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Sending A Bigger Monster: A Hellsing/Tokyo Ghoul Crossover Fanfiction

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TheLurker said:
See, my interpretation is that vlad is a First Generation true vampire, (as opposed to the asssembly-lined knockoffs millennium made) and that all vampires can do what he said, but they get progressivly weaker with each new generation, given his speech when fighting the valentine brother, there ARE (or at least were) more first generation (or close to it) vampires out there, and he HAS fought and killed them before. Seras might not ever get to vlad's level of power, but she's the only childe of an OLD AS SHIT first gen. (Possibly the first PERIOD) and has partaken of blood willingly offered by another. That makes her pretty fucking strong. Hell that one vampire from the original hellsing anime is a pretty good display of what else is lurking in that background of the series, there's a lot of other mystical stuff besides vampires going around.


EDIT: Also, integra says that hellsings monster is the "Biggest of them all" what if she means that literally? That alucard is the only first generation vampire left in existence?
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And, don`t forget. Here in Tokyo Ghoul, Seras is the first and, so far, ONLY vampire in the world. To the point of where the Tokyo Ghoul:re manga is at this point, the only native inhabitants I think who could POSSIBLY pose Seras a real challenge are Eto, Arima, and the One-Eyed King, but the last one is only there because we literally know nothing about him and it`s only been implied that he is wicked powerful.
 
Xavier Rall said:
And, don`t forget. Here in Tokyo Ghoul, Seras is the first and, so far, ONLY vampire in the world. To the point of where the Tokyo Ghoul:re manga is at this point, the only native inhabitants I think who could POSSIBLY pose Seras a real challenge are Eto, Arima, and the One-Eyed King, but the last one is only there because we literally know nothing about him and it`s only been implied that he is wicked powerful.
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Also don't forget seras has that ability shown in the anime where iscariot visited where she covered the entire base in her shadow that let her know everything that happened within it.

THAT'S gonna be a nightmare and a half for anybody trying to kill her.
 
I see a story with Seras, I hit follow. Nice work so far, I have no idea about Tokyo Ghoul though. Do they have the same complete bullshit regeneration abilities? The illusions? And all the other stuff Seras should have via Alucard?
 
I think the title of the story is wrong, Seras isn't a bigger monster.

'Sending a More Monstery Monster' sort of rolls off the tongue doesn't it?
 
shinkicker444 said:
I see a story with Seras, I hit follow. Nice work so far, I have no idea about Tokyo Ghoul though. Do they have the same complete bullshit regeneration abilities? The illusions? And all the other stuff Seras should have via Alucard?
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There is a reason this story is titled "A bigger monster"
I.E. no. The ghouls are pretty much all fucked. There's MAYBE 3-4 that could give seras a good fight, and even then none of them really stand a chance of perma-killing her if she's pulled an alucard.
 
TheLurker said:
There is a reason this story is titled "A bigger monster"
I.E. no. The ghouls are pretty much all fucked. There's MAYBE 3-4 that could give seras a good fight, and even then none of them really stand a chance of perma-killing her if she's pulled an alucard.
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Hmm, interesting. 'Pull an Alucard' so "Hit me, fight me, give me a hug." Ahh, I love the Abridged series so much. But yeah, she should be able to be completely reduced to a pile of goo and shadows and reform from it, dunno if Seras would do it the same way as Alucard does just to crush their hopes though.
 
shinkicker444 said:
Hmm, interesting. 'Pull an Alucard' so "Hit me, fight me, give me a hug." Ahh, I love the Abridged series so much. But yeah, she should be able to be completely reduced to a pile of goo and shadows and reform from it, dunno if Seras would do it the same way as Alucard does just to crush their hopes though.
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She DOES seem to have embraced her masters sense of the dramatic
 
Nice. Watched.

Just two nitpicks:

When Bernadotte talks, it's "ma chère", not "mon cher" as the latter is for when you talk to men.

Also, for the teacher, it's -sensei, not -sama (chapter 4).
 
TheLurker said:
See, my interpretation is that vlad is a First Generation true vampire, (as opposed to the asssembly-lined knockoffs millennium made) and that all vampires can do what he said, but they get progressivly weaker with each new generation, given his speech when fighting the valentine brother, there ARE (or at least were) more first generation (or close to it) vampires out there, and he HAS fought and killed them before. Seras might not ever get to vlad's level of power, but she's the only childe of an OLD AS SHIT first gen. (Possibly the first PERIOD) and has partaken of blood willingly offered by another. That makes her pretty fucking strong. Hell that one vampire from the original hellsing anime is a pretty good display of what else is lurking in that background of the series, there's a lot of other mystical stuff besides vampires going around.


EDIT: Also, integra says that hellsings monster is the "Biggest of them all" what if she means that literally? That alucard is the only first generation vampire left in existence?
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Well, personally I think a little mistery does this kind of stories a whole lot of good.
Something is at play, and people under certain circumstances can become blood sucking monsters.
I'd avoid putting Vamp generations (really fucking hated those in VtM), let's say a vampire can grow and leave mechanics and limits shrouded in mystery.
And please don't tell me you mean that quilt character Incognito? It was kinda lame as a design...

Xavier Rall said:
And, don`t forget. Here in Tokyo Ghoul, Seras is the first and, so far, ONLY vampire in the world. To the point of where the Tokyo Ghoul:re manga is at this point, the only native inhabitants I think who could POSSIBLY pose Seras a real challenge are Eto, Arima, and the One-Eyed King, but the last one is only there because we literally know nothing about him and it`s only been implied that he is wicked powerful.
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Though Seras does have a very definitive advantage, the locals have no clue how to hurt her or destroy her. so while they can give her trouble, the fact is that they do have vital organs they can't do without. Sreas? less so
 
You know one thing everybody always forgets is that Alucard was ALSO experimented on by the hellsing family for decades to make him even MORE deadly. While the things he mentions while fighting jan valentine are likely things other vampires could do, Alucard most likely has even more bullshit that they don't. Like his apparent wide-scale haemokinesis. I doubt seras inherited everything they modified him with, but she's still probably not an average vampire.
 
Chaos Blade said:
Well, personally I think a little mistery does this kind of stories a whole lot of good.
Something is at play, and people under certain circumstances can become blood sucking monsters.
I'd avoid putting Vamp generations (really fucking hated those in VtM), let's say a vampire can grow and leave mechanics and limits shrouded in mystery.
And please don't tell me you mean that quilt character Incognito? It was kinda lame as a design...



Though Seras does have a very definitive advantage, the locals have no clue how to hurt her or destroy her. so while they can give her trouble, the fact is that they do have vital organs they can't do without. Sreas? less so
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Personally I'm always a bit disappointed when an author takes that opposite sex/ virginity nonsense from Hellsing as a given rule of Vampirism.
It's ridiculous Victorian prudishness, and should be better taken as how Alucard goes about choosing fledglings, not an actual requirement.
 
zhuull said:
Personally I'm always a bit disappointed when an author takes that opposite sex/ virginity nonsense from Hellsing as a given rule of Vampirism.
It's ridiculous Victorian prudishness, and should be better taken as how Alucard goes about choosing fledglings, not an actual requirement.
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While I don't know about the opposite sex thing, the virginity is quite clearly a recquirement in the series and not just Alucard's taste.

And well, Hellsing takes quite a lot of things in the classic, so the whole sex metaphor is a given anyway.
 
Renu said:
While I don't know about the opposite sex thing, the virginity is quite clearly a recquirement in the series and not just Alucard's taste.

And well, Hellsing takes quite a lot of things in the classic, so the whole sex metaphor is a given anyway.
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Something just being canon is never a good enough reason to include it in fanfic if it's stupid, poorly thought out, even more poorly justified, and unnecessarily limits the author's plot options.
Unfortunately the gender/virginity requirements are all of those things if taken as a hard rule of the setting.
 
zhuull said:
Something just being canon is never a good enough reason to include it in fanfic if it's stupid, poorly thought out, even more poorly justified, and unnecessarily limits the author's plot options.
Unfortunately the gender/virginity requirements are all of those things if taken as a hard rule of the setting.
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While you don't like it, it doesn't make it poorly thought out. Classic vampire stories (Carmilla [1], Dracula,...) are all heavily sexual, in subtext or outright. Yes, it's the product of the time they were written in and evidently not really accurate for our time, but if you want to use the classics, it's necessary.

Alucard is Dracula, so it's necessary to follow the codes of Dracula. That's it.

[1] Though yes, with that one, Seras could totally turn females too.
 
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zhuull said:
Personally I'm always a bit disappointed when an author takes that opposite sex/ virginity nonsense from Hellsing as a given rule of Vampirism.
It's ridiculous Victorian prudishness, and should be better taken as how Alucard goes about choosing fledglings, not an actual requirement.
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zhuull said:
Something just being canon is never a good enough reason to include it in fanfic if it's stupid, poorly thought out, even more poorly justified, and unnecessarily limits the author's plot options.
Unfortunately the gender/virginity requirements are all of those things if taken as a hard rule of the setting.
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Whenever I write fanfiction, I always opt to respect the source material, by trying to stay true to how characters act and would act as well as holding to the rules set down by canon, only bending them if the situation demands reinterpretation. I may not always be one hundred percent faithful in how I write, but, in Hellsing, along with its own source of inspiration, Dracula, the RULE is that a vampire can only turn a virgin of the opposite sex into a vampire (in the context of Tokyo Ghoul, I am still determining if ghouls can or can`t be turned).

Whether or not people hate the idea that vampires can only "multiply" their numbers heterosexually and not homosexually (just like humans) has nothing to do with how this story is written. The things that ought to always be respected in literature are the source material and the classics (unless you're writing a satire or parody, in which case research is still necessary).

Keep in mind that vampires, through their supernatural prowess and survival on human blood, are designed to be horrific parodies of humanity, down to their very action of "reproduction." Since children can only be born from the impregnation of a woman by a man, vampires parody the act of bringing new life by taking the life of an opposite sex human and giving them a new unlife as their fledgling vampire.
 
Xavier Rall said:
Whenever I write fanfiction, I always opt to respect the source material, by trying to stay true to how characters act and would act as well as holding to the rules set down by canon, only bending them if the situation demands reinterpretation. I may not always be one hundred percent faithful in how I write, but, in Hellsing, along with its own source of inspiration, Dracula, the RULE is that a vampire can only turn a virgin of the opposite sex into a vampire (in the context of Tokyo Ghoul, I am still determining if ghouls can or can`t be turned).

Whether or not people hate the idea that vampires can only "multiply" their numbers heterosexually and not homosexually (just like humans) has nothing to do with how this story is written. The things that ought to always be respected in literature are the source material and the classics (unless you're writing a satire or parody, in which case research is still necessary).

Keep in mind that vampires, through their supernatural prowess and survival on human blood, are designed to be horrific parodies of humanity, down to their very action of "reproduction." Since children can only be born from the impregnation of a woman by a man, vampires parody the act of bringing new life by taking the life of an opposite sex human and giving them a new unlife as their fledgling vampire.
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While I agree with you I feel I need to play devils Advocate for a bit.
I don't recall that rule in Dracula, though it's been too long so I am not sure, in Hellsing we were TOLD the rule, which means it can be legit, Integra was lying to Seras OR Integra thought it was the truth, but might not be so. We were never shown evidence to support it. So, yeah, it can go that way and it is fine, but it is not compulsory because there is no evidence that the opposite is not true.

Actually, given Millenium, we know the rule can be circumvented (though we don't know the nuts and bolts of it) and you can create both Vampires out of non virgin Humans, though those Vampires doesn't seem to be able to reproduce conventionally iirc, they can only create Ghouls (though how the Main characters learned this is unclear, because if the opposite sex rule applies, then finding ghoul children would be unsurprising, just less likely...)
Also on Milenium they used Mina Harker as source material, which is interesting because while most of their number were male, I can think at least two females (Zorin and Rip) and that seems at least partially contradictory
 
Chaos Blade said:
While I agree with you I feel I need to play devils Advocate for a bit.
I don't recall that rule in Dracula, though it's been too long so I am not sure, in Hellsing we were TOLD the rule, which means it can be legit, Integra was lying to Seras OR Integra thought it was the truth, but might not be so. We were never shown evidence to support it. So, yeah, it can go that way and it is fine, but it is not compulsory because there is no evidence that the opposite is not true.

Actually, given Millenium, we know the rule can be circumvented (though we don't know the nuts and bolts of it) and you can create both Vampires out of non virgin Humans, though those Vampires doesn't seem to be able to reproduce conventionally iirc, they can only create Ghouls (though how the Main characters learned this is unclear, because if the opposite sex rule applies, then finding ghoul children would be unsurprising, just less likely...)
Also on Milenium they used Mina Harker as source material, which is interesting because while most of their number were male, I can think at least two females (Zorin and Rip) and that seems at least partially contradictory
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True, I don`t recall it being outright stated in Dracula that vampires can only turn virgin humans of the opposite sex, but, when the rule was stated in Hellsing, Integra explained it not to Seras, but to ordinary policemen who had stumbled on a vampire and his puppet ghoul (zombie in Hellsing) horde. Also, it`s made clear that the Hellsing family has extensive knowledge of the occult built on over a century of research and experience, specializing in vampires. So, saying that Integra`s in-universe proclamation may not be true comes off as EXTREMELY unlikely.

Also, in regards to Millenium`s army, while Mina Harker was the Doctor`s Subject Zero when he was performing his experiments of artificial vampirism, there are a few things to take into account. 1. Mina Harker was no longer (if she ever was to begin with) a vampire when she died, and the amount of vampirism left in her, as Walter explains in his final scene, was "microscopic." 2. Mina was not the one actively turning the Millenium soldiers into vampires. That was the Doctor's work. He and the Nazis had dug up her grave and experimented on them, somehow extracting that essence and using to artificially turn humans into vampires, creating "cheap copies." 3. Because they were artificial vampires, created through pseudo-science rather than traditional vampiric, supernatural means, the vampirism they carried was inherently different from Alucard's and Seras', resulting in making every victim, virgin or not, of both genders, into ghouls (again, Hellsing variety). Thus, they are not TRUE vampires like Alucard and Seras, which is why the traditional rules of vampirism don't apply to them.

And so, the rule of only opposite-sex virgins being viable vampiric candidates only applies to true vampires.

If someone wants to allow things to go otherwise in this matter, they can do it themselves. But, in this story, Seras will only be able to turn virgin males, and male vampires will be able to only turn virgin females.

The jury's still out if Tokyo Ghoul ghouls qualify, but it doesn't appear likely, due to their diet.
 
FalseDead said:
Does Victoria have her cannon?
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It was specifically mentioned that she lost it somewhere through the transfer. Whether or not she's picked up something else is another matter entirely, but from what I understand firearms in general aren't overly common in Japan, so even if she did manage to pick up something, it's not going to be a cannon.
 
Xavier Rall said:
True, I don`t recall it being outright stated in Dracula that vampires can only turn virgin humans of the opposite sex, but, when the rule was stated in Hellsing, Integra explained it not to Seras, but to ordinary policemen who had stumbled on a vampire and his puppet ghoul (zombie in Hellsing) horde. Also, it`s made clear that the Hellsing family has extensive knowledge of the occult built on over a century of research and experience, specializing in vampires. So, saying that Integra`s in-universe proclamation may not be true comes off as EXTREMELY unlikely.

Also, in regards to Millenium`s army, while Mina Harker was the Doctor`s Subject Zero when he was performing his experiments of artificial vampirism, there are a few things to take into account. 1. Mina Harker was no longer (if she ever was to begin with) a vampire when she died, and the amount of vampirism left in her, as Walter explains in his final scene, was "microscopic." 2. Mina was not the one actively turning the Millenium soldiers into vampires. That was the Doctor's work. He and the Nazis had dug up her grave and experimented on them, somehow extracting that essence and using to artificially turn humans into vampires, creating "cheap copies." 3. Because they were artificial vampires, created through pseudo-science rather than traditional vampiric, supernatural means, the vampirism they carried was inherently different from Alucard's and Seras', resulting in making every victim, virgin or not, of both genders, into ghouls (again, Hellsing variety). Thus, they are not TRUE vampires like Alucard and Seras, which is why the traditional rules of vampirism don't apply to them.

And so, the rule of only opposite-sex virgins being viable vampiric candidates only applies to true vampires.

If someone wants to allow things to go otherwise in this matter, they can do it themselves. But, in this story, Seras will only be able to turn virgin males, and male vampires will be able to only turn virgin females.

The jury's still out if Tokyo Ghoul ghouls qualify, but it doesn't appear likely, due to their diet.
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Well it's your story so it's up to you how you want to do world building. I only chimed in to point out that you were in no way required to go in this particular direction.
While you're correct that Integra backs up the gender-virginity requirements, personally I see no reason to treat her or any other members of the Hellsing family as that trustworthy of a narrator but to each their own.

However neither the virginity nor gender requirements were ever anywhere in the original Dracula. Though I think I may have been unclear earlier that I wasn't saying that Vampirism wasn't being held up as a sex metaphor, it very clearly is. I only took issue with how the Hellsing anime was presenting their reproduction. Camila for instance I'm not as familiar with as I'd like, but I seem to remember that lesbianism was a major theme of it so it's seems a strange example to hold up to support the way Hellsing presents vampiric reproduction.

In any case I'm am enjoying the story and looking forward to reading more regardless of what direction you take it.
 
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Xavier Rall said:
True, I don`t recall it being outright stated in Dracula that vampires can only turn virgin humans of the opposite sex, but, when the rule was stated in Hellsing, Integra explained it not to Seras, but to ordinary policemen who had stumbled on a vampire and his puppet ghoul (zombie in Hellsing) horde. Also, it`s made clear that the Hellsing family has extensive knowledge of the occult built on over a century of research and experience, specializing in vampires. So, saying that Integra`s in-universe proclamation may not be true comes off as EXTREMELY unlikely.

Also, in regards to Millenium`s army, while Mina Harker was the Doctor`s Subject Zero when he was performing his experiments of artificial vampirism, there are a few things to take into account. 1. Mina Harker was no longer (if she ever was to begin with) a vampire when she died, and the amount of vampirism left in her, as Walter explains in his final scene, was "microscopic." 2. Mina was not the one actively turning the Millenium soldiers into vampires. That was the Doctor's work. He and the Nazis had dug up her grave and experimented on them, somehow extracting that essence and using to artificially turn humans into vampires, creating "cheap copies." 3. Because they were artificial vampires, created through pseudo-science rather than traditional vampiric, supernatural means, the vampirism they carried was inherently different from Alucard's and Seras', resulting in making every victim, virgin or not, of both genders, into ghouls (again, Hellsing variety). Thus, they are not TRUE vampires like Alucard and Seras, which is why the traditional rules of vampirism don't apply to them.

And so, the rule of only opposite-sex virgins being viable vampiric candidates only applies to true vampires.

If someone wants to allow things to go otherwise in this matter, they can do it themselves. But, in this story, Seras will only be able to turn virgin males, and male vampires will be able to only turn virgin females.

The jury's still out if Tokyo Ghoul ghouls qualify, but it doesn't appear likely, due to their diet.
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That is fair enough, I haven o issue either way and just wanted to point out that the set up isn't as iron clad as it seems, I mean, we know of at least three ways of making Vampires in Hellsing, maybe there are more, maybe not. But never the less if you want to deviate from stated cannon, there is enough uncertainty that you could get away with it. The big issue is not if Seras can make female vampires or if somebody else (a ghoul) can at the moment of their deaths become one (much like Alucard), but what would make a better story and that is somthing only you can answer. :)


On the issue of Tokyo ghouls ghouls (redundant) they are human enough that it shouldn't matter, though I always wondered of their genesis, they are clearly artificial, so there might be something behind them (magic?)
 
Chaos Blade said:
On the issue of Tokyo ghouls ghouls (redundant) they are human enough that it shouldn't matter, though I always wondered of their genesis, they are clearly artificial, so there might be something behind them (magic?)
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I won't say everything, but the origin of ghouls in the world of Tokyo Ghoul play a huge role in my future plans.
 
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