Comrade Future
Man from Zeerust
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As a reminder, most of the student movement of the sixties was the thwarting of the US Military's plans for Vietnam. We must keep up the pressure.
The Fear is Gone & We Stand as Equals - A Soviet Cold War Quest
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[X] Agree, but establish that the United States and by extent the West has to initiate disarmament first to allow tensions to cool after Cuba.
[X] The matter of Vietnam is at it's very essence, humanitarian. The conflict has encouraged devastation and set a bad precedent for world peace. We expect the United States to pull out, but we will support our communist allies.
[X] The matter of Vietnam is at it's very essence, humanitarian. The conflict has encouraged devastation and set a bad precedent for world peace. We expect the United States to pull out, but we will support our communist allies.
[X] You're inclined to agree on the matter; nuclear weapons are a threat to the very essence of humanity itself. However, you have no intention of lowering the amount of nuclear reactors or Soviet exploration of potential uses in nuclear energy.
[X] Agree, but establish that the United States and by extent the West has to initiate disarmament first to allow tensions to cool after Cuba.
yah I agree with him on this just not sure if I trust him to follow through on it though
[X] The matter of Vietnam is at it's very essence, humanitarian. The conflict has encouraged devastation and set a bad precedent for world peace. We expect the United States to pull out, but we will support our communist allies.
[X] At this very moment the only way the Soviet Union will cease direct support is on the dismantlement of the south Vietnamese fascist regime.
one of these because you don't withdraw support when you are winning and south Vietnam as veteranMortal said is bad
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[X] I will offer my unconditional support for Lomako to begin his removals and reshuffling of the Council of Ministers; as this is a direct continuation of my own policy proposals, he will begin laying down the groundwork for giving OGAS a clear chance to act. Glushkov is well respected and will make for a good successor to the Stalinist Garbuzov.
[X] Plan Advanced Socialist Development
[X] Agree, but establish that the United States and by extent the West has to initiate disarmament first to allow tensions to cool after Cuba.
yah I agree with him on this just not sure if I trust him to follow through on it though
[X] The matter of Vietnam is at it's very essence, humanitarian. The conflict has encouraged devastation and set a bad precedent for world peace. We expect the United States to pull out, but we will support our communist allies.
[X] At this very moment the only way the Soviet Union will cease direct support is on the dismantlement of the south Vietnamese fascist regime.
one of these because you don't withdraw support when you are winning and south Vietnam as veteranMortal said is bad
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[X] I will offer my unconditional support for Lomako to begin his removals and reshuffling of the Council of Ministers; as this is a direct continuation of my own policy proposals, he will begin laying down the groundwork for giving OGAS a clear chance to act. Glushkov is well respected and will make for a good successor to the Stalinist Garbuzov.
[X] Plan Advanced Socialist Development
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- California
Well this is awkward. We were planning to build more nuclear power plants, and now they're asking about nuclear disarmament. This is rife with misunderstanding.
Astra Myst
Do you want a wish?
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- Milky Way Galaxy
Do you think the North Vietnamese can handle this on their own or no
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- somewhere on this dying planet
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Okay, I have absolutely no clue who this "Wallace" person is. It can't be George Wallace since he never defected to the GOP even in OTL, and none of the candidates I found for the 1968 Republican primaries Wikipedia page mentioned anyone with that name except for George as a write-in candidate.
[X] You're inclined to agree on the matter; nuclear weapons are a threat to the very essence of humanity itself. However, you have no intention of lowering the amount of nuclear reactors or Soviet exploration of potential uses in nuclear energy.
[X] The matter of Vietnam is at it's very essence, humanitarian. The conflict has encouraged devastation and set a bad precedent for world peace. We expect the United States to pull out, but we will support our communist allies.
[X] You're inclined to agree on the matter; nuclear weapons are a threat to the very essence of humanity itself. However, you have no intention of lowering the amount of nuclear reactors or Soviet exploration of potential uses in nuclear energy.
[X] The matter of Vietnam is at it's very essence, humanitarian. The conflict has encouraged devastation and set a bad precedent for world peace. We expect the United States to pull out, but we will support our communist allies.
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- Location
- France
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- She/They
[X] You're inclined to agree on the matter; nuclear weapons are a threat to the very essence of humanity itself. However, you have no intention of lowering the amount of nuclear reactors or Soviet exploration of potential uses in nuclear energy.
[X] The matter of Vietnam is at it's very essence, humanitarian. The conflict has encouraged devastation and set a bad precedent for world peace. We expect the United States to pull out, but we will support our communist allies.
I propose to give ground on the nukes because it doesn't really make the cause of world socialism worse while maintaining our commitment to our allies. It's not like we're sending boots on the ground in Vietnam anyway, unlike them. And I think he really doesn't want to bleed for South Vietnam.
[X] The matter of Vietnam is at it's very essence, humanitarian. The conflict has encouraged devastation and set a bad precedent for world peace. We expect the United States to pull out, but we will support our communist allies.
I propose to give ground on the nukes because it doesn't really make the cause of world socialism worse while maintaining our commitment to our allies. It's not like we're sending boots on the ground in Vietnam anyway, unlike them. And I think he really doesn't want to bleed for South Vietnam.
Anchises
Leader of the Coconut Tree Fremen
- Location
- Germany
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[X] I will offer my unconditional support for Lomako to begin his removals and reshuffling of the Council of Ministers; as this is a direct continuation of my own policy proposals, he will begin laying down the groundwork for giving OGAS a clear chance to act. Glushkov is well respected and will make for a good successor to the Stalinist Garbuzov.
[X] Plan Bread & Roses v2
[X] You're inclined to agree on the matter; nuclear weapons are a threat to the very essence of humanity itself. However, you have no intention of lowering the amount of nuclear reactors or Soviet exploration of potential uses in nuclear energy.
[X] The matter of Vietnam is at it's very essence, humanitarian. The conflict has encouraged devastation and set a bad precedent for world peace. We expect the United States to pull out, but we will support our communist allies.
And after Cuba we honestly don't have to budge here. South Vietnam is the artificial construct without popular legitimacy.
[X] Plan Bread & Roses v2
[X] You're inclined to agree on the matter; nuclear weapons are a threat to the very essence of humanity itself. However, you have no intention of lowering the amount of nuclear reactors or Soviet exploration of potential uses in nuclear energy.
[X] The matter of Vietnam is at it's very essence, humanitarian. The conflict has encouraged devastation and set a bad precedent for world peace. We expect the United States to pull out, but we will support our communist allies.
Our credibility in the developing world is also incredibly important for us. Vietnam is not merely a chess piece we can negotiate away for better US relations. Supporting our Vietnamese allies is the right thing to do.
And after Cuba we honestly don't have to budge here. South Vietnam is the artificial construct without popular legitimacy.
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[X] You're inclined to agree on the matter; nuclear weapons are a threat to the very essence of humanity itself. However, you have no intention of lowering the amount of nuclear reactors or Soviet exploration of potential uses in nuclear energy.
[X] The matter of Vietnam is at it's very essence, humanitarian. The conflict has encouraged devastation and set a bad precedent for world peace. We expect the United States to pull out, but we will support our communist allies.
[X] The matter of Vietnam is at it's very essence, humanitarian. The conflict has encouraged devastation and set a bad precedent for world peace. We expect the United States to pull out, but we will support our communist allies.
Assuming the US fully pulls out, yeah. Vietnamization didn't let our army begin to stand on it's own two feet even after the US fully withdrew in the 70s since we were so reliant on American artillery and aerial support, so a 60s withdrawl before it even starts would be hectic. Of course, there's the issue that that also included Soviet equipment being shipped to the PAVN in the same amount of time, but I'm gonna guess that Wallace didn't call Mao, so China can act as a kind of loophope regarding socialist aid to the North.
Edit: Of course, the ARVN was no slouch, it had teeth and showed it during Tet, it's just that they're probably going to lose in the end unless they get their head of their asses.
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[X] I will offer my unconditional support for Lomako to begin his removals and reshuffling of the Council of Ministers; as this is a direct continuation of my own policy proposals, he will begin laying down the groundwork for giving OGAS a clear chance to act. Glushkov is well respected and will make for a good successor to the Stalinist Garbuzov.
[X] Plan Bread & Roses v2
[X] You're inclined to agree on the matter; nuclear weapons are a threat to the very essence of humanity itself. However, you have no intention of lowering the amount of nuclear reactors or Soviet exploration of potential uses in nuclear energy.
[X] The matter of Vietnam is at it's very essence, humanitarian. The conflict has encouraged devastation and set a bad precedent for world peace. We expect the United States to pull out, but we will support our communist allies.
[X] Plan Bread & Roses v2
[X] You're inclined to agree on the matter; nuclear weapons are a threat to the very essence of humanity itself. However, you have no intention of lowering the amount of nuclear reactors or Soviet exploration of potential uses in nuclear energy.
[X] The matter of Vietnam is at it's very essence, humanitarian. The conflict has encouraged devastation and set a bad precedent for world peace. We expect the United States to pull out, but we will support our communist allies.
[X] Conditional support will be given to the major reshuffling of the Finance Ministry, Gosplan and TsSU; to avoid directly slighting those involved in that sector (Kirilenko, Shelepin and Semichastny), the cut-downs won't be as severe for the time being. Garbuzov won't be removed yet, but he'll be slowly pushed out.
[X] Plan Bread & Roses v2
[X] You're inclined to agree on the matter; nuclear weapons are a threat to the very essence of humanity itself. However, you have no intention of lowering the amount of nuclear reactors or Soviet exploration of potential uses in nuclear energy.
[X] Vietnam is a form of political suicide for the left-wing of the West in that support for it will always see our allies suppressed in elections and social movement. If the United States pulls out, then we pull out.
[X] Plan Bread & Roses v2
[X] You're inclined to agree on the matter; nuclear weapons are a threat to the very essence of humanity itself. However, you have no intention of lowering the amount of nuclear reactors or Soviet exploration of potential uses in nuclear energy.
[X] Vietnam is a form of political suicide for the left-wing of the West in that support for it will always see our allies suppressed in elections and social movement. If the United States pulls out, then we pull out.
[X] You're inclined to agree on the matter; nuclear weapons are a threat to the very essence of humanity itself. However, you have no intention of lowering the amount of nuclear reactors or Soviet exploration of potential uses in nuclear energy.
[X] At this very moment the only way the Soviet Union will cease direct support is on the dismantlement of the south Vietnamese fascist regime.
[X] At this very moment the only way the Soviet Union will cease direct support is on the dismantlement of the south Vietnamese fascist regime.
Regency
PFP by vanathema (previously yubishines)
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- Morioh Town, Mt. Ebbot
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[X] Conditional support will be given to the major reshuffling of the Finance Ministry, Gosplan and TsSU; to avoid directly slighting those involved in that sector (Kirilenko, Shelepin and Semichastny), the cut-downs won't be as severe for the time being. Garbuzov won't be removed yet, but he'll be slowly pushed out.
[X] Plan Bread & Roses v2
[X] You're inclined to agree on the matter; nuclear weapons are a threat to the very essence of humanity itself. However, you have no intention of lowering the amount of nuclear reactors or Soviet exploration of potential uses in nuclear energy.
[X] The matter of Vietnam is at it's very essence, humanitarian. The conflict has encouraged devastation and set a bad precedent for world peace. We expect the United States to pull out, but we will support our communist allies.
I'm disinclined, on principle, to pull support from a left-wing national liberation movements in favor of us
Edit: @Karen May I ask how does this stance differ from the one aiming for support until South Vietnam got eaten?
Edit2: I kinda assumed it's less...military focused based on the phrasing? But idk.
[X] Plan Bread & Roses v2
[X] You're inclined to agree on the matter; nuclear weapons are a threat to the very essence of humanity itself. However, you have no intention of lowering the amount of nuclear reactors or Soviet exploration of potential uses in nuclear energy.
[X] The matter of Vietnam is at it's very essence, humanitarian. The conflict has encouraged devastation and set a bad precedent for world peace. We expect the United States to pull out, but we will support our communist allies.
I'm disinclined, on principle, to pull support from a left-wing national liberation movements in favor of us
Edit: @Karen May I ask how does this stance differ from the one aiming for support until South Vietnam got eaten?
Edit2: I kinda assumed it's less...military focused based on the phrasing? But idk.
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Karen
Contemplating a blank canvas.
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- Ireland
You're making an excuse for Red Imperialism.
/s
(It's not as militant.)
Comrade Future
Man from Zeerust
- Location
- USSR
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- He/His/Him
[X] Agree, but establish that the United States and by extent the West has to initiate disarmament first to allow tensions to cool after Cuba.
[X] The matter of Vietnam is at it's very essence, humanitarian. The conflict has encouraged devastation and set a bad precedent for world peace. We expect the United States to pull out, but we will support our communist allies.
[X] The matter of Vietnam is at it's very essence, humanitarian. The conflict has encouraged devastation and set a bad precedent for world peace. We expect the United States to pull out, but we will support our communist allies.
Comrade Future
Man from Zeerust
- Location
- USSR
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- He/His/Him
My question is - do events outside the USSR depend on the roll of the die? Or do you define it differently?
Karen
Contemplating a blank canvas.
- Location
- Ireland
I'm going to twist and change some things to make it more interesting. Can't have you 4D chess-ing out everything.
- Location
- Reno
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- They/Them
[X] I will offer my unconditional support for Lomako to begin his removals and reshuffling of the Council of Ministers; as this is a direct continuation of my own policy proposals, he will begin laying down the groundwork for giving OGAS a clear chance to act. Glushkov is well respected and will make for a good successor to the Stalinist Garbuzov.
[X] Plan Bread & Roses v2
[X] You're inclined to agree on the matter; nuclear weapons are a threat to the very essence of humanity itself. However, you have no intention of lowering the amount of nuclear reactors or Soviet exploration of potential uses in nuclear energy.
[X] The matter of Vietnam is at it's very essence, humanitarian. The conflict has encouraged devastation and set a bad precedent for world peace. We expect the United States to pull out, but we will support our communist allies.
[X] Plan Bread & Roses v2
[X] You're inclined to agree on the matter; nuclear weapons are a threat to the very essence of humanity itself. However, you have no intention of lowering the amount of nuclear reactors or Soviet exploration of potential uses in nuclear energy.
[X] The matter of Vietnam is at it's very essence, humanitarian. The conflict has encouraged devastation and set a bad precedent for world peace. We expect the United States to pull out, but we will support our communist allies.
Spylobster
Centrist-Malenyevist
[X] Plan Bread & Roses v2
[X] You're inclined to agree on the matter; nuclear weapons are a threat to the very essence of humanity itself. However, you have no intention of lowering the amount of nuclear reactors or Soviet exploration of potential uses in nuclear energy.
[X] The matter of Vietnam is at it's very essence, humanitarian. The conflict has encouraged devastation and set a bad precedent for world peace. We expect the United States to pull out, but we will support our communist allies.
[X] You're inclined to agree on the matter; nuclear weapons are a threat to the very essence of humanity itself. However, you have no intention of lowering the amount of nuclear reactors or Soviet exploration of potential uses in nuclear energy.
[X] The matter of Vietnam is at it's very essence, humanitarian. The conflict has encouraged devastation and set a bad precedent for world peace. We expect the United States to pull out, but we will support our communist allies.
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- She/Her
[X] You're inclined to agree on the matter; nuclear weapons are a threat to the very essence of humanity itself. However, you have no intention of lowering the amount of nuclear reactors or Soviet exploration of potential uses in nuclear energy.
[X] The matter of Vietnam is at it's very essence, humanitarian. The conflict has encouraged devastation and set a bad precedent for world peace. We expect the United States to pull out, but we will support our communist allies.
Given they have a massive advantage in nuclear weapons then we should agree to this in principle at least.
Just be ready to rearm at a moments notice, because I can't imagine the US foreign policy and military establishment will want to take this lying down.
[X] The matter of Vietnam is at it's very essence, humanitarian. The conflict has encouraged devastation and set a bad precedent for world peace. We expect the United States to pull out, but we will support our communist allies.
Given they have a massive advantage in nuclear weapons then we should agree to this in principle at least.
Just be ready to rearm at a moments notice, because I can't imagine the US foreign policy and military establishment will want to take this lying down.
They don't though, the missile gap was always a lie.