Do they even have fortresses? I was under the impression they were living in caves and hollowed out mountains. The problem with invading Storm Country that it's a large territory and their settlements are likely to be indistinguishable from the surrounding wilderness. We could probably beat them in a direct confrontation but we'd have great difficulty finding them in the first place. We'd have to comb the entire countryside to be sure we didn't miss any large settlements with them waging guerrilla warfare to wear us down as we searched. It'd be like Vietnam but in a different climate. It would be long, expensive, and take an absurd amount of man power to pacify that region. Not saying we shouldn't do it but it would be a several turns long commitment. I think we should build up our economy and strengthen ties with Equestria before we attempt such a campaign.
Who Needs Harmony?: An MLP Empire Quest
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MrRobot
In doubt there's always the Sun!
The grifin expedition rescued the equestrians into a open pit mine, this implylies that at least some of their infrastructure is above ground. It also implies that they dont have the mining know how to actualy dig undercities like the diamond dogs. Storm also have litle to no vegetation die being a ice storm all the time.
If we have a clear skys rune we can scout out a lot and identify their mines, active volcanoes (possibly location of the forges) also should be easy to note. The only treat in the skyes would be the weverns but these are few and faar between.
I aginst having equestrian help because the olicraucum mines would be a point of contention, if we want to help we should ask the yaks outside of oricalcrum and maybe jewels most of storm mineral bounty is not worty the hassle for us but the yaks would love mine of their own.
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Markala
Hannor & Polycho Shipper
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- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
...I know dude -_-
I was just making a joke about how raw links automatically name themselves the thread title.
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ya know if we do ever mange to understand runes enough that we can make gems than can absorb ambient magic to recharge said gem than maybe we could make Laser guns
If you're right that they can be spotted from the air then a campaign to pacify Storm Country is far more feasible. Still think we should take a few turns to boost our economy first. We also should see if we can the Yaks to help conquer the territory because it is a LOT of ground to cover and we risk spreading our forces too thin if we do it alone..
MrRobot
In doubt there's always the Sun!
Yeah it possible but why?
Rule of cool aside? It dont realy have a niche in ours warfare theater, assuming it wont be hideously expensive.
Yeah im not voting to rush another war ocupying storm is also beter to leave to the yaks, i trust Rutherford but having his country sandwiched between 2 Imperial territory's would strain our relations
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- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
I do believe we should hold on fully dealing with the Yeti situation (though recon probably wouldn't be too much), but I simply must protest the thought of letting someone else have the territory.
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Maybe because it is full orichalcum mines?
MrRobot
In doubt there's always the Sun!
I just say assuming we get the mining rights...
I think it would help if we sought the Yaks aid in conquering Storm Country in return for part of it. Even if they refused, us asking them for help shows that we still think of them as trusted allies and that they are not so far behind us that they have nothing to offer. I think many of them would feel reassured to know that we still consider them our peers instead of our inferiors.
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- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
Yeah no. Everything about this post is a non-starter for me. I'm definitely not gonna vote for something like that willingly.
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Honestly I don't understand the drive for territorial expansion. Sure Storm Country is a threat but I see little reason for us to conquer it directly even if it moves to attack. In the event of an attack, it will likely face a coalition of nations opposed to it, Yaks, Griffins, and likely Equestria. It will lose and we get a post-war summit.
Even in the aftermath of there being no friendly or Yeti Successor state, I don't think there is much of an appetite for colonialism or even a protectorate that far away, and I doubt the Yaks or Equestria would want to either. After all remember that Luna and Celestia's solution for the Crystal Empire was to lock it away for 1000 years.
This doesn't necessarily apply to Maretonia discussions though. Since at this point the Crystal Empire will just become part of the Gryphus Empire when the referendum happens, which means we'd have a contiguous connection to Northern Maretonia.
If there is one thing this quest has shown, we aren't conquerors, we are liberators and nationbuilders.
Even in the aftermath of there being no friendly or Yeti Successor state, I don't think there is much of an appetite for colonialism or even a protectorate that far away, and I doubt the Yaks or Equestria would want to either. After all remember that Luna and Celestia's solution for the Crystal Empire was to lock it away for 1000 years.
This doesn't necessarily apply to Maretonia discussions though. Since at this point the Crystal Empire will just become part of the Gryphus Empire when the referendum happens, which means we'd have a contiguous connection to Northern Maretonia.
If there is one thing this quest has shown, we aren't conquerors, we are liberators and nationbuilders.
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How about we help make a good successor country through our spy's and keep a good relation with the new storm country instead of conquering it
I'n not gonna comment on anything else on this post, but it wasn't the Sisters that locked away the Empire - Sombra pulled a "If I can't have them, no one will!" on them when he was originally defeated in canon-events.
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wait are we going to pull a Europe and split storm country?
Is Grphyus, Equestria And Yakyakistan fantasy Europe
Is Grphyus, Equestria And Yakyakistan fantasy Europe
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Markala
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It's been a day and several omakes since the last one, so current scorecard! 7 out of 10 Omake slots left! There is still time to apply omake bonuses for the broken Art!crits or nat1-warding ya'll! Also pls remember to tag Questor when you want to apply your omake bonuses to make sure they see them.
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Current Plan's % Chance Omake Tally Card:
DIPLOMACY
Emerald Isles Trade Delegation: 75% + 18% (Garrick) = Base 93%
-0/2 Max Omake Slots Applied
Equestrian Trade Delegation: 70% + 18% (Garrick) = Base 88%
-0/2 Max Omake Slots Applied
STEWARDSHIP
Supplying a Demand: Cost: 65% + 15% (Garrick) + 10% ('Back in Marethon' omake by @Firebringer2077) = Base 90%
-1/2 Max Omake Slots Applied
INTRIGUE
Equestrian Investigations: 60% + 13% (Garrick) + 15% ('Regional Flag' omake by @Firebringer2077)= Base 88%
-1/2 Max Omake Slots Applied
Etymological Studies: 60% + 13% (Garrick) + 10% ('It's Raining Storm' omake by @Markala) = Base 83%
-1/2 Max Omake Slots Applied
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Storm Country is the size of our entire empire. That's a LOT of land to cover and I'm skeptical that we could occupy that much hostile territory without stretching our forces too thin. It's more land than we'd know what to do with and ultimately it would be worth the effort just to get a few more Oricalcum mines. There's no reason not to ask allies we've already fought alongside for help with such a large endeavour in exchange for land we wouldn't be able to use anyway because there's so much of it.
We mostly want to invade Storm Country for more black steel and the Yetis have shown themselves to be the sort of barbaric slavers that we'd have no desire to trade with. The only thing that would make us dislike them more is if they outright attacked us or our allies. Also don't think it'd be out of character to treat them with hostility, at least in the short term, because we have shown that slavery has been a berserk button for the gryphons ever since our war with Sombra.
Jam jar binks
Thing Futzer
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- Maybe!
it is, but its also a huge source of black steel. And possibly more minerals
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- Germany
Maybe, but even if we decided to grab part of Storm Country - nevermind its entirity -, we still got the logistical problem to deal with how we are supposed to supply this new domain that´s utterly disconnected from the rest on our turf by the Yaks, who already have shown themselves to get a bit ornery if bothered by stuff going through their lands.
Dunno if things are worth that kind of hassle
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While I would like to build a railway across Yakyakistan, the only other way for us to get there quickly would be by either airships or boats... Both options may be worth exploring in the future, especially if keeping a trade corridor with Equestria becomes a priority. Either way, Yakyakistan I can't imagine wants Griffon Armies marching about their territory no matter how friendly we may be.
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gryphonia is full of metals and minerals. We're net exporters for them, right now, and I have hopes for recycling tech to become much better than what we have in RL, simply because that sounds a lot like something magic would be better suited than tech (some kind of runic array to dismantle something in its basic materials basically... but I'm digressing. Just a though for the far future).
we really only want the orichalcum mines in stormlands, and even that does not REALLY require us to conquer it.
If we can somehow make peace with the yeti (we don't KNOW what their society is like, EXCEPT that at least one group of them was made of slavers) we can just buy it, like we do with the yeti. Even if they didn't want to sell, it wouldn't be the end of the world, and we definitely have a lot we could offer for it.
The main advantage in Maretonia is from their population (magic users of the three pony kinds), even while the land has certainly a lot of value. The Stormlands are so much WORSE than it... there's no comparison, really.
rails for the yaks are definitely an option, but for the orichalcum mines... either a smaller railway to the nearest coast, and the establishment of a port there, or even just an airship landing port, might actually be cheaper. It depends a lot on how things end up going with the yeti really.
I think you mean yaks here...