Wormverse ideas, recs, and fic discussion thread 1

We've seen several cyborgs who could easily have implanted flamethrowers, the Lunarian tribe has a racial feat allowing for Fire manipulation, Sanji can super-heat his legs to light people on fire with his Diable Jambe kick, and the guy in Don Kris's crew Pearl can light himself on fire and throw fireballs around.
And even earlier than any of that, Cabaji from Buggy's crew has an unexplained circus trick that lets him breath fire.
 
There's a bunch of nameless and/or crazy abilities that don't fit into the known limits of either category, too.

We've seen several cyborgs who could easily have implanted flamethrowers—
And characters would call them Devil Fruit users, citation chapter 336, there's a reason I keep citing that specific chapter.
Cyborgs, like haki, are not common knowledge. Someone familiar with Franky might assume Spitfire was a cyborg, but that's clearly not the first thing that comes to people's minds when they see someone breathe fire.
 
And characters would call them Devil Fruit users, citation chapter 336, there's a reason I keep citing that specific chapter.
Except that this is the characters acting dumb, so I have no idea why you keep mentioning it?
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Know how I mentioned Cabaji earlier, and how he can also breathe fire for an unexplained reason?
Nami and Luffy both know about that and neither thought it was a Devil fruit when they found out, why would this specific time be any different? Plot. Purely to build dramatic tension over what kind of powers Franky has.
 
Except that this is the characters acting dumb, so I have no idea why you keep mentioning it?
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Know how I mentioned Cabaji earlier, and how he can also breathe fire for an unexplained reason?
Nami and Luffy both know about that and neither thought it was a Devil fruit when they found out, why would this specific time be any different? Plot. Purely to build dramatic tension over what kind of powers Franky has.
I agree that the reason Oda wrote the characters saying that is to build dramatic tension over Franky's powers, but One Piece isn't Thursday Next. The characters also have their own reasons for saying the things that they say.

If it was just Luffy guessing that Franky had a Devil Fruit, or just Luffy and Chopper, I could accept the "they're just acting dumb" excuse. But it's Luffy and Nami, the Straw Hat who most commonly uses her common sense. Nami thinks that Franky's fire breath indicates that he probably has a Devil Fruit, and no one else contradicts her, like they do when Nami's greed or other flaws make her drop the Anti-Idiot Ball. In fact, they usually do that when one of the crew's many fools says something foolish, too.

So everything in the text points to "Someone who breathes fire probably has a Devil Fruit" being a perfectly reasonable thing to believe. Your arguments against this being the case are pointing to a different situation and pretending it's the same, then assuming you can ignore the text because you can guess why the author wrote it this way. Cabaji's comparability to Franky is suspect,* and without that you only have a set of excuses for why you can ignore Chapter 336.

Arguments based on reasons to ignore the text are not solid analysis. They're not even bad analysis. They're anti-analysis, arguments for why you don't need to pay attention to what the text actually says.


*Buggy is one of the most infamous pirates in the East Blue, and one who Nami previously robbed. It's entirely plausible that she'd have either researched or interacted with them enough to know the Buggy Pirates only had the one Devil Fruit user.
Also, no one in the crew expresses interest in trying to figure out how Cabaji can do things. Maybe they did initially assume he had a Devil Fruit and just didn't say it out loud.
Though if they did make that assumption, it wouldn't last. Cabaji breathes fire at the start of a series of other circus tricks, and they can't all be Devil Fruit powers. Grab-bag fruits aren't really a thing.
 
It's mainly for him to avoid Jack Slash shard bullshit if he ever encounters the man.
Just have him not encounter Jack Slash. There's no need to make something completely alien to the setting just to help him in one specific, niche scenario. If his power not being from a shard isn't going to be significant or plot relevant, then I personally don't think you need to do that. It would make more sense for it to just be a regular power.
 
It's mainly for him to avoid Jack Slash shard bullshit if he ever encounters the man.
Just have him not encounter Jack Slash. There's no need to make something completely alien to the setting just to help him in one specific, niche scenario. If his power not being from a shard isn't going to be significant or plot relevant, then I personally don't think you need to do that. It would make more sense for it to just be a regular power.
There are multiple levels of weird writing choices going on here.

There's the bit Lokimotion pointed out, where lore is rewritten so that the main character doesn't have to worry about a specific problem in a specific scenario that the author could more easily avoid by just not writing the character in that situation. It almost feels like the author is subconsciously relinquishing authority over what happens in their own story.

There's also the implicit assumption that Greg being affected by Jack Slash's shard bullshit is undesirable. Without that "secondary" power, Jack is just some dude with an inconvenient gun. Sure, dealing with the rest of the Nine is still tricky, but that's roughly as true regardless of whether Jack's shard bullshit is in play.

It's especially bizarre because that bullshit is...kinda central to who/what Jack Slash is? artbyblastweave says it better, but Jack is in part meta-commentary about Joker-style villains, who have no powers of note but somehow wreak havoc in a world full of heroes who should be able to squash them flat. Without a helping hand from shard bullshit, he wouldn't be able to operate, just like how Cauldron couldn't operate if it didn't have a handful of parahumans with powers extremely useful for running an Illuminati with maybe half a dozen members.

There's not much to Jack Slash if you take away his shard bullshit. So either don't include him or include his shard bullshit. Why would you want the middle ground?
 
So I have a question about my Worm/One Piece/Multi fandom fusion fic, and this one goes to @Obloquy.

I recently read your criticism of my story Lightning Bug. (I was afraid to read criticism then, especially since it was one of my first time writing and publishing something) And you seem to know your stuff so I wanted to ask...

Do you, or anyone else, such as @brer rabbit or @GreatWyrmGold think it'd be in character if Izuku hated Joey?

I know Joey would hate him, no doubt, (he hates nice people) but would Izuku hate him? I admit, I want him too because I feel as if Izuku isn't interesting until the Dark Hero Arc where his flaws and trauma are explored. (where everyone ironically thinks the opposite and thinks he's interesting until the Dark Hero Arc) I also don't want to make Izuku a doormat with fellow marine Joey, cause Joey would be an asshole to him, if Izuku does nothing, well, the whole reason people hate Bakugo I believe is because the characters like him. If the characters criticized him more, argued with him more, hated him more, and didn't constantly say he was their friend.

Basically, if Deku admired Bakugo, but hated him. Bakugo might not have any critics.

I could have Taylor and Ruby and other characters hate him. But if he mainly harasses Izuku, Izuku should hate him, right? From a good writing perspective at least, but if there's anything I learned from writing fanfics is that it's an adaptation, and if you mess up accuracy in an adaptation, that no one had any problems with, you will lose readers.

Characters can grow to have a life of there own, and if you mind control them to do there own things. PEOPLE WILL NOTICE.

Even expanding on something is dangerous if you don't remember a good deal of something from a character's personality, backstory, philosophy, and all of that shit. One man's expanding is another man's changing. I learned that the hard way.

Here's Ultimate's character outline, including his need, wants, fear, wound, misbelief, theme, and a bunch of other things.




Ultimate


Ultimate is what happens when a villain tries to become a hero. Once a normal boy named Joseph James, his life changed as he entered his teen years. As a child, he was raised in poverty, and because of his past, He became a villain called Prince with a massive attention complex, a need for greed, and a lust for power.

He was a villain at the low age of fourteen. to support himself and his mother, studying technology and training his body to extreme levels allowing him to sense where things were thanks to his Ki to become a tech-based villain in a suit of armor called Prince. Upon battling Jenny's favorite hero, Picture Perfect, and killing her, he became a state-wide concern for being a hero killer, and had to fight a bird-themed villain, Shrike. (Who was particularly angry his arch nemesis was killed by anyone not him) and his mother was killed by the Shrike. After he killed the Shrike, he sent the corpse to the heroes with a note saying he was done being a villain. After a rival hero found him and called him a liar. He became a hero out of spite, named Ultimate. Upon finding he got more of what he wanted as a hero than he ever did as a villain, he decided to stay as the hero Ultimate.

Ultimate craved fame and fortune and now feels becoming a hero would be the best way to get it. So now, he tries to use his newly gained abilities to gain prestige & popularity. Not through hard work, mind you, but through trickery and schemes.

Sporting plain black spandex and welding goggles, he travels throughout the city of Cityville to find villains to beat, and become the most popular hero there ever was. He will do this by employing complex, yet simple, smart, yet short-sighted, and horrible, yet horrible plans. Ones that are over the top and evil. He lives his life like it's a story and will say dark things from time to time, as he is the joke most of the time. Though he's not always angry and upset, he is a good amount of the time because of his fragile ego. He has a softer side to him. One that cares for the oppressed and children. He can be kind yet cruel, prideful, yet insecure.

Greedy, power-hungry, skeevy, selfish, spiteful, cowardly, incompetent, and incredibly arrogant, Ultimate will do anything to become the best, most popular, number one hero of all time. And WILL use assault, torture, murder, or sadistic schemes to get what he wants.

Likes: Playing guitar, fighting, martial arts, technology, quantum physics, D&D, money, power, attention, math, violence, girls, Jenny, Busta, Prince, (The singer) Danny Sexbang, TV Tropes, Death Battles, RWBY, Badass weapons, training, being shitty, Paradise Lost, and kids.

Dislikes: Reading, books, Classic movies, Like Casablanca, and The Godfather, peace, history, giving up money, fame, or power, stupid people, weaklings, extras, Birds, Picture, the Shrike, privileged people, paragons, Timmy, and disrespect.

The intent is to make you laugh at him.
The premise is what if a supervillain tried to be a hero and kept failing?
His theme is insecurity.
His function is to act as an unsympathetic comedic protagonist.
The execution will be to have him screw over hero and villain alike.

He wants to become the top hero.
His need is to learn empathy.
His Duty? Himself.
His Expectation from others is to be a jackass.
His fear? Not measuring up.
His wound is his abuse.

His stakes are his place in the world.
His misbelief (Fatal Flaw) is that he more important than everyone else.
His view of the (related to his moral need) world that its cruel.
His view of himself (related to his psychological need) is that he's the main character. The central protagonist. The most important one in the room.



So what do you think? Should I have it so that Izuku hates him? Or find another way to make it work?
 
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Do you, or anyone else, such as @brer rabbit or @GreatWyrmGold think it'd be in character if Izuku hated Joey?
Izuku is not the type to quickly or casually hate people, but I believe it would eventually come as Joey showed more of his true character.

I'm more interested in where Taylor would fall on this, since Joey is like a dark mirror to her.

She'd probably clock onto Joey more quickly and it'd be interesting as she tried to get Izuku to see the truth, and Izuku slowly did.

At the same time, I feel like Izuku would also want to save Joey from himself, even as he hated Joey's actions.

Taylor might kill Joey before he got the chance, though. And it sounds like Joey might have it coming.
 
Izuku is not the type to quickly or casually hate people, but I believe it would eventually come as Joey showed more of his true character.

I'm more interested in where Taylor would fall on this, since Joey is like a dark mirror to her.

She'd probably clock onto Joey more quickly and it'd be interesting as she tried to get Izuku to see the truth, and Izuku slowly did.

At the same time, I feel like Izuku would also want to save Joey from himself, even as he hated Joey's actions.

Taylor might kill Joey before he got the chance, though. And it sounds like Joey might have it coming.

I'm glad you think that about Taylor and Joey, because honestly, I generally thought Taylor actions make sense, if they are immoral, she's still trying help people, however, both without hurting anyone, and sometimes by hurting (even indirectly killing) people. So I always saw Taylor as a hero trying to be a villain. Trying to stay powerful and over-topple systems while helping people because she can't help herself.

So Joey and Taylor would have interesting interactions I feel.

Also, Joey is as skilled and strong as Bakugo, do think it's possible Izuku would admire him first, or nah?
 
I could have Taylor and Ruby and other characters hate him. But if he mainly harasses Izuku, Izuku should hate him, right? From a good writing perspective at least—
I don't think it's bad writing for Izuku to not hate someone who harasses him. He remembers being friends with Kacchan when they were little, and he doesn't have any other friends between preschool and high school; Izuku probably sees Bakugo as the closest thing he has to a friend, and probably wants to reforge their friendship. In the real world, abusive relationships have been founded on less, with the abused partner investing more and facing worse abuse.
(Yeah, Bakugo regularly threatens physical violence and told Izuku to kill himself once. Abusive relationships can get so much worse than that.)

Izuku has developed sudden and extreme hatred for villains who do dickish things, so it's entirely plausible that he'd hate Joey for harassing him. It depends on the relationship he thinks they have. If he thinks of Joey as just some guy before he starts being a dick, Izuku would probably dislike Joey. But if he thinks of Joey as a friend, he'll probably make excuses for Joey's behavior.

And that's not automatically bad writing. I have my criticisms of how Izuku is written (some of which are meshed pretty heavily with criticisms of MHA's general plot structure and themes and such), but how he handles Bakugo is not one of them.

He became a hero out of spite, named Ultimate. Upon finding he got more of what he wanted as a hero than he ever did as a villain, he decided to stay as the hero Ultimate.
This seems like a solid elevator pitch for Ultimate. Aside from that, combining "ki sense" and "high-tech gizmos" works better if he's in a superhero universe where other low-tier capes combine multiple power sources.

Joey is Ultimate, whose profile is up above.
So that's why I can't remember a "Joey" in One Piece. And why you gave Ultimate a profile in that post.

Putting aside questions of how you incorporate Ultimate into One Piece's world...between him, Taylor, and Ruby, he seems like the one Izuku is most likely to change his mind about after interacting with him for a while. Ruby wears her heart on her sleeve, to the extent of her ability to express her emotions. Taylor's more reserved and distrustful, more likely to outright lie, but her personas mostly emphasize different aspects of a consistent core rather than acting completely different.

Joey, not so much. Taylor will act like something she's not if it serves her goal (intimidation or being ignored, mostly); Ruby mostly doesn't try. But Joey considers acting like something he's not to be a goal in and of itself, whether he's acting like a hero to get rich and famous or acting like a big shot to feel important.
He makes me think of Alec, capricious and mercurial. He's a dick to enemies, yet a fun friend. He tries to act strong and scary, and he's just plain mean when you crack that persona, but when he lets his hair down he's just a silly little guy.

If you want Izuku to start out opposed to the Ruby/Taylor/Joey pirates, but join them later, it makes sense to give Izuku some reason to dislike Joey, and also make him the leader of that pirate band. (Maybe call them the Ultimate Pirates?) Which kinda makes sense—if he started villainy at 14 and had both a villain career and a nascent hero career, he's probably older than Ruby and maybe Taylor too. And he's the only one who'd really want to be leader, despite Ruby and Taylor being better at leadership (in their own ways).
 
Izuku has developed sudden and extreme hatred for villains who do dickish things, so it's entirely plausible that he'd hate Joey for harassing him.
I mean, there's is a difference between hating villain who torture and kill children, (something Ultimate would never do) and someone stealing, killing an enemy, or just being a prick. But considering what you said about it's dependent based on how Izuku would see him before they meet. I also generally agree with that.

This seems like a solid elevator pitch for Ultimate. Aside from that, combining "ki sense" and "high-tech gizmos" works better if he's in a superhero universe where other low-tier capes combine multiple power sources.

This outline was originally from a story where he's a superhero, (a blind one at that) but I'll think of a way to incorporate it to the fusion fic.

He makes me think of Alec, capricious and mercurial. He's a dick to enemies, yet a fun friend. He tries to act strong and scary, and he's just plain mean when you crack that persona, but when he lets his hair down he's just a silly little guy.

You almost make him sound like Deadpool with the last part. Which is a comparison is have gotten a lot of, lol.

It also sound pretty accurate to him. I mean, he's not super goofy. But in my original story (at least the rewrites) I have do things such as helping with orphans for free, and giving food to the homeless.

If you want Izuku to start out opposed to the Ruby/Taylor/Joey pirate

I have it so that they're marines now, instead of pirates.

if he started villainy at 14 and had both a villain career and a nascent hero career, he's probably older than Ruby and maybe Taylor too.
He's actually only fifteen, so the same age that two girls going to be.

Unless they can't become marines at that age, but if I could recall, the kid from the begging of One Piece was training to become one, so no reason why I can't do that here.
 
I mean, there's is a difference between hating villain who torture and kill children, (something Ultimate would never do) and someone stealing, killing an enemy, or just being a prick.
Yeah...despite how the League of Villains was initially framed, MHA doesn't have a lot of range between "monsters in human flesh" and "unusually mean bullies".
 
Idea for a Lisa centric Lost crossover (as In the 2000s mystery box island drama show) wanted opinions/critique

So this specific idea came to my mind maybe about 5 minutes ago, but I've played around with the idea of doing a lost Oc insert canon divergence fic for years, but the idea to cross it over with worm just came to mind. At first I considered Taylor but then I thought about Lisa, and I feel she'd be a better fit.

The context I was thinking would be that Lisa got stranded on another unknown earth this earth shards and stuff are very much rare and not really known at all by the public eye. Anyways was thinking either just the local cauldron or maybe even contessa directly arranges tickets and tells Lisa to board a flight to Australia to get in contact with a cauldron chapter directly so they can get her back to their earth which not sure if I wanna do work or ward era Lisa for this.

Anyways needless to say the flight she gets on is of course the infamous flight that crashes on the island in lost oceanic flight 218 if I recall (havnt watched the show for years so might need to refresh myself a bit)


In the context of the fic I figured this could sort of be a direct parallel to what happened with Claire from lost where it seemed that the fortune teller told her to the island cause he knew it would crash .

Lisa has some choice words to offer cauldron and contessa in her mind making this revelation



But anyways given Lisa's experience and power and just natural and power based intuition. She quickly makes a bit of an impression on the crash landers of lost.

Was thinking she would make a particularly good impression on characters like Sun, Jin and Sayid. Kate and sawyer would kind of recognize some inherent similarity to them within her and get kind of a bit scared/suspicious atleast at first. I'd say sawyer would be more open with Lisa than Kate would be for awhile. But they both kind of feel a bit uneasy and unsure about her, they do have a bit of a kindred sense with her but their suspicion outweighs that.

I honestly haven't figured out how all the character dynamics will work. This is just the initial ideas.

But I was thinking this fic could be the perfect oppurtunity to explore some of the more mysterious scifi/fantasy plots that were abandoned. Such as Walt who clearly had some power and even in canon parts of the side content of the show this is shown. Yet they abandon Walt's plot line.

And this brings me back to what I said earlier about my plan was for the world of lost to have shards but a lesser amount and them not be as much in the public eye. I think this would be a good way to keep interest for the cross from both worm and lost fans and also I think the way powers and shards work and what they are connected to works well. With some of the mysteries in lost. Like idk all the weird dharma initiative stuff could have some tinker tech, characters like Walt and eloise and such could be examples of master/stranger, precogs,

Of course the thing I'm more interested in is just kind of having Lisa and the lost crew interact and have some interesting canon divergences (like perhaps Lisa's able to root out Ethan much earlier than the lost characters were, or change the fate of some characters.) I've written crossovers that become canon divergent overtime and I like to go at it with a domino effect philosophy at first obviously a lot of the same things will occur but once things start changing more and more will be different.

Basically just wondering peoples thoughts on this crossover and if the lead up (with Lisa on a alt earth where shards are less common being told to meet with cauldron via taking a specific flight to avoid capes being detected) and then getting thrown into the lost island antics seems like a realistic buildup. Or if it'd be better if I just like had her be sent their randomly. And not already be on the earth?

Also wondering about if my ideas of how to kind of connect the settings and also expand upon some underexplaimed /unfinished plots sounds? And if Lisa working with the others seems realistic or if she'd more likely kind of go her own way trying to get off (I was planning on doing a mix not have her purely just work with the others) but I also felt with time some of the passengers would grow on her especially kids like Walt who were clearly a recently triggered cape that had little grasp or understanding of his powers and everyone else was clueless of it, I suspect this might remind her of the undersides and maybe even Taylor specifically or her older brother)

But again I just came up with these ideas not too long ago and the whole dynamic of interaction hasn't been figured out (I find it's easier for me to figure it out once I get to writing it)
 
Been a while since I've cross-posted an idea from Wormblr.
lakesbian said:
i will say it always fucking kills me when coil is trying to do his cool little Power Reveal via the coins & slick villain boss monologue about his plans. because he's performing the entire thing in front of [snip]. the only way the crowd could get any worse for him is if there were just straight up five rachels in the vehicle
hugintheraven said:
He's just lucky he gave this speech before Aisha triggered. He's barely keeping it functional with 5 teenagers in the car, no way he manages with 6.
lakesbian said:
if aisha were there it would be unfathomable amounts of over for his cool factor attempt. because first of all aisha would be there. and second of all alec would have increased joie de vivre to do cinemasins with
One-shot idea: Imp triggers right before the Forsberg Gallery job, Coil decided to roll with it, and massively underestimates how much her presence twists the group dynamic. There's what Lakesbian said, Rachel would be shorter-tempered than usual, Brian's too busy wrangling his sister to appreciate Coil's presentation, and Lisa is still getting used to how being a supervillain affects Aisha's demeanor, so she's not gonna be much help.
 
Hey guys, just letting you know I'm not writing the one piece crossover anymore, I'm not writing anything anymore.

I'm dealing with some mental health issues. And writing isn't helping. So I'm just gonna quit.
 
One-shot idea: Imp triggers right before the Forsberg Gallery job, Coil decided to roll with it, and massively underestimates how much her presence twists the group dynamic. There's what Lakesbian said, Rachel would be shorter-tempered than usual, Brian's too busy wrangling his sister to appreciate Coil's presentation, and Lisa is still getting used to how being a supervillain affects Aisha's demeanor, so she's not gonna be much help.

Taylor: I think your coin trick is very good. I like it.
Coil: Don't patronize me.
 
Hey guys, just letting you know I'm not writing the one piece crossover anymore, I'm not writing anything anymore.

I'm dealing with some mental health issues. And writing isn't helping. So I'm just gonna quit.
Best wishes, and feel free to PM me if you want to talk and bounce around ideas. But take care of yourself, and best wishes.
 
Best wishes, and feel free to PM me if you want to talk and bounce around ideas. But take care of yourself, and best wishes.
Not sure I see the point of that since I decided to stop writing. (Who knows? Maybe in the future if I ever get better I'll inspration again, but I doubt it.) Unless you think throwing around ideas will give me inspiration.

Thanks for the offer anyway.
 
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