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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

Please endeavour to be cordial. :^)
 
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LordEdric said:
You know, A book on runes passed down from master to student, with each generation adding a page they feel is their best work. Then each generation is forced to work harder to out do the last sounds like something that can save knowledge and allow longboards another way to complain and grumble
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we can do better how about a magical Rune book were runelords would not only write there lore but also there ideas ,theory ,beliefs and own interpretations on the lore perseving not only the lore by some amount of institutional knowledge and experience , the book will also have an enchantment that makes it impossible to flip to specific pages unless the reader fulfills a specific criteria of worthiness usually stated in the page before it and set by who ever the writer is
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
One could argue he also prevented their being easily stolen and misused by evil powers. One need but look at the Dawi Zharr to see how terrible Dwarven craft corrupted to nefarious means is, and they don't even have access to typical runecraft.

Edit: Grombrindal'd: Or he's just the kind of person to prefer doing nothing but spending all day every day researching and making new runes...lucky bastard.
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Well in all their thousands of years of history they've had one breakoff faction. Dwarves are very resistant to Chaos so really they should have way less to worry about compared to the Humans who aren't afraid of advancing.
 
Ferdiad said:
Well in all their thousands of years of history they've had one breakoff faction. Dwarves are very resistant to Chaos so really they should have way less to worry about compared to the Humans who aren't afraid of advancing.
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No, I mean it being stolen by other races or individuals. The Dawi Zharr are an example of Dwarfen CRAFT turned to ill-use.

Being stolen by anyone not of the Dawi would rankle, misused or not.
 
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if we can get them to write it down, what other methods can we use to disseminate it more easily ? Could we create soulstones or something similar to keep the Runelords knowledge intact by transferring consciousness to the stones or something ?
 
Honestly the easier solution would be that talisman rune that store the wisdom of its wears or something like that. I mean Dwarf Kings ise it. Make a version of the item for Runesmiths. Something that imparts elders wisdom to later generations after they are gone.

Coach it like a rune that let's Runelords gruble at their apprentices and apprentices apprentices for generations after they have gone on to meet Gazul.

Who knows? It might even become Tradition to the horror of all apprentices everywhere.
 
So, are there any runesmiths up in Kraka Drak other than ourselves and our apprentices? How does the density of Thungi blood up here compare to the average Dwarven city? Asking only because it was mentioned elsewhere in thread (and in the only piece of apocrypha) that the number of dwarves who could become runesmiths massively declined as the dwarves declined, so I wonder if Kraka Drak got cut off from the rest of the dwarves for long enough, if there are enough people with the ability to make runes, could that issue become null and void up here (eventually)

Also, since I don't want to only say one thing, when is Snorri remarrying, we know he loves kids, and runesmith blood often (though not always) makes more runesmiths, though I mostly just want to see Snorri with his own kid because that seems cute to me (it'd be fine to me seeing Snorri adopt one of the foundlings)
 
Weirdo said:
So, are there any runesmiths up in Kraka Drak other than ourselves and our apprentices? How does the density of Thungi blood up here compare to the average Dwarven city? Asking only because it was mentioned elsewhere in
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well we know we have at least a few because they participated in the fight against the Greedy One.
 
Say when we are done teaching our apprentices are we gonna keep them around as Retainers?

Also are The Anvils of Doom a thing yet?
 
Thule said:
Say when we are done teaching our apprentices are we gonna keep them around as Retainers?

Also are The Anvils of Doom a thing yet?
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Generally speaking we are before most everything in canon. Because we're before the dwarf Golden Age, and some time in the Time of the Ancestors.
 
Abhishek M said:
Honestly the easier solution would be that talisman rune that store the wisdom of its wears or something like that. I mean Dwarf Kings ise it. Make a version of the item for Runesmiths. Something that imparts elders wisdom to later generations after they are gone.

Coach it like a rune that let's Runelords gruble at their apprentices and apprentices apprentices for generations after they have gone on to meet Gazul.

Who knows? It might even become Tradition to the horror of all apprentices everywhere.
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Love it, only question is what rune combo makes a copy of our consciousness and lets us grumble at future runesmiths while still letting us give advice on runes

Speaking of using Dwarven kings as examples for making runes for Runesmiths, there's a Master Rune of Kingship which (presumably) makes kings better at kingly things, but does that mean there are master runes for other professions? A Master rune of Mining, of Smithing, and most importantly for us, does that mean there's a Master rune of the Runesmith? If so, I really want that as well as the ghostly master dwarves passing down knowledge
 
Weirdo said:
So, are there any runesmiths up in Kraka Drak other than ourselves and our apprentices? How does the density of Thungi blood up here compare to the average Dwarven city? Asking only because it was mentioned elsewhere in thread (and in the only piece of apocrypha) that the number of dwarves who could become runesmiths massively declined as the dwarves declined, so I wonder if Kraka Drak got cut off from the rest of the dwarves for long enough, if there are enough people with the ability to make runes, could that issue become null and void up here (eventually)
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A few, enough that Snorri only has his current workload on projects that benefit the hold or are at the request of the major guilds rather than individual clans coming up to him to request stuff.

Weirdo said:
Also, since I don't want to only say one thing, when is Snorri remarrying, we know he loves kids, and runesmith blood often (though not always) makes more runesmiths, though I mostly just want to see Snorri with his own kid because that seems cute to me (it'd be fine to me seeing Snorri adopt one of the foundlings)
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Snorri doesn't seem the type. If yall want it to happen I'll open a vote and let you decide, but at least for the prologue don't expect much of anything.

Thule said:
Say when we are done teaching our apprentices are we gonna keep them around as Retainers?
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Traditionally once a master has deemed their apprentice worthy enough, he raises them to the rank of a journeyman, the dwarf then leaves to explore the world doing who knows what and only returns to their master when they feel they're ready to be tested by them to earn the rank of Master Runesmith. Snorri's was spent doing odd jobs to pay his way and keep the funds flowing as well as looking for inspiration to devise new (to him at least) Runes for decades until he decided to go back to Master Yorri and get tested.

It isn't uncommon for a journeyman to never come back either, so its both a test of their skill and willingness to continue learning. Because they either die out there, decide the road of mastery isn't their calling and remain journeymen, or hopefully come back to continue their learning.

Unless Fjolla or Dolgi end up discovering a Master Rune on their journey, they won't learn any until they come back and prove they're ready to Snorri.
 
Hum. So, now here's a question.

Snorri Whiteheads is on the Throne. The Ancestors still live, and in fact are active on the world.

Ulthuan has yet to fall into insanity.

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I feel like we're going to get to witness all the horrible things that are about to happen to the Dwarven race one after another, and it feels both heartbreaking and hopeful.

Heartbreaking, because so far as I am aware Kraka Drak loses contact with the rest of the world long before the War of the Beard occurs.

Hopeful, because we may yet be able to do something amazing for this hold. And he'll, we killed Krampus.

My only worry is that, even though he died, he went full Daemon. Even if it was falling apart on him at the end, Krampus went full Daemon. I fully expect that abomination to come back at some point.
 
Darik29 said:
Hum. So, now here's a question.

Snorri Whiteheads is on the Throne. The Ancestors still live, and in fact are active on the world.

Ulthuan has yet to fall into insanity.

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I feel like we're going to get to witness all the horrible things that are about to happen to the Dwarven race one after another, and it feels both heartbreaking and hopeful.
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There's a few thousand years of good first after however long it takes to survive the Great Cataclysm when it really hits the Karaz Ankor. And Snorri WhiteBEARD isn't on the throne yet.
 
Darik29 said:
My only worry is that, even though he died, he went full Daemon. Even if it was falling apart on him at the end, Krampus went full Daemon. I fully expect that abomination to come back at some point.
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Well, that only means we get to Farm his heart more.

We're only going to get tougher, as we get older :)
Darik29 said:
Ah. My bad, thought it was he who would become Grombrindal. Timelines off.
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I think he does. But Grombrindal doesn't exist yet either.
 
soulcake said:
A few, enough that Snorri only has his current workload on projects that benefit the hold or are at the request of the major guilds rather than individual clans coming up to him to request stuff.
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I feel this sort of informal thing of the smiths younger than Snorri going and taking the lesser stuff is probably what came first before the Guild of Runesmiths was first formalized, and the Dwarfs go back to it as tradition in new Holds until the Guild is ready to be officiated and stuff.
 
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soulcake said:
Unless Fjolla or Dolgi end up discovering a Master Rune on their journey, they won't learn any until they come back and prove they're ready to Snorri.
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*rolls to see if they receive inspiration for Master Rune*
*Both nat 100*
*walks right back into the hold with the idea for master rune of fire and frost for Fjolla and Dolgi respectively from seeing the cold outdoors and wanting a nice warm campfire*
*Snorri tries very hard both to not to smile and cry out at how unfair this is*
 
soulcake said:
Getting a runesmith to write anything about his work is a monumental effort. Even for a master speaking to their apprentice.

You're trying to go against literal founding traditions when the guy who founded your entire profession is alive. Hilariously enough due to dwarf psychology its easier than doing it later.

Still all but impossible though.

I have no horse in this race(though have planned extensively for when the questers would take a go at it. By virtue of this very issue being one of the bigger reasons for this quest before it grew beyond the original scop-)

-Uh anyway. Long story short theres gonna be more nuance to whatever the solution to losing runelore would be than saying "start writing everything down" to your apprentices.
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Hmm...entry barrier might lower a bit if they were writing in cipher, especially if the cipher itself could only be accessed by someone who qualifies as a Master Runesmith themselves. Bonus if you use a similar process to get the apprentices used to the process of discovery at the late stage, before they become Journeymen, ciphered presents for them to chew on during their Journey.

At least, thats how RL Mystery Cults did it when they had to record their secret lore, and Thrungni's followers certainly are playing heavily into the archetype. It still got lost more often than not, but its possible for a future follower of the path to recover the secret.
If they ever realized there was one.
 
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