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So we've had multiple threads on here about Warhammer 40K's politics and their problematic aspects. But I'm getting into WoD now and I have little knowledge of the fandom's views and opinions and how those views and opinions line up with the work.
So, posters of SV: how do you feel about the various settings and factions? I swear Bloodlines' Damsel could be a poster on here.
I also read this poster earlier elsewhere when discussing CoD:
So, posters of SV: how do you feel about the various settings and factions? I swear Bloodlines' Damsel could be a poster on here.
I also read this poster earlier elsewhere when discussing CoD:
Maybe they were well written there, but I'm mostly familiar with their writing and characterization from 1st edition, where they were a bunch of imagery and language lifted from revolutionary movements applied to vampire society, but much too literally and with little thought as to how a revolution in a small, essentially parasitical society of paranoid humans would differ from real revolutions that shook entire societies.
Vampires can't really form mobs or march in the streets like they are described as doing because there just aren't enough of them. They could at best form paramilitary style assassination squads. Vampires couldn't really invoke the same kind of paranoia of your surrounding citizens like as described in Carthian cities, because most o the surrounding people are food, not peers.
I think one of the Carthians problems, and again the writing may have gotten much better in Secrets if the Covenants, is that they are written as if vampire society and human society are more comparable than they are. The authors want you to equate them to real revolutionaries and ask questions like: "They are improving society, but at what cost? Are they becoming the REAL monsters?"
And like... no. The society they are reforming is pretty much antithetical to peaceful and healthy human existence. Why the fuck would I ever think of them as the good guys especially when you keep insisting that all vampire covenants are pretty much evil? The authors use every cliche and trope relating to revolutions, reformers, leftists, and fascists that it all just becomes an incoherent mess.
If they wanted cool, rebel good guy vampires who don't kill people and who relate to real political positions like the Anarchs, they should have just made them that. If they wanted superficially human-friendly but ultimately inhuman reformers seeking to more efficiently use the means of production that are humanity they should have done that. As it is they've done both and it's just a mess.
I might make a post about how I would change them if I were to use them in a game again later.