Part one, of part one, of chapter one.
De3ta
Mae
- Location
- The hellish pit known as New Jersey
(Staring @Whiskey Golf , @XenaC , and Myself.)
*Taps Mic* ….Is this thing on? It is? Okay let's go!
Hello all, De3ta again. And yeah we're reading GG.
Introduce yourselves people!
Whiskey: Hi everyone, I'm Whiskey Golf. I was originally the anonymous secretive hidden beta for GG, and then I became Comrade Archivist and the face of the Committee for the Restoration of The Greatest Generation… and now I'm the de facto author for GG. (And I might have gently purged the Committee and enacted a palace coup. )
Glad to have you on board Commissar Golf.
Whiskey: Technically I'm Comrade Archivist. I should also note that before he seized power, there was a random dude who was committee secretary named Joseph Stalin.
Ah you know Ol'Joey Handlebar? I hadn't heard from him. Something about a trip up north, I don't know the details.
Well while we wait for the others to arrive, tell me more about how you got involved with GG. Let's get some backstory up in here.
Whiskey: Eh, sure. So this was early in 2015, at the height of the whole "Abyssals are USN meme" and I think the anime had just finished airing, and then sasahara17 drops a bombshell on me: "Hey bro I'm writing a kancolle fic, would you do the usual?" So at this point I've known sasa for 2 years and I've been beta editing his stuff for about as long and so I went "Sure!"
Whiskey: And then after I was done with chapter 1 I was like, "Man, I like this, and I don't even know anything about kancolle except that Lenfried's lewdly cosplayed as Kancolle girls, and Shimakaze looks cute and lewd and lotsa ero-cosplayers seem to like cosplaying as her."
And don't forget the abundant amount of Doujins with dudes in Shimakaze's outfit.
Whiskey: I know nobody will believe me but honestly this time around I got into Kancolle first, doujins later. Also my focus on lewdity was aimed at ero cosplay sets. Anyway I basically went into Kancolle blind and fell in love with the story and the settings and… well I was very happy to be the beta for GG because I liked the story, and I liked sasa's writing. But I wanted to be anon beta since I didn't want rabid readers hounding me haha.
XenaC: If you're done introducing your history right up to your fetishes, I'm quite ready to begin myself - and would be...partial to your silence. Temporary silence.
Say hello to XenaC, he's like Whiskey without a Libido.
XenaC: I have a libido. I just...know when i should be telling the world about it.
No one has a Libidio compared to whiskey's. It's a whole nother scale.
XenaC: So yes, I'm Xena and I still don't really know a lot about Kancolle beyond 'it's cute girls against the monsters from Pacific Rim' and that it was once revisionist history to some degree but now apparently it's okay since the local crowd has been sufficiently pleased, and thus gaijin teitoku can be given something to keep us happy! There. I guess if you caught the sarcasm you have a good idea of where I stand on Kancolle. But, stories are stories, and Kancolle stories can be and are good ones. I have...very recently become an SVer no thanks to all this discussion surrounding KC so I guess I blame everyone related to the game on SV for that. Every. Single. Person.
XenaC:Let's get this show on the road...once we're sure we're not getting any more joiners.
Whiskey: It's still revisionist actually. Morgane had a post on that that got taken down but tl;dr Tanaka, who created and runs Kancolle and shills Fubuki because she's his waifu, is quite revisionist. Which is ironic in a way but that's discussion and theming for later chapters.
Fuck Tanaka. (Is still salty about when he played the shitty RNG waifu game)
Well I suppose now is a good time to start, I'm sure our number three will pop-in at a later point.
We start the fic with...what'd ya call this? Title crawl doesn't fit because it's static text, opening narration maybe?
Whiskey: You're pulling this from FF.net, right? Daily reminder that I need to fix the formatting that got borked. :/ I hate FF.net. >_<
*headpats* We all do.
XenaC: All things considered this is a very good summary of the setting that the author wants. It is very barebones, and is very strongly reliant on everyone knowing the gist of the setting - but I guess people do. What it does that's less forgivable is putting clunky expressions in various places. To name a few…
XenaC: ...I'm quite sure our northernmost ocean is known as the 'Arctic'. Also, a sentence with four commas in it is no sentence, but eye cancer in disguise. I refer of course to 'since then...breathing room.' This is symptomatic of a larger problem, which if that if you aspire to an over-dramatic opening blurb you need to keep your punchy drama consistent! Things like 'Mankind tried fighting back against these enemies' is just...lame.
Perhaps something more along the lines of "Mankind fought valiantly against the relentless tide of the Abyss." Something with that punch needed to keep things moving.
XenaC: Aye I guess. I'm more of a short-sentence-when-I-can person but even that's better. Finally there is this cardinal sin. 'Warships from every nation… save, it seems, those of the United States Navy.' This has me shaking my head. Not five hundred words in and we're already revealing that the principle conceit of the story may not be as it seems! Now, there is something to be said about Whiskey having given us context as to the USN-is-the-Abyss meme. But if you've established something as your premise, you go with it in-universe. You don't start undermining it right from the outset. Not as The Narrator at least. It's simply not done.
I find calling it a Black plague rather unneeded here, simply calling it a plague would work as well and be a biiiiit less on the nose with the still very obvious reference to the Bubonic Plague.
Another Point of some note"
XenaC: It's something of a Ye Oldene Tides Trope, actually, to give disasters or disasters in human form a color. You know, like the Red Death, or the Yellow Fever, or a Blackguard. I don't think he was referencing the Bubonic. Also, one of the Abyssals' primary color aesthetics is Black, Grey and Sexy, so he's not completely wrong there.
I feel mentioning Japan specifically a tad too specific, saying they appeared across the globe would have let him show "shipgirls are here to unfuck things" in less words, and much more clearly.
So it's nothing too bad, but has some details that coulda gone through another draft.
Whiskey: It was a stylistic choice, IMO, since Japan's kanmusu popped up first. *shrug*
Fair enough.
ANs!
Whiskey: We felt this was necessary, given that sasahara had taken down the original version of this story in November 2015 and we didn't want me getting hit with a plagiarism complaints on FF.net. ^_^;
XenaC: Something something dedfic remake farming tears.
Pfffft, Kancolle having a canon, good one.
Whiskey: I know, right? But some people can get salty over the strangest things.
XenaC: Isn't it the official stance that Kancolle HAS no canon? It's either that or I cannot read Japanese. I stake my mastery of moon runes upon the idea that 'I'm sorry you're not allowed to tell me I violated KC canon because there isn't one, chum!'
There pretty much isn't, sans what little you might get from the anime.
XenaC: That one had a story? Oh, how the mighty have fallen. Milton thou should'st be awake at this hour, fiction hath need of thee. Actually I think Pratchett would do too for the extra piss-taking, but Milton will do.
No, knowing that Yvonne is a shipgirl-no one going into GG with any knowledge of what GG is doesn't know or assume that's what's going to happen-makes this rather obviously the historical attack on Pearl Harbor
But I will give Sasa points for later mentioning that Pearl harbor got fucked again by the Abyssals, throwing some people off.
XenaC: It's nice. Also rather over-long. It's like someone tried to be a Poe or a Tolkien, but too long after the tropes they established as creepy-clever became creepy-period...and then became creepy-staid.
XenaC: I'll explain. Contrary to popular opinion, most readers are intelligent enough to know that when Pearl Harbour or any place as big as Pearl burns, the horror of it would be worse than anything a normal person has experienced. Or that no one has idea what to do when they're standing on deck or on shore looking all slack-jawed at a scene of massive destruction. My response to being told things I could have derived from the first two lines over and over again is "of course it is, do you think I spent my elementary school life in the dunce corner?"
Agreed, less is more.
Whiskey: In hindsight I probably should have been more ruthless in trimming down, but due to bad experiences in prior collaborations I've noticed I have a tendency to be pretty lenient when beta-ing.
XenaC: And in hindsight I think I was quite a dick about this, but I guess being the fic-hugger isn't my role is it...
One of us is supposed to be a fan of GG, and i don't think that was you. That might have been winter, but they dropped out. I guess whiskey will pull double duty.
XenaC: Crap, I forgot I was supposed to like it! Actually, let me say right here that I LIKE GG. Okay? I LIKE GG. I still think that there's not a lot of material out there that beats the prosaic quality and direction that GG at its best brings. If I was forced to go through a lot of other KC-related material line by line like this you can be sure I would exact a nation's worth of a blood-tax in exchange. From the same person. While they're alive, breathing, and preferably screaming. But then I put on my critic cap and I become a complete ponce. So for what it's worth...I'm sorry.
It's fine, you're insight is invaluable. Remember thqat half the purpose of this is to show and teach what went right and wrong.
As to liking GG, I...don't, but I'm curious if these readings might change that.
Shit that means Whiskey is good cop.
XenaC: It does, don't it?
At least until he snaps and goes full Armstrong.
XenaC: Please hold out till then, Whiskey. We have DDs! Errr...nevermind, let's not go there.
Protagonist got! Yvonne has joined the party!
XenaC: I'm not sure 'gasped awake' is something that exists in written English.
Stirred awake, shot awake, usually see those more. Awoke with a start maybe.
XenaC: You know, things like 'lol, jk, meme' and the like made it into the English language. Maybe some day when we are but a forgotten memory and everyone has taken to diving physically into the true globalization that is the World Wide Web no one will care about these petty differences, but till then...
You gave me the thought of everyone in the world being subject to autocorrect. Well there's my nightmares for the week.
XenaC: ...Well. Apart from that there are one or two places where a sentence would have been better served by a fullstop/period instead of a comma or a run-on. Otherwise there's nothing big here except Big E.
Ayyyyyyyyyyyyy.
XenaC: Feel free to edit this if it's early spoilers, but yes.
Eh, it's nothing Major. Well, it is. But Late Arrival spoilers.
XenaC: This thing gave the game away for me, a tabula rasa of KC knowledge in 2015 within the first chapter. Spoilers my arse.
*Is zoned out* Wha? Sorry someone posted this video of corgis being adorable. What year is it?
XenaC: Just another year in the history of the world before it goes out in style. Not sure what you're on about, putting a time frame on 'when-Corgis-are-cute'.
The "Young and humble rank officer doesn't wish to be addressed by that rank by their older, more experienced subordinates." Trope. *ding*
Whiskey: No comment. w
XenaC: If you've been in the military you'd probably understand. There's the chickenshits who would lord their rank over other, but they can go...insert whatever anatomical anathema you would have them commit here. Most sensible young commanders are kinda self-conscious about it in a good way, and rightly so.
Eh, I'm not judging. Just pointing it out.
XenaC: Then to put it in Tropey terms, it's something of a Justified Trope.
You know the subtlety I praised before? Yeah this kinda kills it in it's infancy.
It was going so well to, buuuuuuuuuuuuuut she had t mention December 1941. Also does GG Pearl get got the same time as it did the first time, or was that plot point thought up later?
Either way, it's not like this screams E E E E E, but it does set people on too right a track, when without it you'd still send them that way while showing less of your hand.
XenaC: See, I did warn you earlier.
I forgot this happened when I said that, to be honest.
MY GOD, HE ACTUALLY DID IT. HE MADE IT SO CONVENTIONALLY FORCES AREN'T USELESS GARBAGE AGAINST ABYSSALS!
I mean, I don't know how well he'll actually portray that, but god damn it's nice to see it was intended!
Whiskey: Thanks. Conventionals being useless is a trope I myself don't like.
XenaC: This is what I meant by I Actually Like GG. It had all these ideas man! I feel sad all over again. This sucks. This hurts. I need to burn something.
*hugs*
Child Soldiers, someone grab the mine detectors.
Seriously though, does that point ever actually come up again?
Xena: I don't think the opportunity ever came. Not seriously I mean. Like beyond the usual oh-these-DDs-look-so-young business. But that's par for course.
Shame, even if I don't trust that'd gone down well it's still be something worth trying/
Whiskey: I'm pretty sure the intent was that to old salts like Hammond, all these new 18 year olds enlisting are kids.
Xena: Point is well taken. Now this is actually a good thing that GG does in the previous few sections. It answers a significant chunk of worldbuilding questions raised by its premise and the mini-prologue. Yes, as hard as I gave it flak for how it was written, it does raise the correct questions…
XenaC: ...Which this part then answers. Questions like: what could conventionals do against the Abyssals? How effective were they, and how did the fight go? What has America been doing to recoup its losses? What do people think of that? All of this is done is a relatively short period of time - and in a decently entertaining conversation. It's not very detailed, but this is Chapter 1 in a setting that's already predetermined in some ways by Kancolle and Real Life. We don't need massive amounts of specifics.
""Jesus, look at you. I just got that Captain America vibe from you. They should be sticking you on the recruiting posters!""
*Inhales*
So should we talk about Why E is Yvonne? I feel like now might be a good time to talk about E being Yvonne.
So, personally, I do not like the fact that E is Yvonne. The idea itself could work, but not with E. In a situation like this you would not assign The Enterprise to such a role, especially when she could be much better used for PR and improving morale.
Basically E, in the context of her being the only know USN ship summoned, should be more like Yamato in this fic. Having a similar role.
XenaC: As I recall, the USN and the Joint Chiefs had more pragmatic reasons for not revealing them. Some of them are a bit less than completely noble. Don't worry, it's not Muv-luv-level ignoble bastardry.
I don't much care for their nobility in this instance, I just want to know why they made this decision. What was the reason.
Whiskey: I could explain but that would be spoilers. :/ It's addressed in Chapter 8. Oh. Right. I haven't released Chapter 8. :/
XenaC: ...I was about to say that. I don't recall chapter 8 well, myself, but here's what I can come up with on the fly and from what I do remember. It makes sense as a course of action because revealing them would...
A. That would make them targets.
B. People start asking questions 'why so few?' And as I said, people aren't dumb, but they can panic. If it did not take much for the fandom to come to the conclusion that the USN might be the Abyssals, what do you think the public at war would say?
C. They had an excuse in that they were still rebuilding, so they wanted to take that time to figure out how the hell to summon more, and what the problem is. So it was a stalling tactic.
D. Let's face it, 5 ships, no matter how bold or strong in their previous lives, are nothing. The girls themselves are also revealed to have wanted to help in whatever way they could, so oh well.
Well I feel like E being a PR figure would help more than this, but that's just me.
XenaC: It's a valid alternative take for sure. But at least this wasn't an unreasoned leap of logic.
Whiskey: This is really something on which one's mileage will vary. *shrug* Look at least it's better than Ambulance or Lady Liberty's worldbuilding and justifications.
XenaC: It's better than a lot of our worldbuilding period simply by virtue of having so much more of it. Ah, GG, you lost lamb. Why?
Ambiance and Lady Liberty is a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow bar, and you know it. d;
XenaC: We can piss on their stoops later. For now, Greatest Generation: Prepare to Divide Edition! Out now in Forums near you.
Good goal, really fucking vague so you have room to work with.
XenaC: Well the question needed to be asked at some point in the story. It also would have been an excellent red herring from the idea that she was a shipgirl...if he hadn't made it so damn obvious at first! Which is a pity. This goal, and her reaction to his question would have made a good diversion otherwise.
Unnecessary second chapter title.
XenaC: Think of it as the eyecatch section of an anime. You know, the one with a totally fanservicey picture that has nothing at all to do with the rest of it? Except without said picture. Because we can't have nice things.
I admit, this section I liked. Made me smile.
Also: TENRYUU GOT!
Whiskey: In the original version of this text, Matsuda sounded more proper. I went and binged cop shows set in New York to try and get an idea/feel for how people talk in New York.
Can Confirm, it's good enough.
XenaC: I guess we can just say that this bit does fine. Also, Tenryuu! Goddamn it Chapter...whichever it is with the DDs in it. Why did you suddenly throw the Serious Ball into a Crack scenario?!
Chapter 3 I think, or 4.
XenaC: Whichever. Still, I'm grieving at the vitriol I already know I will spill when I read that bit.
Yeah that's gonna be….a thing. But that's later talk.
Expositiooooooooooooooon. Needed, granted. But it could have been done better.
XenaC: You know that nice conversation they were having? Just comment on the sights! The real problematic exposition, in my view, is internal exposition. Thoughts, emotions. That one sucks. This stuff is just unnecessarily long. If you're going to do exposition, you either go full wordsmith or you outsource. If you're neither, you're done. Next batter up. This sounds like a stupid plug, but I used to love Ayezur's stuff for wordsmithing. Granted, the stories were much smaller in scale and relied much more on familiarity with setting than GG, but still.
Agreed, people would explain or bring up this stuff by talking. Makes things feel more natural, flow a bit more.
This is sliiiiiiiiiiiiiightly better, but I feel it portrays Yvonne's emotions a bit too….bluntly. It kinda feels like she's telling us how she feels, rather than showing us.
XenaC: It's kind of more egregious because it starts well with the talking...and then they hit you in the face with the emotion hammer. PSA: Your mistakes are more obvious if you put them next to things you did well. Like, one line away. So if you're going to do silly things, please put 'em where the sun don't shine.
I like Tenryuu, Tenryuu is a character I enjoy seeing. And I like how this fic shows more than just "Momboat to DDs lol," that some lesser fics might do. Shows layers to the character, seems more three dimensional.
Whiskey: That's probably because momboat Tenryuu hadn't become a thing yet, haha, so we got cool big sis delinquent Tenryu. I do think that maybe i should have gotten you guys to help me go over GG's restart haha.
*Hands business card made of napkins and marker* Call me~ ;b
XenaC: Hey, I just met you-sorry. But yeah each year has its shipgirl tropes, now that I recall what I was told. I admit I liked delinquent Tenryuu a bit better, but I feel like Sasa later goes full retard with that too, I mean.
I understood that reference. *sips*
And it's like he went full meme because he probably started said meme. Or at least popularized it.
A better term for that might be he exaggerated her character , Flanderized a bit.
XenaC: Sort of. I'd say part of it comes of having put serious consequences onto a crack situation with characters acting like they were in a crack fic. There's something to be said about flanderization, more to be said about bad dramatic choices. Granted he did have a purpose for it, but what was lost in the process was a step too far. A story for next time, though.
Whiskey: Like I said, this is what happens when you have a crack author stepping outside his comfort zone.
Ahahhahahahahaaaaaaaaam chapter 3 is gonna be 'Fun'.
XenaC: ....
So I heard Matsuda X Tatsuta was the go-to ship for these parts.
XenaC: Again, as we said, never got there. This is all-around decent build up. Interesting points about shipgirls, also why Tatsuta isn't around. I wouldn't complain.
I like Matsuda, so far he's the most enjoyable character we've seen. That guy who was with Yvonne on the plan I can't remember, and Yvonne has had to should the clunky exposition.
XenaC: This is because Matsuda has no baggage man.
True, but I feel like I should care a bit more for the Protagonist than…."eh, kinda."
Whiskey: that's because Matsuda is honorary Jersey. Okay, Brooklyn but eh, close enough?
Yvonne hasn't shown much character other than the stuff about her position and the stuff about Pearl. Could have used a bit more back and forth with Matsuda, less internal ramblings.
I get that she is very upset about what has happened to the USN, and has a traumatic connection to pearl. But that's not so much a personality as it is character traits so far.
But on the other hand, not done with chapter one yet.
XenaC: Long chapter is long...taking Warframe break. Also it probably feels long because we're not just shitting on it. Which is a good thing because it doesn't deserve it.
kk.
Foreshadowing how people won't be too friendly to Yvonne as an Intelligence officer. Props should be given for that at least.
Whiskey: And this is the part where I have to call it quits, it's 2AM and I'm nodding off in my chair. I'll leave some post chapter commentary way below tho. Good night. *waves nervously, envisioning what he'll wake up to*
XenaC: You'll also forgive me for being a bit nitpicky at 2am, but usually the Japanese aren't so direct with people they don't know well. The bit about 'military intelligence' is more true to form, while the first part is a bit...eh. I dunno. Author discretion, I'd like to say. It completely forgivable for someone not well accustomed to the way Japanese people tend to speak to not know the difference between the way people speak in anime versus other scenarios.
*Bites tongue* We'll get to that….
XenaC: Again, I told you so. And again, shipgirl sense hammer strikes again.
Okay Pearl I can get being fucked, but Norfolk? There would be a loooooooooooooooot more shit fucked than Pear if they got to Norfolk. And with Pearl gone Hawai is pretty fucked already.
XenaC: I think we're forgetting that this fic is supposed to be 'America is at least 6/10 on the desperation scale'. That said, Yvonne's reaction sort of puts the lie to it. So I guess this passage in general sort of fails at its own un-stated goal anyway after setting up well enough of it. I mean, Yvonne wasn't there personally (and she doesn't have double the bad memories of Norfolk), so it probably doesn't sting as bad but I don't think 'sourly' is the way you would describe a person talking about a naval base being turned into a 'charnel house'. That's like Guts-level not-giving-a-shit right there.
Like, you all know where Norfolk is right?
whiskey: in my understanding they only went after the base, they left NAS pceana and langley afb alone.
XenaC: I did look it up, yes. And damn, that insider information trading.
""Could have been worse. I could have been at Norfolk," Yvonne grunted sourly as she recalled the horror stories. A good portion of the fleet had been docked in there for repairs when it had happened. Poor bastards hadn't even gotten the chance to weigh anchor before the Abyssals stormed in and turned the whole place into a charnel house.
"
Two things, why only hit the base, and how did they get there to storm it undetected?
Whisky: Abyssal bullshit. They do it again in ch 6. I'm a little ashamed sometimes of how much GG relied on that.
XenaC: Abyssal bullshit. Also, the whole 'only the sea is important' thing is also really silly, and I'm glad that fics like Belated Battleships took on that idea and gave it a bit of a shakedown, albeit in a very sideward manner that I wish got expanded, but as was once said by men much wiser than I - 'not as I will'.
So they did it because Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiic. FIne.
All I'll say is, we call it Abyssal Bullshit for a reason.
Whiskey: that said lookup NORPAC 82. The USN had 2 CVBGs off the soviet coast running mirror image training strikes for four days and the soviets never found them or knew they were around until the us let them know.
Okay.
I don't quite get that last part about segregating the Shipgirls from the normal people. What the hell does " it makes people uncomfortable to know that we are fighting in their place." even mean?
Whiskey: cute girls fighting and dying in place of all us fat otaku
XenaC: I feel like sasa's downplaying the idea that we otaku would be 100% okay with this. I mean, Japan is just as well-known (depending on what circles you walk in) for vocal civil society as much as they are for being Otakuland. But I'm very sure that most militaries would see the value of at least training for combined arms operations. So this bit of the armed forces looks different. They have magic bullshit. Whatever, move on and get on with life. Or you know, with the war we're supposed to be winning against those things that came out of a one-night-stand between Pacific Rim and Sex Appeal for Dummies. At the worst we just need the MPs at the ready for...you know. Incidents. People will have to be...relocated, if necessary. Things like that.
Except they wouldn't have that warning, because Abyssals can just sneak up and attack you anyway any time they please.
XenaC: You do realize they haven't had the time to write a dissertation or ten on the kinds of magic bullshit the Abyssals have. So they've got a serious disadvantage here, and I'd say they legitimately don't recognize that. I'd give it a pass.
Oh fuck me with a bag of dicks…..KONGOU'S HERE EVERYBODY!
XenaC: I'd rather he saved excitable for after he's had Kongou like...maybe say more than one line. Because Kongou very quickly shows herself to be excitable once you let her say enough. Again, show-don't-tell. Next.
….that's adorable. I don't get why SHE'S YELLING SO MUCH. But it's cute!
XenaC: It's supposed to indicate when she's speaking in conspicuous Engrish. You know, like in her voice lines. It's not the most elegant solution, but it was the solution sasahara chose, I guess. Bridge over something something lay me down.
Huh.
*Grooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan*
I don't like this section. Not a single bit. Even without the spoiler that E IS YVONNE OH MY GAWD, it's still so very obvious that Yvonne is a shipgirl, Fuck at this point they might as well have had it be officially revealed at the end of the fucking thing! The mystery is nonexistent.
XenaC: I would say what I said a few times before already, but let's talk about Kongou's characterization instead. I think this marks the beginning of a certain tendency towards flanderization, as we mentioned before, that becomes more egregious as time goes by. There are exceptions, but the trend in GG is always toward this and reflects a lack of planning as to the ramifications of what characters say, when they say it, and how the author chooses to portray the process.
Sasa was a crack writer, and this is what you'd see in light-hearted comedic one-shots or snippets. This doesn't translate well to actual characters.
XenaC: Basically this. This is okay in crack fics, but it is the absolute no-go in the long-term. These are characters you may and indeed do see more often, you cannot afford to have them completely come off as a cardboard cutout straight from a dime-store novel. This lack of planning the fic as a long-term RealFic will prove to be the flaw that sinks this ship eventually, but let's move on.
Fuck all of this. I'll elaborate on why in the next section.
XenaC: Duly...noted.
It is.
XenaC: Well...characterization just got a bit harder didn't it?
Yvonne what is your personality.
XenaC: The problem here is not so much with Yvonne, it's with the narration suddenly losing patience with itself. Here's the thing. When you pick a PoV character, you're given this much time to establish how the person thinks. You can break with it, but you need to give some warning first, not-
It's not First person, but it's biased third.That is doable, but here it's taking away from Yvonne.
XenaC: -yeah, straight up going an inch away from authorial voice and going "FIVE MINUTES LATER". Even Brecht needs to establish his play's Brecht-ness from the outset first before proceeding to go "screw logic I have a message!"
Caustic relations, fun times!
XenaC: I've said this before. Readers are not idiots. A person shifting their feet is nervous, and of course that's not a good sign. A person speaking carefully is being tactful. But it's the same chapter, so the point shall not be belaboured. It's not as if you should count on a person will magically learn of a mistake -however earnestly made!- they made in the middle of a chapter.
Subtle as a sledgehammer. That's how I can describe this chapter to far.
XenaC: ...you know, a lot of other stuff we could read isn't that much better. Word-smithing is hard man. It's hard.
Never said it was. It's more so, if Sasa had less than he did, taken a few key parts away, it'd be much more subtle. But again, gonna get to that soon enough.
Oh fuck the exposition is back. These would be fine enough on their own, but this is the third in one chapter. And we're still only half done.
XenaC: Even the conversation is being tinted by the exposition bug. Good word…
XenaC:...and actually this is where I suggest we take an actual break. We've been at this a while, and I feel like it's only a matter of time before we devolve into same-old-bullshit without picking out what's actually done nicely and what's not. I'd rather put this off for another time than push on and let us actually devolve into bullshit ourselves.
Okay, Next time. GG Chapter one, Part one, Part two.
Oh god this is gonna take another three months isn't it?
XenaC: Eternity? =P
Whiskey: Some further commentary: in the original first ever draft of this story, the chapter would have ended with fairies trying to comfort Yvonne and cheer her up, and make it clear she was Enterprise. Then on SB it was suggested to try and conceal things from the reader, and so Sasahara rolled with that and generally it was favorably received (except for a few people who were and remain salty over hidden Enterprise). In hindsight, I probably should have gone over the earlier bits of Chapter 1 and made things more subtle, but back then, as I said, I was a lot more hands off, limiting myself to dialogue, voice and general research, while letting SB's spoiler thread be the sounding board. Ever since November 2015, I keep thinking that was one of my biggest mistakes with this story. :/
*Taps Mic* ….Is this thing on? It is? Okay let's go!
Hello all, De3ta again. And yeah we're reading GG.
Introduce yourselves people!
Whiskey: Hi everyone, I'm Whiskey Golf. I was originally the anonymous secretive hidden beta for GG, and then I became Comrade Archivist and the face of the Committee for the Restoration of The Greatest Generation… and now I'm the de facto author for GG. (And I might have gently purged the Committee and enacted a palace coup. )
Glad to have you on board Commissar Golf.
Whiskey: Technically I'm Comrade Archivist. I should also note that before he seized power, there was a random dude who was committee secretary named Joseph Stalin.
Ah you know Ol'Joey Handlebar? I hadn't heard from him. Something about a trip up north, I don't know the details.
Well while we wait for the others to arrive, tell me more about how you got involved with GG. Let's get some backstory up in here.
Whiskey: Eh, sure. So this was early in 2015, at the height of the whole "Abyssals are USN meme" and I think the anime had just finished airing, and then sasahara17 drops a bombshell on me: "Hey bro I'm writing a kancolle fic, would you do the usual?" So at this point I've known sasa for 2 years and I've been beta editing his stuff for about as long and so I went "Sure!"
Whiskey: And then after I was done with chapter 1 I was like, "Man, I like this, and I don't even know anything about kancolle except that Lenfried's lewdly cosplayed as Kancolle girls, and Shimakaze looks cute and lewd and lotsa ero-cosplayers seem to like cosplaying as her."
And don't forget the abundant amount of Doujins with dudes in Shimakaze's outfit.
Whiskey: I know nobody will believe me but honestly this time around I got into Kancolle first, doujins later. Also my focus on lewdity was aimed at ero cosplay sets. Anyway I basically went into Kancolle blind and fell in love with the story and the settings and… well I was very happy to be the beta for GG because I liked the story, and I liked sasa's writing. But I wanted to be anon beta since I didn't want rabid readers hounding me haha.
XenaC: If you're done introducing your history right up to your fetishes, I'm quite ready to begin myself - and would be...partial to your silence. Temporary silence.
Say hello to XenaC, he's like Whiskey without a Libido.
XenaC: I have a libido. I just...know when i should be telling the world about it.
No one has a Libidio compared to whiskey's. It's a whole nother scale.
XenaC: So yes, I'm Xena and I still don't really know a lot about Kancolle beyond 'it's cute girls against the monsters from Pacific Rim' and that it was once revisionist history to some degree but now apparently it's okay since the local crowd has been sufficiently pleased, and thus gaijin teitoku can be given something to keep us happy! There. I guess if you caught the sarcasm you have a good idea of where I stand on Kancolle. But, stories are stories, and Kancolle stories can be and are good ones. I have...very recently become an SVer no thanks to all this discussion surrounding KC so I guess I blame everyone related to the game on SV for that. Every. Single. Person.
XenaC:Let's get this show on the road...once we're sure we're not getting any more joiners.
Whiskey: It's still revisionist actually. Morgane had a post on that that got taken down but tl;dr Tanaka, who created and runs Kancolle and shills Fubuki because she's his waifu, is quite revisionist. Which is ironic in a way but that's discussion and theming for later chapters.
Fuck Tanaka. (Is still salty about when he played the shitty RNG waifu game)
Well I suppose now is a good time to start, I'm sure our number three will pop-in at a later point.
We start the fic with...what'd ya call this? Title crawl doesn't fit because it's static text, opening narration maybe?
From the ocean depths, they came.
No one knew who they were or where they came from, but what is known is that the Abyssal fleet, powerful entities taking the form of young women, emerged one day without warning to force mankind from Earth's oceans. Appearing first in the Pacific, and then spreading across the seven seas like a black plague, mankind soon found itself under siege.
The world was thrown into chaos by this new threat. Shipping lanes were severed, global communications were disrupted and millions of lives were lost at sea.
Civilisation itself was at stake.
Mankind tried fighting back against these enemies, but found that their most powerful ships could barely hold the line against an enemy that seemed numberless. Worse still, despite the bravery and courage of many brave souls, that line eventually broke.
With the destruction of Pearl Harbor and Norfolk, it seemed that mankind's defenders had finally failed, and that fall of humanity was at hand… but then a miracle happened.
As if hearing the call of duty once more, protectors in the form of young girls, bearing the reincarnated souls of warships of ages past, took up arms.
First appearing in Japan, young women wielding powers that could fight against the darkness were found, trained and then sent into battle against the Abyssal fleet.
These heroines were dubbed 'Kanmusu'.The ship girls.
It has been one year since the first ship girl took to the battlefield. Since then, the Abyssal fleet has been pushed back, away from many of the world's most vulnerable port cities, by the combined effort of the brave ship girls, giving mankind some much needed breathing room.
In the Pacific, the young women of the former Imperial Japanese Navy fight valiantly to rid East
Asia of this menace. The Royal Navy, Marine Nationale and the Deutsche Marine work as one in an unrelenting war to keep the English Channel and the Atlantic convoys safe from the Abyssal raids. The Regia Marina, now flying the standard of the Marina Militare, have swept the Mediterranean clean of Abyssal presence and now turn to aid others. In the northern seas, the
Red Fleet braves the harsh artic cold in a deadly game of cat and mouse against their quarry.
Around the world, warships from every nation have returned from the grave in a time of direst need to serve their countries once more…
Warships from every nation… save, it seems, those of the United States Navy.
Whiskey: You're pulling this from FF.net, right? Daily reminder that I need to fix the formatting that got borked. :/ I hate FF.net. >_<
*headpats* We all do.
XenaC: All things considered this is a very good summary of the setting that the author wants. It is very barebones, and is very strongly reliant on everyone knowing the gist of the setting - but I guess people do. What it does that's less forgivable is putting clunky expressions in various places. To name a few…
XenaC: ...I'm quite sure our northernmost ocean is known as the 'Arctic'. Also, a sentence with four commas in it is no sentence, but eye cancer in disguise. I refer of course to 'since then...breathing room.' This is symptomatic of a larger problem, which if that if you aspire to an over-dramatic opening blurb you need to keep your punchy drama consistent! Things like 'Mankind tried fighting back against these enemies' is just...lame.
Perhaps something more along the lines of "Mankind fought valiantly against the relentless tide of the Abyss." Something with that punch needed to keep things moving.
XenaC: Aye I guess. I'm more of a short-sentence-when-I-can person but even that's better. Finally there is this cardinal sin. 'Warships from every nation… save, it seems, those of the United States Navy.' This has me shaking my head. Not five hundred words in and we're already revealing that the principle conceit of the story may not be as it seems! Now, there is something to be said about Whiskey having given us context as to the USN-is-the-Abyss meme. But if you've established something as your premise, you go with it in-universe. You don't start undermining it right from the outset. Not as The Narrator at least. It's simply not done.
" Appearing first in the Pacific, and then spreading across the seven seas like a black plague, mankind soon found itself under siege."
I find calling it a Black plague rather unneeded here, simply calling it a plague would work as well and be a biiiiit less on the nose with the still very obvious reference to the Bubonic Plague.
Another Point of some note"
XenaC: It's something of a Ye Oldene Tides Trope, actually, to give disasters or disasters in human form a color. You know, like the Red Death, or the Yellow Fever, or a Blackguard. I don't think he was referencing the Bubonic. Also, one of the Abyssals' primary color aesthetics is Black, Grey and Sexy, so he's not completely wrong there.
First appearing in Japan, young women wielding powers that could fight against the darkness were found, trained and then sent into battle against the Abyssal fleet.
I feel mentioning Japan specifically a tad too specific, saying they appeared across the globe would have let him show "shipgirls are here to unfuck things" in less words, and much more clearly.
So it's nothing too bad, but has some details that coulda gone through another draft.
Whiskey: It was a stylistic choice, IMO, since Japan's kanmusu popped up first. *shrug*
Fair enough.
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Additional note: Please be advised this work contains allusion to certain contemporary issues, namely war crimes perpetrated by Imperial Japan in World War 2. This work is meant to be for enjoyment, and no offense is meant. Also note that, as a fanfiction, many liberties were taken with Kantai Collection canon for the purposes of this story. That being said, please enjoy.
Additional Note 2: Please take note that this is a continuation of the story with the blessings of the original author, sasahara17. The content of the originally-published chapters will be preserved to the best ability of the KC:TGG committee made up of:
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ANs!
Whiskey: We felt this was necessary, given that sasahara had taken down the original version of this story in November 2015 and we didn't want me getting hit with a plagiarism complaints on FF.net. ^_^;
XenaC: Something something dedfic remake farming tears.
Please be advised this work contains allusion to certain contemporary issues, namely war crimes perpetrated by Imperial Japan in World War 2. This work is meant to be for enjoyment, and no offense is meant. Also note that, as a fanfiction, many liberties were taken with Kantai Collection canon for the purposes of this story. That being said, please enjoy.
Pfffft, Kancolle having a canon, good one.
Whiskey: I know, right? But some people can get salty over the strangest things.
XenaC: Isn't it the official stance that Kancolle HAS no canon? It's either that or I cannot read Japanese. I stake my mastery of moon runes upon the idea that 'I'm sorry you're not allowed to tell me I violated KC canon because there isn't one, chum!'
There pretty much isn't, sans what little you might get from the anime.
XenaC: That one had a story? Oh, how the mighty have fallen. Milton thou should'st be awake at this hour, fiction hath need of thee. Actually I think Pratchett would do too for the extra piss-taking, but Milton will do.
It was a memory that she would never forget.
Pearl Harbor was burning.
The sheer horror of what was before her was like nothing she had ever experienced.
Great plumes of smoke reached into the sky from the fires, a sound accompanied by the desperate screams of the dead and the dying. Indeed, the water itself was aflame from oil that coated it.
It truly was a scene out of hell.
Never in her career had she ever experienced anything like this.
She wasn't the only one who had trouble believing what she was seeing. Around her, thousands of sailors of the United States Navy looked on from the deck at the inferno before them. The bastion of America's military power in the Pacific, Pearl Harbor, was burning.
Impossible.
An attack as brazen and destructive as this should have been unthinkable, but it had happened.
Now people were dying, her comrades, and she was powerless to do anything but look on. Thousands dying, and she had arrived too late to do anything.
The cold chill of the knowledge that, but for the whim of fate, she too could be in amongst the dead and dying, was something she would never forget…
No, knowing that Yvonne is a shipgirl-no one going into GG with any knowledge of what GG is doesn't know or assume that's what's going to happen-makes this rather obviously the historical attack on Pearl Harbor
But I will give Sasa points for later mentioning that Pearl harbor got fucked again by the Abyssals, throwing some people off.
XenaC: It's nice. Also rather over-long. It's like someone tried to be a Poe or a Tolkien, but too long after the tropes they established as creepy-clever became creepy-period...and then became creepy-staid.
XenaC: I'll explain. Contrary to popular opinion, most readers are intelligent enough to know that when Pearl Harbour or any place as big as Pearl burns, the horror of it would be worse than anything a normal person has experienced. Or that no one has idea what to do when they're standing on deck or on shore looking all slack-jawed at a scene of massive destruction. My response to being told things I could have derived from the first two lines over and over again is "of course it is, do you think I spent my elementary school life in the dunce corner?"
Agreed, less is more.
Whiskey: In hindsight I probably should have been more ruthless in trimming down, but due to bad experiences in prior collaborations I've noticed I have a tendency to be pretty lenient when beta-ing.
XenaC: And in hindsight I think I was quite a dick about this, but I guess being the fic-hugger isn't my role is it...
One of us is supposed to be a fan of GG, and i don't think that was you. That might have been winter, but they dropped out. I guess whiskey will pull double duty.
XenaC: Crap, I forgot I was supposed to like it! Actually, let me say right here that I LIKE GG. Okay? I LIKE GG. I still think that there's not a lot of material out there that beats the prosaic quality and direction that GG at its best brings. If I was forced to go through a lot of other KC-related material line by line like this you can be sure I would exact a nation's worth of a blood-tax in exchange. From the same person. While they're alive, breathing, and preferably screaming. But then I put on my critic cap and I become a complete ponce. So for what it's worth...I'm sorry.
It's fine, you're insight is invaluable. Remember thqat half the purpose of this is to show and teach what went right and wrong.
As to liking GG, I...don't, but I'm curious if these readings might change that.
Shit that means Whiskey is good cop.
XenaC: It does, don't it?
At least until he snaps and goes full Armstrong.
XenaC: Please hold out till then, Whiskey. We have DDs! Errr...nevermind, let's not go there.
"Commander Swanson? Commander Swanson, are you alright?"
Yvonne Swanson gasped awake, the feeling of someone shaking her shoulder pulling her mind back from her dream. Cracking open her eyes, the young officer remembered she was still strapped into her seat on that stupid C-17. Beside her was the USAF airman had been sitting beside her, Master Sergeant Hammond, if memory served her correctly, who had shaken her awake.
The flight was fairly empty today, with barely a dozen or so men and women milling about, so there had been no one else to notice her discomfort.
"Goddamn, ma'am. That must have been some nightmare," the man said, his concern evident.
"No shit. Are we there yet?" Yvonne asked dourly, brushing her blonde locks out of her eyes.
The young officer wore Service Dress Blues of a commissioned officer of the United States Navy, and filled out the uniform smartly. She was very tall, in fact she was a few inches taller than the man addressing her. Her normally untamed sandy blonde hair was tucked neatly into a bun and covered by the white peaked cap resting nicely on her head.
She was the very picture of a model officer of the Navy, even if she was absurdly young to be wearing the rank of Commander… or she would be, had she not just woken from that accursed nightmare. Much to her displeasure, Yvonne brought her hand up and noticed it was still shaking, and she didn't need to look into a mirror to see how pale her face probably was.
Protagonist got! Yvonne has joined the party!
XenaC: I'm not sure 'gasped awake' is something that exists in written English.
Stirred awake, shot awake, usually see those more. Awoke with a start maybe.
XenaC: You know, things like 'lol, jk, meme' and the like made it into the English language. Maybe some day when we are but a forgotten memory and everyone has taken to diving physically into the true globalization that is the World Wide Web no one will care about these petty differences, but till then...
You gave me the thought of everyone in the world being subject to autocorrect. Well there's my nightmares for the week.
XenaC: ...Well. Apart from that there are one or two places where a sentence would have been better served by a fullstop/period instead of a comma or a run-on. Otherwise there's nothing big here except Big E.
Ayyyyyyyyyyyyy.
XenaC: Feel free to edit this if it's early spoilers, but yes.
Eh, it's nothing Major. Well, it is. But Late Arrival spoilers.
XenaC: This thing gave the game away for me, a tabula rasa of KC knowledge in 2015 within the first chapter. Spoilers my arse.
*Is zoned out* Wha? Sorry someone posted this video of corgis being adorable. What year is it?
XenaC: Just another year in the history of the world before it goes out in style. Not sure what you're on about, putting a time frame on 'when-Corgis-are-cute'.
"Last I checked, it's still another two hours before we land at Atsugi," Hammond supplied. "Are you okay? You were tossing and turning something fierce back there, Commander. Do you need me to get-"
"No need, it's just old memories," Yvonne replied dismissively. "And I thought I told you to not address me by my rank when we started this trip."
Not really one to stand on ceremony and wanting to avoid the any unnecessary awkwardness,
Yvonne had asked Hammond, a career soldier of least two decades, to avoid addressing her by her rank. She was a slip of a girl who looked barely older than twenty, and he was a man well into his late forties. It felt awkward for a man clearly twice her age to keep addressing her as his better, especially since she didn't like being reminded of her rank.
It was one thing to have gone up in rank through experience, hard work and dedication. It was another to have been made a Commander because the battles against the Abyssal fleet had left so many vacancies that the Navy was promoting anyone they had left with any sort of experience who could even remotely fill the billets.
The old saying was true: promotions came fast in wartime. It wasn't pleasant to be reminded of that, and Yvonne knew she wasn't the only one in the Navy that felt that way.
"Sorry ma'am. You're an officer, and well, old habits die hard."
"Well, stop doing it. I'll make it an order if I have to," Yvonne sighed as she settled back into her seat, "and I'm fine. I just can't stand being on this plane any longer than I have to."
"If you say so, ma'am," Hammond said, although his tone of voice hinted that he wasn't convinced.
The "Young and humble rank officer doesn't wish to be addressed by that rank by their older, more experienced subordinates." Trope. *ding*
Whiskey: No comment. w
XenaC: If you've been in the military you'd probably understand. There's the chickenshits who would lord their rank over other, but they can go...insert whatever anatomical anathema you would have them commit here. Most sensible young commanders are kinda self-conscious about it in a good way, and rightly so.
Eh, I'm not judging. Just pointing it out.
XenaC: Then to put it in Tropey terms, it's something of a Justified Trope.
Although Yvonne was annoyed that he seemed to be treating her line some kind of porcelain doll, this was something she'd gotten used to. Hammond wouldn't be the first to treat her like this, or many other US Navy officers with more than three years under their belt for that matter.
The casualties the Navy had taken just trying to hold back the Abyssals in the early months of the war were mind boggling: no other armed service had lost so many men or material trying to hold the line. At the start of the war the USN was the largest most powerful blue water Navy to ever exist, responsible for keeping the peace and protecting the world's oceans.
When the Abyssals appeared, it fell to them to stop this new threat.
The men and women of the Navy did their duty, and died doing it. The majority of their surface fleet, including nine of their aircraft carriers, and a good number of the fast attack submarine force… all gone. Their arsenals at Pearl Harbor and Norfolk razed to the ground. So many good men and women, dead, and people were still trying to figure out why.
Before the Abyssals had appeared, Yvonne had thought that December morning in 1941 was the darkest day in the US Navy's history.
Clearly she had been mistaken.
Great, now she was thinking about Pearl all over again.
You know the subtlety I praised before? Yeah this kinda kills it in it's infancy.
It was going so well to, buuuuuuuuuuuuuut she had t mention December 1941. Also does GG Pearl get got the same time as it did the first time, or was that plot point thought up later?
Either way, it's not like this screams E E E E E, but it does set people on too right a track, when without it you'd still send them that way while showing less of your hand.
XenaC: See, I did warn you earlier.
I forgot this happened when I said that, to be honest.
"So, why are you going to Yokosuka anyway?" Yvonne asked, wanting to distract herself from those dark thoughts. "I can't imagine what an old Air Force guy like you will be doing over there."
"Well, since you asked, I'm a tech. Predators and Reapers," Hammond supplied. "Not sure what good we can do though, since I hear those carrier girls of theirs have pretty much got everything covered."
"Don't sell yourself short. Conventional weapons can kill an Abyssal just as good as a ship girl's can."
This wasn't just Yvonne trying to make Hammond feel better. The Navy had won plenty of engagements against the Abyssal fleet before the ship girls were finally implemented. The problem was just that every single one of those victories was won in blood.
The Abyssals were endless in number.
The US Navy, significantly less so.
It was a simple matter of attrition, and it was one that the US Navy simply could not win.
MY GOD, HE ACTUALLY DID IT. HE MADE IT SO CONVENTIONALLY FORCES AREN'T USELESS GARBAGE AGAINST ABYSSALS!
I mean, I don't know how well he'll actually portray that, but god damn it's nice to see it was intended!
Whiskey: Thanks. Conventionals being useless is a trope I myself don't like.
XenaC: This is what I meant by I Actually Like GG. It had all these ideas man! I feel sad all over again. This sucks. This hurts. I need to burn something.
*hugs*
"Yeah, but it costs a shitload of lot more money to shoot a dozen Hellfires at one Abyssal destroyer than it is for a ship girl to do the same job. She'll probably do it a hell of a lot better than we could do it too since she doesn't have to cross her fingers and hope something hits either," Hammond sighed. "Man, getting kids to fight this damned war for us. I know there's not much we can do but… It just ain't right, y'know?"
Yvonne, a girl that looked young enough to be Hammond's daughter, couldn't help but find humour in Hammond's statement, but decided to keep her mouth shut. This was the welcome distraction from her restlessness that she had been looking for, after all.
Child Soldiers, someone grab the mine detectors.
Seriously though, does that point ever actually come up again?
Xena: I don't think the opportunity ever came. Not seriously I mean. Like beyond the usual oh-these-DDs-look-so-young business. But that's par for course.
Shame, even if I don't trust that'd gone down well it's still be something worth trying/
Whiskey: I'm pretty sure the intent was that to old salts like Hammond, all these new 18 year olds enlisting are kids.
Xena: Point is well taken. Now this is actually a good thing that GG does in the previous few sections. It answers a significant chunk of worldbuilding questions raised by its premise and the mini-prologue. Yes, as hard as I gave it flak for how it was written, it does raise the correct questions…
XenaC: ...Which this part then answers. Questions like: what could conventionals do against the Abyssals? How effective were they, and how did the fight go? What has America been doing to recoup its losses? What do people think of that? All of this is done is a relatively short period of time - and in a decently entertaining conversation. It's not very detailed, but this is Chapter 1 in a setting that's already predetermined in some ways by Kancolle and Real Life. We don't need massive amounts of specifics.
"Well, every little bit helps. We all do our part, and trust that one day it will matter."
"Ma'am, you sounded like a damn recruiter," Hammond said, his amusement finally
overshadowing his earlier concern. "Bet you got sucked in with all those recruitment slogans, eh?"
"You know the one; America's Navy, a global force for good," Yvonne nodded with a faint smile.
"Jesus, look at you. I just got that Captain America vibe from you. They should be sticking you on the recruiting posters!" Hammond laughed, "So why are you heading down there? Going to tell how those Jap girls how awesome our ship girls are going to be when we finally get some?"
""Jesus, look at you. I just got that Captain America vibe from you. They should be sticking you on the recruiting posters!""
*Inhales*
So should we talk about Why E is Yvonne? I feel like now might be a good time to talk about E being Yvonne.
So, personally, I do not like the fact that E is Yvonne. The idea itself could work, but not with E. In a situation like this you would not assign The Enterprise to such a role, especially when she could be much better used for PR and improving morale.
Basically E, in the context of her being the only know USN ship summoned, should be more like Yamato in this fic. Having a similar role.
XenaC: As I recall, the USN and the Joint Chiefs had more pragmatic reasons for not revealing them. Some of them are a bit less than completely noble. Don't worry, it's not Muv-luv-level ignoble bastardry.
I don't much care for their nobility in this instance, I just want to know why they made this decision. What was the reason.
Whiskey: I could explain but that would be spoilers. :/ It's addressed in Chapter 8. Oh. Right. I haven't released Chapter 8. :/
XenaC: ...I was about to say that. I don't recall chapter 8 well, myself, but here's what I can come up with on the fly and from what I do remember. It makes sense as a course of action because revealing them would...
A. That would make them targets.
B. People start asking questions 'why so few?' And as I said, people aren't dumb, but they can panic. If it did not take much for the fandom to come to the conclusion that the USN might be the Abyssals, what do you think the public at war would say?
C. They had an excuse in that they were still rebuilding, so they wanted to take that time to figure out how the hell to summon more, and what the problem is. So it was a stalling tactic.
D. Let's face it, 5 ships, no matter how bold or strong in their previous lives, are nothing. The girls themselves are also revealed to have wanted to help in whatever way they could, so oh well.
Well I feel like E being a PR figure would help more than this, but that's just me.
XenaC: It's a valid alternative take for sure. But at least this wasn't an unreasoned leap of logic.
Whiskey: This is really something on which one's mileage will vary. *shrug* Look at least it's better than Ambulance or Lady Liberty's worldbuilding and justifications.
XenaC: It's better than a lot of our worldbuilding period simply by virtue of having so much more of it. Ah, GG, you lost lamb. Why?
Ambiance and Lady Liberty is a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow bar, and you know it. d;
XenaC: We can piss on their stoops later. For now, Greatest Generation: Prepare to Divide Edition! Out now in Forums near you.
"Well no. I'm with the Office of Naval Intelligence, actually. I was sent by Admiral Briggs to find the origins of the Abyssal fleet."
Hammond stared.
"You're shitting me. Ma'am."
Yvonne looked at him dead in the eye.
"You're serious. Fuck. That's… wow… just… wow." Hammond leaned back into his seat, as if to steady himself. "That's a helluva responsibility they handed to you, kid. I mean, ma'am."
"We're short on manpower. Somebody had to do it," Yvonne shrugged. "We know how to fight these things well enough, but we understand so little about them. I expressed by thoughts to my superiors, and the next thing I knew I was an O-5 with a plane ticket to Japan."
"Shit, good luck to you then," Hammond said.
"Thanks. I'm going to need all the luck I can get."
Finding the origins of the Abyssals was going to be a tall order. There was a reason nobody had been able to figure out what they were until now: they always shot first, they never surrendered and were never taken alive… or dead for that matter.
There was speculation about what they were of course, but no real definitive answers.
With luck, Yvonne was going to change that.
"Say, you're with ONI, right?" Hammond turned to face Yvonne with a hopeful expression. "Hey, if it won't get you into trouble or anything, do you know when we'll be getting ship girls of our own?"
Yvonne couldn't help but roll her eyes.
"Not this question again."
Good goal, really fucking vague so you have room to work with.
XenaC: Well the question needed to be asked at some point in the story. It also would have been an excellent red herring from the idea that she was a shipgirl...if he hadn't made it so damn obvious at first! Which is a pity. This goal, and her reaction to his question would have made a good diversion otherwise.
Kantai Collection: The Greatest Generation
Part 1: Arrival at Yokosuka
Unnecessary second chapter title.
XenaC: Think of it as the eyecatch section of an anime. You know, the one with a totally fanservicey picture that has nothing at all to do with the rest of it? Except without said picture. Because we can't have nice things.
The dawn sun rose over the land of the rising sun, just as the C-17 finally touched down at Atsugi, and Yvonne had the good fortune to be treated to the breathtaking sight of the morning sun illuminating the bay.
While most of the USAF personnel were too busy offloading their own equipment to pay heed to the spectacle, Yvonne took a moment to admire the view.
"Well, I hope this is a good sign."
"Commander Swanson?" Yvonne turned to find a young Japanese man standing behind her in the JMSDF service dress uniform. The young officer gave her a snappy salute. "Lieutenant Satoshi Matsuda. I have orders to take you to Yokosuka Naval Base."
"Pleasure to meet you, Satoshi-Ittō Kaii. Please don't stand on ceremony," Yvonne crisply returned the salute, while speaking in Japanese… only to notice the man's lips curl into a smile.
"Sorry Commander, looks like I was trying to be a little too smart for my own good," he said in perfect English. "My first name is Satoshi. I just thought I'd reverse the order since most people from the States are used to having it the other way 'round."
"Oh, well. Yeah," Yvonne grumbled. She'd spent all that hard work learning the language too!
"Goddamn it, I could swear that's a New York accent."
"Bingo. I grew up in New York while I was still a kid. My Ma used to be on the UN delegation and I tagged along for about six years. Never quite lost the accent."
"You went with your mother to New York?"
"It was either that or live on a boat with the old man."
"Huh, well isn't that something." What were the odds that a JMSDF officer who grew up in New York would be the one to pick her up on her first day in Japan?
"I had my subordinate grab your bags to save you the trouble," Matsuda informed her, as he motioned Yvonne to a nearby jeep, clearly the one that they would be using for transport. Stowing what was clearly Yvonne's luggage into the back of the vehicle was a very conspicuous dark haired young woman in a dark blue uniform and an eyepatch.
Yvonne didn't have to be a genius to know what that girl was.
"Thanks for the help," Yvonne said graciously.
"Well, we'd best be on our way. The Admiral has been looking forward to your arrival for some time now," Matsuda agreed, "Still, it's nice to know you know Japanese. You might not need it with me, but trust me, you are going to havta to use it a lot where you're going."
I admit, this section I liked. Made me smile.
Also: TENRYUU GOT!
Whiskey: In the original version of this text, Matsuda sounded more proper. I went and binged cop shows set in New York to try and get an idea/feel for how people talk in New York.
Can Confirm, it's good enough.
XenaC: I guess we can just say that this bit does fine. Also, Tenryuu! Goddamn it Chapter...whichever it is with the DDs in it. Why did you suddenly throw the Serious Ball into a Crack scenario?!
Chapter 3 I think, or 4.
XenaC: Whichever. Still, I'm grieving at the vitriol I already know I will spill when I read that bit.
Yeah that's gonna be….a thing. But that's later talk.
Yokosuka Naval District had a long and storied history.
Originally a quaint little native fishing village, its strategic location would result in the district becoming home to some of the greatest concentrations of maritime power in history. It was the main arsenal of the Imperial Japanese Navy, and then later became a major centre of US Naval power as United States Fleet Activities Yokosuka.
In the light of the near total destruction of the Seventh Fleet against the Abyssals, Yokosuka had once again reverted to its original ownership. The US maintained a small section of the base for themselves since the USAF was now an active part of the war effort in the region, but otherwise the whole district was more or less back in Japanese hands.
This was very apparent to Yvonne as she watched her surroundings go by while the small jeep travelled towards its destination. Years ago, this was the home port of Carrier Strike Group Five, a fleet with enough military power to challenge entire countries.
Now, the only thing left that indicated that the USS Ronald Regan was ever here was the odd signpost in English that the JSDF hasn't taken down in the district's remodelling.
Expositiooooooooooooooon. Needed, granted. But it could have been done better.
XenaC: You know that nice conversation they were having? Just comment on the sights! The real problematic exposition, in my view, is internal exposition. Thoughts, emotions. That one sucks. This stuff is just unnecessarily long. If you're going to do exposition, you either go full wordsmith or you outsource. If you're neither, you're done. Next batter up. This sounds like a stupid plug, but I used to love Ayezur's stuff for wordsmithing. Granted, the stories were much smaller in scale and relied much more on familiarity with setting than GG, but still.
Agreed, people would explain or bring up this stuff by talking. Makes things feel more natural, flow a bit more.
"You've been awfully quiet, there," Matsuda asked in Japanese from the driver's seat., "You okay?"
"Sorry, it's just… it's hard to take in how much we've lost," Yvonne replied in the language. "We used to be all over this place, but now it's like we were never here."
"Yeah, Carrier Group Five. Went down swinging against an Abyssal battlegroup thrice their size, when they refused to abandon a passenger ship full of refugees." Matsuda shook his head sadly.
Yvonne closed her eyes and grit her teeth, fighting back the anger she felt towards the Abyssal fleet for that massacre. Her anger was tempered with the feelings of pride at the bravery and courage of her countrymen, but this didn't change the fact that good people had died because of those monsters.
Yvonne's discomfort must have been apparent, as Matsuda quickly took it upon himself to change the subject.
This is sliiiiiiiiiiiiiightly better, but I feel it portrays Yvonne's emotions a bit too….bluntly. It kinda feels like she's telling us how she feels, rather than showing us.
XenaC: It's kind of more egregious because it starts well with the talking...and then they hit you in the face with the emotion hammer. PSA: Your mistakes are more obvious if you put them next to things you did well. Like, one line away. So if you're going to do silly things, please put 'em where the sun don't shine.
"So, you're not going to ask about Tenryuu or what?" Matsuda inclined his head towards where the ship girl sat in the back seat. Tenryuu was leaning against the window with a bored expression, the kind that indicated just how little she cared about being there. "Most people get quite excited when they meet their first Kanmusu."
"No problem, just pretend I'm not here. I just carried your bags for you and all that," Tenryuu snarked grumpily, earning a reproachful look from Matsuda in the front seat.
"Oh, uh, sorry," Yvonne said abashedly.
She'd been so caught up in her own thoughts that she'd neglected to thank Tenryuu for helping
her with her luggage, because she had been so focused on the base itself.
Now that she had realized this though, Yvonne was getting a distinctly uncomfortable feeling at allowing Tenryuu to be right behind her.
This was going to be a problem.
"Fufufu, ya scared?" Tenryuu chuckled upon noticing Yvonne's silence.
"Not really. Just kind of overwhelmed by everything that's all," Yvonne recovered smoothly.
"Besides, no offense, but compared to Abyssals you look kind of… normal? Does that make any sense?"
"Che. Admiral, this is a waste of time. Why do we have to be the one to drag this Yankee over to the base anyway?" Tenryuu groused lazily. "There could be so many other important things we could be doing with our time. I mean c'mon, I could be training or something, not playing a bellhop."
"Tenryuu! She is a guest. Watch your tone."
"Yeah, yeah. I'll shut up. Going to take a nap, so wake me when we get there." Tenryuu leaned back, and within moments was out like a light.
I like Tenryuu, Tenryuu is a character I enjoy seeing. And I like how this fic shows more than just "Momboat to DDs lol," that some lesser fics might do. Shows layers to the character, seems more three dimensional.
Whiskey: That's probably because momboat Tenryuu hadn't become a thing yet, haha, so we got cool big sis delinquent Tenryu. I do think that maybe i should have gotten you guys to help me go over GG's restart haha.
*Hands business card made of napkins and marker* Call me~ ;b
XenaC: Hey, I just met you-sorry. But yeah each year has its shipgirl tropes, now that I recall what I was told. I admit I liked delinquent Tenryuu a bit better, but I feel like Sasa later goes full retard with that too, I mean.
I understood that reference. *sips*
And it's like he went full meme because he probably started said meme. Or at least popularized it.
A better term for that might be he exaggerated her character , Flanderized a bit.
XenaC: Sort of. I'd say part of it comes of having put serious consequences onto a crack situation with characters acting like they were in a crack fic. There's something to be said about flanderization, more to be said about bad dramatic choices. Granted he did have a purpose for it, but what was lost in the process was a step too far. A story for next time, though.
Whiskey: Like I said, this is what happens when you have a crack author stepping outside his comfort zone.
"Temperamental. Very good at her job though, and she's invaluable in keeping the kids in line," Matsuda explained with a sigh. "This was not what I expected to be doing when I received my commission."
Ahahhahahahahaaaaaaaaam chapter 3 is gonna be 'Fun'.
XenaC: ....
"I can relate. So… Admiral, huh?" Yvonne quickly glanced at Matsuda's insignia and confirmed that the man she was with was indeed a mere O-3. There was probably a story behind that, hopefully one less morbid than how she had come into her own rank.
"Little cultural quirk all our Kanmusu have. If you're their commanding officer, you're an Admiral to them, regardless as to what rank you really are," Matsuda clarified. "It helps that most people that are in charge of them are really Admirals, but then you get an officer like me who's put in command of a few Kanmusu because of efficiency or necessity."
"Yeah, so how did you wind up in charge of her then?"
"Expeditionary force: basically I'm in charge of logistics, and since I work with Destroyer Division
Six so much, they ended up putting me in command of them to save me the runaround, and it pretty much went from there. Now I have two light cruisers and four destroyers under my command. Well, one cruiser and four destroyers: Tatsuta's over in the United States at the moment as part of our detachment at San Diego. Normally I have her as my de facto secretary ship, but since she's on the other side of the Pacific at the moment, well… we make do."
"Sounds like you lucked out."
"More or less. So, Commander, huh?"
Yvonne couldn't help but give an amused huff. This guy had a bit of snark of his own. The pair quieted as they had arrived outside at a large imposing building that was clearly the main headquarters of the base. Pulling into the driveway, Matsuda stopped to allow Yvonne to disembark.
"Thanks for the ride."
"Don't worry about your bags, we've already assigned a room to you so I'll have 'em sent there. Just go straight to the lobby and take the elevator to the Admiral's office on the top floor, you can't miss it." Matsuda helpfully directed her.
"Thanks for that."
"It's not a problem. Call me if you need anything, Commander," Matsuda said, before taking off.
So I heard Matsuda X Tatsuta was the go-to ship for these parts.
XenaC: Again, as we said, never got there. This is all-around decent build up. Interesting points about shipgirls, also why Tatsuta isn't around. I wouldn't complain.
I like Matsuda, so far he's the most enjoyable character we've seen. That guy who was with Yvonne on the plan I can't remember, and Yvonne has had to should the clunky exposition.
XenaC: This is because Matsuda has no baggage man.
True, but I feel like I should care a bit more for the Protagonist than…."eh, kinda."
Whiskey: that's because Matsuda is honorary Jersey. Okay, Brooklyn but eh, close enough?
Yvonne hasn't shown much character other than the stuff about her position and the stuff about Pearl. Could have used a bit more back and forth with Matsuda, less internal ramblings.
I get that she is very upset about what has happened to the USN, and has a traumatic connection to pearl. But that's not so much a personality as it is character traits so far.
But on the other hand, not done with chapter one yet.
XenaC: Long chapter is long...taking Warframe break. Also it probably feels long because we're not just shitting on it. Which is a good thing because it doesn't deserve it.
kk.
"Commander Yvonne Swanson, reporting to Yokosuka Naval Base, as ordered," Yvonne announced, coming to attention. The Admiral, seated behind his desk, simply nodded as he skimmed through her papers and acknowledged what was in them, while she waited patiently for him to finish.
"So, a mission to discover the origin of the Abyssal Fleet? And you are all they sent?" The weathered old sailor looked at Yvonne with curiosity.
"We are very shorthanded right now, sir."
"Shorthanded as the US Navy is, I am sure that they could have sent more, given the significance of this mission," the Admiral noted matter-of-factly. "Sending a girl of your age alone to take care of a task as monumental as this either speaks of desperation, or of your ability. I wonder if it is the former, or the latter. How do you intend to succeed, where so many others have failed?"
"The outline of my mission, as well as its specifics, have been outlined in detail with the brief included with my transfer papers, sir."
"I am aware of that, but some parts of this briefing have been redacted."
"My methods are classified, sir. I have been instructed to keep them on a strict need to know basis. I can, however, assure you that I am confident in my success," Yvonne replied smoothly.
The Admiral raised a curious eyebrow, seemingly both intrigued and taken aback by the confidence and oddity of her reply. "That is an interesting reply, Commander."
"It's the only reply I am authorized to give, Admiral."
"Indeed. Military intelligence… always so vexing." The Admiral set her papers down. "Your orders come with the approval of the Chief of Naval Operations himself, so I see little reason to hold you for longer than I already have. I will call my assistant to show you to your quarters."
"Thank you, sir."
"Welcome to Yokosuka Naval Base, Commander Swanson."
Foreshadowing how people won't be too friendly to Yvonne as an Intelligence officer. Props should be given for that at least.
Whiskey: And this is the part where I have to call it quits, it's 2AM and I'm nodding off in my chair. I'll leave some post chapter commentary way below tho. Good night. *waves nervously, envisioning what he'll wake up to*
XenaC: You'll also forgive me for being a bit nitpicky at 2am, but usually the Japanese aren't so direct with people they don't know well. The bit about 'military intelligence' is more true to form, while the first part is a bit...eh. I dunno. Author discretion, I'd like to say. It completely forgivable for someone not well accustomed to the way Japanese people tend to speak to not know the difference between the way people speak in anime versus other scenarios.
When the Admiral's secretary showed up, Yvonne was quite surprised to find that the aide to the
most senior officer on the base was, in fact, a ship girl.
"I am Battleship Nagato, pleased to meet you. I am the Admiral's secretary ship." The long haired beauty gave a respectful bow to Yvonne, who had been waiting outside the Admiral's office for her escort. "I welcome you to Yokosuka Naval Base, Commander Swanson. It is an honour to have you in our base."
"It's… an honor to be here?" Yvonne said.
That feeling that uncomfortable feeling she had from Tenryuu returned, this time tenfold.
Yvonne knew how irrational the feeling was, but allowing one of the most powerful big gun warships ever built so close to her person, knowing well that Nagato had enough firepower to level the entire building, if not the entire base, was a terrifying prospect.
She felt so naked and alone without someone with her.
Good god, she'd only met two Japanese ship girls so far and already she felt like running to Dakota and O'Bannon for help.
Maybe they were right; this wasn't such a good idea after all.
*Bites tongue* We'll get to that….
XenaC: Again, I told you so. And again, shipgirl sense hammer strikes again.
"I am making you uncomfortable."
"Not… not a problem." Yvonne squelched down on her discomfort with her considerable force of will and successfully regained her composure. Get a hold of yourself woman, she chided herself.
"Sorry, but this is all very new to me. I haven't met many Kanmusu before. My experience with this sort of thing has been mostly with the Abyssals until now."
Nagato seemed to study Yvonne with interest. It seemed that the battleship wasn't about to let the issue drop without one final push. Thankfully, Yvonne knew exactly what to say to that.
"…I was at Pearl."
"Oh. I see. You have my condolences, then." Nagato winced sympathetically.
"Could have been worse. I could have been at Norfolk," Yvonne grunted sourly as she recalled the horror stories. A good portion of the fleet had been docked in there for repairs when it had happened. Poor bastards hadn't even gotten the chance to weigh anchor before the Abyssals stormed in and turned the whole place into a charnel house.
Okay Pearl I can get being fucked, but Norfolk? There would be a loooooooooooooooot more shit fucked than Pear if they got to Norfolk. And with Pearl gone Hawai is pretty fucked already.
XenaC: I think we're forgetting that this fic is supposed to be 'America is at least 6/10 on the desperation scale'. That said, Yvonne's reaction sort of puts the lie to it. So I guess this passage in general sort of fails at its own un-stated goal anyway after setting up well enough of it. I mean, Yvonne wasn't there personally (and she doesn't have double the bad memories of Norfolk), so it probably doesn't sting as bad but I don't think 'sourly' is the way you would describe a person talking about a naval base being turned into a 'charnel house'. That's like Guts-level not-giving-a-shit right there.
Like, you all know where Norfolk is right?
whiskey: in my understanding they only went after the base, they left NAS pceana and langley afb alone.
XenaC: I did look it up, yes. And damn, that insider information trading.
""Could have been worse. I could have been at Norfolk," Yvonne grunted sourly as she recalled the horror stories. A good portion of the fleet had been docked in there for repairs when it had happened. Poor bastards hadn't even gotten the chance to weigh anchor before the Abyssals stormed in and turned the whole place into a charnel house.
"
Two things, why only hit the base, and how did they get there to storm it undetected?
Whisky: Abyssal bullshit. They do it again in ch 6. I'm a little ashamed sometimes of how much GG relied on that.
XenaC: Abyssal bullshit. Also, the whole 'only the sea is important' thing is also really silly, and I'm glad that fics like Belated Battleships took on that idea and gave it a bit of a shakedown, albeit in a very sideward manner that I wish got expanded, but as was once said by men much wiser than I - 'not as I will'.
So they did it because Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiic. FIne.
All I'll say is, we call it Abyssal Bullshit for a reason.
Whiskey: that said lookup NORPAC 82. The USN had 2 CVBGs off the soviet coast running mirror image training strikes for four days and the soviets never found them or knew they were around until the us let them know.
Okay.
"Then do not worry, Commander. We are nothing like the Abyssals. You will have nothing to fear from any who serve. In fact, take comfort in our presence: each and every Kanmusu on this base would lay down their lives before allowing you to come to harm."
"Well hopefully that won't be necessary."
"Indeed. Shall we?"
With that the two women walked through the winding halls of Yokosuka's main HQ. Nagato proceeded to give Yvonne a brief tour of the building, pointing out where all the basic facilities were or anything that might be of interest to Yvonne, before showing the American to the guest quarters they had set up for her.
One thing that caught Yvonne's attention was just how empty the building was.
Unlike Naval Station Everett where she had been stationed previously, Yokosuka base seemed to be operating on a skeleton crew. There were people around of course, they encountered the odd officer here and there, on their tour, but it was far less than even what Yvonne had been used to. When asked about it, Nagato was all too willing to explain.
"The Admiralty prefers to keep us Kanmusu segregated from the regular troops, because it makes people uncomfortable to know that we are fighting in their place. As such this base is operating on essential support personnel for us Kanmusu only. Aside from the helicopter destroyer Izumo and the guided missile destroyer Mirai, which both are operating at a reduced crew on the south quarter of the base, the majority of our conventional fighting strength has been relocated to Maizuru."
I don't quite get that last part about segregating the Shipgirls from the normal people. What the hell does " it makes people uncomfortable to know that we are fighting in their place." even mean?
Whiskey: cute girls fighting and dying in place of all us fat otaku
XenaC: I feel like sasa's downplaying the idea that we otaku would be 100% okay with this. I mean, Japan is just as well-known (depending on what circles you walk in) for vocal civil society as much as they are for being Otakuland. But I'm very sure that most militaries would see the value of at least training for combined arms operations. So this bit of the armed forces looks different. They have magic bullshit. Whatever, move on and get on with life. Or you know, with the war we're supposed to be winning against those things that came out of a one-night-stand between Pacific Rim and Sex Appeal for Dummies. At the worst we just need the MPs at the ready for...you know. Incidents. People will have to be...relocated, if necessary. Things like that.
"Wise choice," Yvonne agreed.
After the absolute bloodbaths that were Pearl Harbor and Norfolk, several navies had opted to relocate their conventional fighting strength to safer waters, away from large oceans where the
Abyssals seemed be coming from. Sure, it meant that those ships would have to take a considerably longer route to get to the engagement zone, but the added safety was well worth the inconvenience. It wasn't as if conventional forces where that effective anymore, now that the ship girls were on the scene anyway.
If she remembered her geography correctly, Maizuru was facing away from the Pacific Ocean towards Russian waters, and thus would be less vulnerable to attacks from the Abyssals coming in from the south-east. Even if it were to be attacked, they would have at least some advance warning to prepare defenses, or at worst case, evacuate.
Except they wouldn't have that warning, because Abyssals can just sneak up and attack you anyway any time they please.
XenaC: You do realize they haven't had the time to write a dissertation or ten on the kinds of magic bullshit the Abyssals have. So they've got a serious disadvantage here, and I'd say they legitimately don't recognize that. I'd give it a pass.
"Can't imagine it was easy fitting all your ships in Maizuru though."
"Not much left to fit. We lost half our surface fleet before we Kanmusu were developed. Nowhere near what your Navy has lost, but still not an inconsiderable amount. Those Abyssasls will pay for that they have done," Nagato glowered darkly.
"Amen to that."
"Ohy, Nagato!" A cheery voice interrupted the pair mid tour. Both Yvonne and Nagato turned to regard an excitable brown haired young girl in a white shrine maiden's outfit - at least what Yvonnethought was a shrine maiden's outfit - who was bounding down the hallway towards them.
"Hey! This must be the American girl I've been hearing so much about! IT IS NI-CE TO MEET YOU. HOW ARE YOU DO-ING! WELCOME TO YOKOSUKA."
What.
Oh fuck me with a bag of dicks…..KONGOU'S HERE EVERYBODY!
XenaC: I'd rather he saved excitable for after he's had Kongou like...maybe say more than one line. Because Kongou very quickly shows herself to be excitable once you let her say enough. Again, show-don't-tell. Next.
"Kongou, I see you have returned from your mission. I trust it went well."
Jesus Christ, not another battleship.
"YES. I, Kongou, completely dominated the enemy with my BURNING LOVE for the Admiral. He was most PLEASED with my performance!" Kongou animatedly clenched her hand to display her unbridled passion, something that went directly over Yvonne and Nagato's heads. "But enough about me, this is the American who's come from abroad to help us? GOOD DAY MY NEW FRIEND!HUGS!"
Then Kongou scooped Yvonne up in a big bear hug, a true feat considering Yvonne was at least a head and a half taller than Kongou, causing the American to go completely rigid in the excitable battleship's arms.
Yvonne had been already uncomfortable by just being near Nagato.
Getting hugged by Kongou was enough to make the naval intelligence officer's every thought process come to a screeching halt.
"Eep," Yvonne squeaked.
Nagato, having buried her face into her hands, seemed to be on the verge of weeping, before she turned to Yvonne and gave a low sigh. "Kongou…"
"MY NAME IS KONGOU, NAME SHIP OF THE KONGOU CLASS. I COME FROM ENG-LAND. WHAT IS YO-UR NAME? WOULD YOU LIKE SOME TEA?"
….that's adorable. I don't get why SHE'S YELLING SO MUCH. But it's cute!
XenaC: It's supposed to indicate when she's speaking in conspicuous Engrish. You know, like in her voice lines. It's not the most elegant solution, but it was the solution sasahara chose, I guess. Bridge over something something lay me down.
Huh.
"Please… let me have some personal space," Yvonne gasped, wondering if it was just her imagination that her ribs felt like they was cracking under the crushing embrace of the fast battleship Kongou. Holy shit, this girl was strong. Thankfully for Yvonne's lungs, Kongou released her, allowing Yvonne to lean against a nearby wall to catch her breath.
"Ah, SORRY," Kongou said, cheerfully apologetic.
"Kongou, she is a foreign officer of the United States Navy and a guest. Please try not to embarrass us completely and show some tact," Nagato rebuked sternly. Kongou gave a nervous laugh, having realized she may have been a little too excited about Yvonne's arrival.
"It's fine Nagato. I'm not hurt or anything," Yvonne said as she caught herself. "It's nice to meet you Kongou. I did some research before coming here, and it is an honor to meet one of the more decorated members of the ship girl fleet."
"HA! Yes, so you have heard of me! GOOD JOB!" Kongou beamed happily at the praise. "Anyway,
GREAT that America is finally joining the fight. So, which ship are you?"
Yvonne groaned.
"Oh, not this again."
"Kongou, please, we've been over this," Nagato sighed.
"Which ship? America has so many cool ships I, Kongou, can't even begin to guess who you are!"
The brunette continued undeterred., "I'm sure they brought back their best. So? WHO ARE YOU? Are you the Iowa? Wait NO! She's still afloat as a museum ship… Missouri! Wait no, that's not it either. Houston? Hm, no REACTION. Pennsylvania? No. Arizona? Hm, not her either. AH, YES! With that flight deck chest as flat as yours, you must be-"
"Commander Yvonne Swanson, United States Navy, Office of Naval Intelligence," Yvonne said sharply. "I was sent here to discover the origins of the Abyssal fleet."
There was silence as Yvonne allowed this to sink into Kongou's brain. It almost made Yvonne guilty to see the disappointment fall over the excitable girl's features, as she understood the full ramifications of what Yvonne was saying.
"I'm sorry to disappoint you," she added, not unkindly.
"You're not a Kanmusu?" Kongou said in a tone reminiscent of a kicked puppy.
"Would a ship girl be working for naval intelligence?"
"Kongou, we've been over this," Nagato cut in to spare Yvonne the trouble. "The American Navy was decimated by the Abyssals, trying to hold the line while we were being trained. At the moment they're still in the process of rebuilding their fighting strength. They can't help us just yet."
"You mean the official story is right? I thought that was just the American President telling fibs," Kongou sighed. "Man, SO DISSAPOINTING."
"If it helps, when we do eventually get some ship girls ready to help you out, Yokosuka is at the top of the list for places that are going to be reinforced," Yvonne placated her. "The JSDF has been kind enough to station a task group at San Diego. The least we could do is pay you back when we get the chance."
"Oh, SORRY. I didn't mean any offense. I was just so excited since I thought I was finally going to meet some new friends," Kongou hung her head apologetically. "I've been reading up on history and the US Navy had some of the most POWERFUL ships in the war. SO COOL! If we had them fighting with us, this war would be over in no time."
Yvonne couldn't help but agree with that.
*Grooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan*
I don't like this section. Not a single bit. Even without the spoiler that E IS YVONNE OH MY GAWD, it's still so very obvious that Yvonne is a shipgirl, Fuck at this point they might as well have had it be officially revealed at the end of the fucking thing! The mystery is nonexistent.
XenaC: I would say what I said a few times before already, but let's talk about Kongou's characterization instead. I think this marks the beginning of a certain tendency towards flanderization, as we mentioned before, that becomes more egregious as time goes by. There are exceptions, but the trend in GG is always toward this and reflects a lack of planning as to the ramifications of what characters say, when they say it, and how the author chooses to portray the process.
Sasa was a crack writer, and this is what you'd see in light-hearted comedic one-shots or snippets. This doesn't translate well to actual characters.
XenaC: Basically this. This is okay in crack fics, but it is the absolute no-go in the long-term. These are characters you may and indeed do see more often, you cannot afford to have them completely come off as a cardboard cutout straight from a dime-store novel. This lack of planning the fic as a long-term RealFic will prove to be the flaw that sinks this ship eventually, but let's move on.
The brunette continued undeterred., "I'm sure they brought back their best. So? WHO ARE YOU? Are you the Iowa? Wait NO! She's still afloat as a museum ship… Missouri! Wait no, that's not it either. Houston? Hm, no REACTION. Pennsylvania? No. Arizona? Hm, not her either. AH, YES! With that flight deck chest as flat as yours, you must be-"
Fuck all of this. I'll elaborate on why in the next section.
XenaC: Duly...noted.
"You mean the official story is right? I thought that was just the American President telling fibs,"
It is.
"This is your room, Commander Swanson."
Yvonne's first impression of the room was that it was nice, if in a humble cosy sort of way. Certainly better than her old accommodations back in Everett, but then again back then she wasn't a Commander. It was modest room, sporting a single bed, a cupboard, a desk and a chair, but the make of the furniture and the nice view afforded by the single window overlooking the base made it feel more like a hotel room than assigned quarters that apparently doubled as her personal office.
As promised by Matsuda, Yvonne noted that her effects had been left at the foot of the single bed in the corner of the room.
"Thanks for showing me around, Nagato," Yvonne said as she walked over to her duffel bags to begin unpacking.
"The Admiral has nothing for you for the rest of the day. It has been decided to allow you a day to overcome your jet lag and get settled in," Nagato said from where she stood at the doorway. "He has advised me that from tomorrow onwards you will be assigned an aide to assist you in your duties as you see fit. While you are a foreign officer, please remember that this is a Japanese Navy facility and you are to adhere to all our rules and customs as required…"
And the lecture went on.
Wow, what a square.
XenaC: Well...characterization just got a bit harder didn't it?
Yvonne what is your personality.
XenaC: The problem here is not so much with Yvonne, it's with the narration suddenly losing patience with itself. Here's the thing. When you pick a PoV character, you're given this much time to establish how the person thinks. You can break with it, but you need to give some warning first, not-
It's not First person, but it's biased third.That is doable, but here it's taking away from Yvonne.
XenaC: -yeah, straight up going an inch away from authorial voice and going "FIVE MINUTES LATER". Even Brecht needs to establish his play's Brecht-ness from the outset first before proceeding to go "screw logic I have a message!"
Even so, as a representative of the US Navy, Yvonne did the honorable thing and listened to Nagato as she continued on about protocol and discipline for some time. Thankfully, the impromptu lecture was 'only' for about ten minutes or so, and soon the secretary ship turned to other matters.
"I will see to it that Kongou is reprimanded for her actions," Nagato noted once she had finished,
"What she did was impolite, and an embarrassment to our Navy. I will see to it that the Admiral knows about this. On behalf of the Japanese Navy, I offer you our sincerest apologies over what inconvenience she may have caused you."
"Hey, I told you not to worry about it," Yvonne insisted, with a wave of her hand. "Look, there's no need to go bother the Admiral. It's actually nice to have met someone who was so friendly like
Kongou. I was actually a little worried that my reception on the base would be a little, well, cold. I don't think it'll do me any favors making enemies on my first day here."
Nagato shifted on her feet awkwardly.
Oh, that wasn't a good sign.
"…Yes, it might be wise to remain on Kongou's good side. Very well, if that is your order, I will not tell the Admiral, just this once. Any other breach in protocol after this will be dealt with, however."
"I sense there is something else you want to say?"
"You will find that Kongou is a… minority on this base," Nagato stated carefully, with tactfully chosen words. "Many of our comrades are not as understanding of the current plight of the US Navy and feel affronted that you have not produced Kanmusu of your own yet. Some of your Navy's more vocal critics will not take your arrival to Yokosuka very well."
"I see." This was upsetting, but not something Yvonne hadn't foreseen before coming.
Caustic relations, fun times!
XenaC: I've said this before. Readers are not idiots. A person shifting their feet is nervous, and of course that's not a good sign. A person speaking carefully is being tactful. But it's the same chapter, so the point shall not be belaboured. It's not as if you should count on a person will magically learn of a mistake -however earnestly made!- they made in the middle of a chapter.
Subtle as a sledgehammer. That's how I can describe this chapter to far.
XenaC: ...you know, a lot of other stuff we could read isn't that much better. Word-smithing is hard man. It's hard.
Never said it was. It's more so, if Sasa had less than he did, taken a few key parts away, it'd be much more subtle. But again, gonna get to that soon enough.
While the rest of the world's navies had solidly established their ship girl fleets, to the point where the Italians had already certified that the Mediterranean was Abyssal-free, the United States was lagging behind. It wasn't surprising that this was the case; a quarter million casualties, the destruction of the Atlantic and Pacific fleets and two of their largest installations fleet bases wasn't something that the Navy could recover from quickly.
It was so bad that most of the Navy's operations for the last nine months were centered on trying to assess just how much they had lost and tallying the death toll. Reconstruction efforts had only just begun. Going from the most powerful blue water navy to what they were now was traumatizing to everyone wearing Yvonne's uniform.
Most, even those who had been formerly critical of the US Navy's power, understood. It had been the US Navy that had held the line while everyone else struggled to find a solution. After all they had been through, after all their blood, sweat and tears, the US Navy deserved some slack.
Unfortunately, there were always detractors who wanted to know why the exhausted remnants of the once proud United States Navy weren't doing more by throwing themselves back into the fray.
Most of these detractors were politicians, civilian commentators… and ironically enough, many ship girls of foreign powers, who couldn't appreciate what the conventional forces had suffered holding out against the Abyssal threat.
Oh fuck the exposition is back. These would be fine enough on their own, but this is the third in one chapter. And we're still only half done.
XenaC: Even the conversation is being tinted by the exposition bug. Good word…
XenaC:...and actually this is where I suggest we take an actual break. We've been at this a while, and I feel like it's only a matter of time before we devolve into same-old-bullshit without picking out what's actually done nicely and what's not. I'd rather put this off for another time than push on and let us actually devolve into bullshit ourselves.
Okay, Next time. GG Chapter one, Part one, Part two.
Oh god this is gonna take another three months isn't it?
XenaC: Eternity? =P
Whiskey: Some further commentary: in the original first ever draft of this story, the chapter would have ended with fairies trying to comfort Yvonne and cheer her up, and make it clear she was Enterprise. Then on SB it was suggested to try and conceal things from the reader, and so Sasahara rolled with that and generally it was favorably received (except for a few people who were and remain salty over hidden Enterprise). In hindsight, I probably should have gone over the earlier bits of Chapter 1 and made things more subtle, but back then, as I said, I was a lot more hands off, limiting myself to dialogue, voice and general research, while letting SB's spoiler thread be the sounding board. Ever since November 2015, I keep thinking that was one of my biggest mistakes with this story. :/