post here? Did they want us to know their watching us? What?
► Old_bob (Veteran Member)
Replied on November 6, 2009:
@CompWhiz1
Thats easy to explain. If that is a timestamp, and with how cagey they are, it might not be, then they are using UTC-0 IE, Greenwich mean time, the preferred time for all NATO Military forces so their actions are synchronized, no matter where they are around the globe.
► Noh!
Replied on November 6, 2009:
@SpazzMatticus_the_Mad_King_from_the_north
"See these holes? Our mystery Parahuman has them everywhere. I'm not sure what they are, but they are unique enough to compare to the high res image."
Those are what happens when the follicles that produce feathers get damaged beyond repair. I see it often in budgies that are stress-preening, but it can happen to just about any avian. Budgies that compulsively tear out their own feathers end up like this as the damage builds. Feather follicles can only take so much abuse before they give up.
► SpazzMatticus_the_Mad_King_from_the_north (Cape Groupie)
Replied on November 6, 2009:
@Noh!
Are you saying that you think they're a compulsive 'preener'?
@Old_bob
Another checkmark for everyone who thinks this was a military operation gone rogue.
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► amoralizer_rex
Replied on November 6, 2009:
Look, Im not saying that they did isn't shitty. A school got shot up, people are terrified, I mean, for fucks sake, GG almost died. But you can tell that they didn't expect it. While the rough trail @SpazzMatticus_the_Mad_King_from_the_north assembled isn't great, it's good enough. What's more, we know exactly where they were just before MGM hit arcadia. They were here, on the other side of the city, hitting what is presumably a drug den out in the slums.
If they planned this, why was Indigo so far away? Look at the video, Indigo is sprinting out of that house like it's about to explode, then space distorts. A minute and a half later, they arrive inside the cafeteria and start wrecking MGM's shit.
It doesn't seem like they planned it. Instead, it looks like MGM caught them flatfooted, and they called in a heavy hitter who was doing their own thing separate from the group that was chasing MGM across town.
► CaptainWedge
Replied on November 6, 2009:
@amoralizer_rex
Its their fault MGM was shooting up a school in the first place.
► amoralizer_rex
Replied on November 6, 2009:
@ CaptainWedge
And are we going to blame heroes every time a villain does something bad trying to escape them?
► CaptainWedge
Replied on November 6, 2009:
@amoralizer_rex
We don't know MGM was a villain.
► amoralizer_rex
Replied on November 6, 2009:
@CaptainWedge
Duuuude. MGM literally shot up a school.
► Wham_Bam_thankYou
Replied on November 6, 2009:
I still say this has to be connected with the batshit insanity that is coming out of Columbia.
► CaptainWedge
Replied on November 6, 2009:
@Wham_Bam_thankYou
Whats the link then?"
@amoralizer_rex
Fine. We don't know that Indigo and their merry band of gun-toting maniacs are heros. Happy?
► Noh!
Replied on November 6, 2009:
@SpazzMatticus_the_Mad_King_from_the_north
Sorry for the late response. Busy.
No. I do not think Indigo is a compulsive preener. His feathers are beautifully maintained. I'd have to do an actual examination to tell for certain, but on a visual examination, the feathers seem healthy, well-oiled, and cared for. I mean, theres some dust and grit in there, but the boy was fighting. Once you look past all that, you can see just how attentive Indigo has been with his wings.
If he were a compulsive preener, I'd expect wide swathes of bald flesh starting with the easiest to reach places first. Thats's not what I'm seeing. These bald patches are often a feather or two wide, and distributed in a chaotic manner over both pinyons.
Compulsive preeners damage their follicles over time, but if it's violent enough, it only takes a single removal to damage the follicles.
The coloration of the bald patches indicates that the damage is older than at least a year but less than ten.
The distribution tells me that the damage happened over the entirety of the wings.
I think it's a safe bet to assume that someone plucked every single feather Indigo had, and not all of them grew back.
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► SpazzMatticus_the_Mad_King_from_the_north (Cape Groupie)
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@Noh!
"He" "boy"
Where are you getting this information from?
► TingTang21
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@Noh!
"I think it's a safe bet to assume that someone plucked every single feather Indigo had, and not all of them grew back."
That's horrifying. Can you imagine how painful it would be if someone ripped all your hair out? Ouch.
► Noh!
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@TingTang21
Feathers are nothing like hair. Hair attaches to the skin. Feathers are hooked to the bone. It's less hair being plucked and more having your fingernails torn out.
@SpazzMatticus_the_Mad_King_from_the_north
Ah. Sorry.
Avian plumage is very distinct, differing species by species, and sometimes even on a gender basis. The security footage from Arcadia provided some very nice silhouettes, and the picture Indigo posted gave me detailed stills of the feathers themselves. I can even see some of the down undercoat through one of the holes in his plumage.
Different birds have different ways of flying, with wings that evolved to suit factors such as diet, climate, and migration habits. Heres a few common shapes. See how Indigos wings swoop back? These are wings that evolved for speed, and are often seen in predators. Indigos shape indicates his wings are that of a raptor. See this set of feathers here? I've only ever seen that particular structure on a single species of raptor, and while the coloration is off, when I talked with some more experienced colleagues in a wildlife sanctuary in Montana, they all agreed the structure was a perfect match. This species has some sexual dimorphism when it comes to wing structure as well. It's hard to see because of how fuzzy security footage is, but I took a still and traced the outline of the feathers.
See how there's two arcs? If Indigo were female, then the line would be flat.
I mean, I could be wrong, but, well... Look at him. Indigo is incredibly short. And there's some dimorphism in humans that's easy to see with a few lines. Here, let me show you. Image. See the way the bones are straight down? If Indigo were a girl, I'd expect a slight angle pointing inwards. Not really something you look for unless you know it's there, but easy to see once it's been pointed out. This x-ray was taken from an 11 year old girl. See the difference in the lines?
I suppose he could be an extremely short man or even a woman, especially with that armor covering all the fine details, but everything I'm seeing says I'm right. The wing structure says he's male. His bone structure agrees. The plumage structure says he's a juvenile, his size agrees.
► Not_a_Parahuman
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@Noh!
How old would you say Indigo is? Or can you not tell?
► Noh!
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@Not_a_Parahuman
If the changes are happening at a rate that reflects Indigos actual age?
9-14.
► Not_a_Parahuman
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@Noh!
"It's less hair being plucked and more having your fingernails torn out."
"9-14"
"I think it's a safe bet to assume that someone plucked every single feather Indigo had, and not all of them grew back."
I regret asking so much. I'm going to be sick.
► SpazzMatticus_the_Mad_King_from_the_north (Cape Groupie)
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@Old_bob
The more I learn about Indigo, the more puzzled I get. I just can't fit all these pieces together. Four adults in a group, and then there's this lone child that's just... what? Doing his own thing? You'd think he'd at least be with the group. And it was indigo that responded at Arcadia.
I don't buy it. There's no way that's a child.
What kind of child kills like that?
► AlicaReynolds
Replied on November 7, 2009:
I was terrified. One second, I'm eating lunch with my friends, the next, all hell was breaking loose. I don't remember much about it, other than how scary it was, but what I do remember? It was how loud it was.
There was so much noise. Guns going off. What sounded like bombs coming down the hallways. Everyone was screaming. Those dogs ripping into Victoria, snarling every second of it. Glass shattering. Bricks cracking. And it was all happening at once.
Arcadia is supposed to be a Wards School. So where were the Wards? Why didn't they do anything?
► SpazzMatticus_the_Mad_King_from_the_north (Cape Groupie)
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@AlicaReynolds
Well, maybe they needed to keep their cover?"
► AlicaReynolds
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@SpazzMatticus_the_Mad_King_from_the_north
Heroes doing nothing when people need help don't deserve the title. Vicky at least tried to do something.
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► Glory_Girl (Verified Cape)(New Wave)
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@AlicaReynolds
The wards were in the field, trying to respond to the attacks on the Merchants. Its not their fault.
@IndigoEight-Three
I'm still in the hospital because of you. Jackass. I mean, whats the point? Are you mocking me? A little 'ha ha'? It's not funny. Why'd you even post in the first place if you weren't going to answer anyone?!
► SpazzMatticus_the_Mad_King_from_the_north (Cape Groupie)
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@Glory_Girl
Its great to see that your up and about! Are you willing to answer some questions?
► TingTang21
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@Glory_Girl
What was it like? Being in the middle of that?
► IndigoEight-Three (Verified Cape)
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@Glory_Girl
I'm protesting.
► Not_a_Parahuman
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@IndigoEight-Three
Holy shit, he speaks.
► Glory_Girl (Verified Cape)(New Wave)
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@IndigoEight-Three
Protesting what?
► IndigoEight-Three (Verified Cape)
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@Glory_Girl
I'm not at liberty to discuss that.
► Glory_Girl (Verified Cape)(New Wave)
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@IndigoEight-Three
Bullshit. If you really meant it, you'd go all the way and tell us what your protesting.
► IndigoEight-Three (Verified Cape)
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@Glory_Girl
Post #928858
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► Agent_Hanson (Verified PRT Agent)
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@IndigoEight-Three
The PRT is interested in getting a statement from you. Would you be interested in coming down to our office?
► Satisfied Trash Panda
Replied on November 7, 2009:
Post #928858
@Glory_Girl said to @monoclemaniac "Look, just because I disagree with the cape law doesn't mean I think everything they've done is evil."
He's saying that just because he disagrees with them on one thing, it doesn't mean he disagrees with them on everything.
► SpazzMatticus_the_Mad_King_from_the_north (Cape Groupie)
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@Old_bob
So, with this new information, we can safely say that the first group hit Mikes Pawn shop fifteen minutes after they breached a warehouse in the docks?
► Glory_Girl (Verified Cape)(New Wave)
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@IndigoEight-Three
... You disagree with something someone had you do, but not completely?
► IndigoEight-Three (Verified Cape)
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@Glory_Girl
Of course not. That would be silly.
► Glory_Girl (Verified Cape)(New Wave)
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@IndigoEight-Three
That doesn't make any sense! Urgh! Why are you here!
► Satisfied Trash Panda
Replied on November 7, 2009:
Is this what cape Politics are really like?
► Fox_one
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@IndigoEight-Three
Do you have any plan to apologize for the people for what happened?
► IndigoEight-Three (Verified Cape)
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@Glory_Girl
I know.
► Glory_Girl (Verified Cape)(New Wave)
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@IndigoEight-Three
You want us to ask questions, don't you?
► IndigoEight-Three (Verified Cape)
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@Glory_Girl
I'm not at liberty to discuss that.
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► Glory_Girl (Verified Cape)(New Wave)
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@IndigoEight-Three
This is fucking bull! I don't get it, I don't understand it, but I'm not the only one this hurt. You took a cape fight to a school. My friends got hurt. People I say hi to in the halls got hurt. You don't give a damn but everyone else here does. Fuck you!
When you popped up, I thought I was going to get some fucking answers. I almost died. You realize that, right? I was dying when Amy got to me. And instead, nothing. Nadda. No apology, no explanation.
I started thinking you were a villain, but now I'm back to confused again, and it fucking sucks. You aren't gloating, and you aren't defending yourself. Your just there. And even if your telling the truth, it doesn't follow. If your protesting, but not telling us anything noteworthy, then all youre doing is hurting yourself. You aren't convincing anyone here, and if whoever's holding your leash really doesn't like you here, then you've just made them angry for no gain. Why? Just... fucking damnit
I've never been in a fight like that. Everyone had a fucking gun. Even the master had a fucking gun. It wasn't like he needed it. Those projections could tear any normal person limb to limb.
► Justawanderer
Replied on November 7, 2009:
I thought capes didn't normally use guns. I mean, it's counter productive. Capes don't need guns.
Right?
► IndigoEight-Three (Verified Cape)
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@Glory_Girl
I am not talking to you. I am talking through you. You are being used to send a message.
► Agent_Hanson (Verified PRT Agent)
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@IndigoEight-Three
The protectorate can protect you if you are being threatened. If you feel PHO is not secure enough, I've sent you a PM with a list of subnet addresses that can be used to directly contact me.
Please, lets talk.
► BoomBoxBrotha
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@AHumbleDruggy
No one knows where squealer is, and @IndigoEight-Three isn't talking.
► CompWhiz1
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@Big Mittens
No. Nonononononono. We are not going over the fucking morality debate again. Go reread pages 15-32, and if that doens't answer your question, then maybe, just maybe, you can shit up the thread again.
We already answered the question of 'does the danger they put themselves in to help the students make the fact that they put the students in danger in the first place?', and the answer is NO.
► Armsmaster (Verified Cape) (Protectorate ENE)
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@Glory_Girl
I understand that you have been through a traumatic expierence, but I must ask you to refrain from divulging details pertinent to an ongoing criminal investigation.
► Glory_Girl (Verified Cape)(New Wave)
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@IndigoEight-Three
Who was the message meant for?
► The_Right_Cut (Temp-banned)
Replied on November 7, 2009:
Fuck yoiu FUckyou fuck you!
do you know how many of mky buddies got fucked ovber byyou bastards
Were coming for you so prepare ytourself for it. Gonna kill you.Funna kill you all
SOon as we can find you your dead. Dead dead dead. cut up your body and dorp iot in the bay dead.
MOD EDIT: ThrowAwayaccount32156 has been merged with the main account, and posting priviliges have been restricted to Boards ► News ► Events ► America ► Staff Communication
@The_Right_Cut, come talk to us. We need to have a chat.
MOD EDIT TWO: A sitewide month long ban has been issued for threats of violence directed against another user.
MOD EDIT THREE: After review, the temp ban has been increased to a month and three days for sockpuppeting with the intent to circumvent site rules.
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► Absoulte_ego
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@ThrowAwayaccount32156
Ugh. Reported.
► IndigoEight-Three (Verified Cape)
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@Glory_Girl
Anyone who can understand what I am saying.
► Armsmaster (Verified Cape) (Protectorate ENE)
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@IndigoEight-Three
Before dismissing our offer out of hand, perhaps in would be prudent to hear what we have to offer, and how we can protect you.
► Satisfied Trash Panda
Replied on November 7, 2009:
This is hilarious. The wierdo is just ignoring the Protectorate. Who does that?
► SpazzMatticus_the_Mad_King_from_the_north (Cape Groupie)
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@Satisfied Trash Panda
He's ignoring everyone else too.
► Glory_Girl (Verified Cape)(New Wave)
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@IndigoEight-Three
This is stupid.
► Fully_Charged (Veteran Member)
Replied on November 7, 2009:
Another five incidents confirmed to be merchant targets. I'm getting real sick of people saying this wasn't a precision strike, but I'll make you all a deal. If anyone can give me a single instance where the target wasn't a Merchant or affiliated with the Merchants, I'll shut up.
► CompWhiz1
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@Fully_Charged
Arcadia.
► Fully_Charged (Veteran Member)
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@CompWhiz1
Doesn't count. They were collateral. The target was the cape.
► IndigoEight-Three (Verified Cape)
Replied on November 7, 2009:
@Glory_Girl
It is what I am allowed.
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