[X] The Nightmare
-[X] Have the Nightmare put her mask on Adam, to reveal to Adam a horrifying vision of the future where he tries -everything- and still fails, so that the poor narcissistic terrorist-cum-revolutionary experiences his own Moment of Clarity.
[X] The Nightmare
-[X] Have the Nightmare put her mask on Adam, to reveal to Adam a horrifying vision of the future where he tries -everything- and still fails, so that the poor narcissistic terrorist-cum-revolutionary experiences his own Moment of Clarity.
[X] The Tower
-[X] "Perfection? The Tower of perfection raises to heights unimaginable! To grasp even the tiniest fraction is to become unknowable to those below... And you have not ascended even a single step."
Unlikely to win, but I really like the idea of the tower here.
Sending someone flying into a complete backflip is a great success, stopping your punch right before hitting to attack with the air pressure only result in the mook fainting in fright and using only your legs runs into the problem of them actually being stronger than your punches.
It takes training to strengthen the soul to the point where the increase in strength is not negligible, and thus all the mass of cultist facing her are basic humans for all intent and purposes.
Another punch is blocked but the cut that follows doesn't cut much of you, as you had deliberately pulled it to reduce the strength of the counterattack.
"Of course. The peak of evolution! I am sure you can already see how Faunus are superior to humans. That's simply because we are closer to perfection." He continues, clearly persuaded you are interested in what he is telling due to your onslaught stopping.
You remove your protective aura to really feel the hit, put your arm before you to intercept it, and prepare for the glorious fight that will surely follow. The chainsaw reaches you, enter the skin and begin going deeper… and then it breaks. IT BREAKS!!! It doesn't even go past your muscles!
Wait, really? I probably wouldn't find it worth commenting on if it broke after grinding against her Aura, but you made the point of having her explicitly lowering the protection. Aura fighters channel their Aura through their weapons, so they don't break unless the wielder has run out of it or completely lost their concentration, and weapons with channeled Aura are regularly shown to slice through non-channeled metal with ease.
More than the comparison being a demonstration of the Eye's overpowering strength, it's having an originally challenging mini boss character being reduced to a toothless wimp. I'd honestly find it more interesting (and appropriately gory for the Princess) if he managed to saw halfway through her arm, only for her to laugh at it and trap the chain between her muscles and bone by flexing it. Then when it's her turn to hit him back, she blows through his weapon along with his Aura when he uses it to try to block. That'd be more of a showing of how the Eye takes injury easily but doesn't care as long as she hits as hard as possible, and a failed block like that would serve as a contrast to how Adam's Semblance makes him more powerful than most people defensively as well as offensively.
Including the *Faunuses always breed true* thing, I know some formerly canon material said that, but it is not really treated as still canon even by the creators now anyway. Plus the fact that if the breeding true was real, there would be no more humans anymore very, very quickly.
And good, because the canon material never said that in the first place?
"A wolf Faunus and a human also typically means that your little bundle of joy's teething days could get a little dicey."
- Qrow in the World of Remnant: Faunus
"Typically", so mixed race couples can still have human children, they're just less likely than faunus kids.
Uh, you might want to watch this then, because it looks like you missed it and it explicitly answers this question, along with some of your other ones:
Sure it's not in the primary episode, but it kinda didn't need to be when it's even further background expansion on what was already an entire episode of backstory world building, that wasn't relevant to the prerogative of Ruby's question to Jinn? So getting extra elaboration like this at all is hopefully appreciated, if the YouTube critic is at least acknowledging the constraints the creators are operating under (which is more than I usually expect from YouTuber critics).
-The world under the gods. What do we know of it? Well, it was good, apparently. Strange that people were so willing to turn against the gods if they gave an utopia thought. And we don't know anything about it otherwise. Oh, actually we do know things about it! We know that Cruel kings could imprison their daughters in towers for reasons, that heroes were apparently needed, and that you could die from stupid reasons just like the real world... man, I can't really see the utopia here, strange.
Why does "good" have to equal a perfect "utopia"? The First Age of Humanity had it astronomically better in comparison to modern Remnant just by dint of everyone having access to magic, and the Grimm not being directed by a genocidal Salem. So they weren't permanently besieged populations forced into limited corners of the world, while endless monsters occupied the rest of the planet. That doesn't mean there weren't still Grimm (just easier to manage with universal magic), bad people, and even wars given that we're shown different nations with armies.
It was an imperfect world for sure, just like the people living in it (and certainly the Gods that made it). They were still way better off than what everyone afterwards was left to work with.
Anyway, the vote! Gotta get it in if I can, even though it's too far along for me to affect it anyway. The Nightmare and Moment of Clarity are for straightforwardly making him suffer, with maybe the Moment serving some kind of counterpoint to his spiel depending on the visions she puts him through. Razor is similar in straightforward pain, other than a callback to the "Behold, the perfect woman!" gag.
Beast and Den as the response to the "More animalistic strength = better!" take, with Beast being able to actually speak and taunt him during it. Tower as the response to the "Perfection" aspect.
…Thinking about it, the Wild could probably address the "Evolution" aspect in some way couldn't it? But even if the Long Quiet wasn't already confirmed to not be available for it, it's too good for the likes of Adam anyway.
While I appreciate the sharing of official videos explaining background info… I shouldn't have to do homework to appreciate entertainment, and honestly it's on the creators for being overly ambitious and constantly stacking more and more world building with minimal explanation.
While I appreciate the sharing of official videos explaining background info… I shouldn't have to do homework to appreciate entertainment, and honestly it's on the creators for being overly ambitious and constantly stacking more and more world building with minimal explanation.
I mean, it's not necessary to appreciate the entertainment of the show? Wasn't for me anyway, it was just, "Oh neat, a bonus expansion on what Salem's dad and childhood were like, and hints on some of the darker aspects of her starting personality that you can see blossomed with her descent into villainy."
None of that stuff was essential for understanding the main plot, it's just there for questions like Nyarky's.
I mean, it's not necessary to appreciate the entertainment of the show? Wasn't for me anyway, it was just, "Oh neat, a bonus expansion on what Salem's dad and childhood were like, and hints on some of the darker aspects of her starting personality that you can see blossomed with her descent into villainy."
None of that stuff was essential for understanding the main plot, it's just there for questions like Nyarky's.
It was poorly phrased on my part. Probably better to say that if someone enjoyed the source material and only watched the source material, obvious issues pop up.
It's like… iirc Destiny the game constantly giving you pop ups explaining to go to the official website or something to find more world building material. It's kiiiiind of a problem and a bit of a joke. It's a failure of time management and storyboarding, and failing to properly manage the scope of the project.
Edit: not to claim it's the end of the world or that it means the product is bad and terrible. Enjoyment can obviously still be had and having supplemental material isn't inherently evil. But it's still something to look at critically and judge on a case by case basis.
It was poorly phrased on my part. Probably better to say that if someone enjoyed the source material and only watched the source material, obvious issues pop up.
It's like… iirc Destiny the game constantly giving you pop ups explaining to go to the official website or something to find more world building material. It's kiiiiind of a problem and a bit of a joke. It's a failure of time management and storyboarding, and failing to properly manage the scope of the project.
Edit: not to claim it's the end of the world or that it means the product is bad and terrible. Enjoyment can obviously still be had and having supplemental material isn't inherently evil. But it's still something to look at critically and judge on a case by case basis.
I guess I just don't see any of these as "obvious issues"? Not with the Lost Fable anyway, there are other aspects of the plot direction where I'd be more inclined to agree with critiques of them being over ambitious and not managing their time perfectly.
But it's pretty explicit, down to the title of it, that the Lost Fable is being presented in the structure of a fairytale story, so I judged it as such while watching, not as some active plot line needing its own further backstory elements explained. The only parts of it that needed to be detailed were what gave relevant information to the modern characters on the actual running plot of the show, and everything else was gravy that could afford to be more vague as long it kept the telling of the fairytale coherent.
Nobody's required or asked to reference additional material to understand the show's plot. Who's the big bad? Salem, the evil queen of the Grimm. Why is she evil? Well this happened because she did this, because of this other thing happened, but it all started with the classic trope of being the princess locked in a tower (because of the Rapunzel inspiration). Further background on her father isn't necessary for the plot, and it's hardly some exceptional writing failure if it was never addressed.
But they put out a little bit of bonus content that explored it, answering the question for anyone who happened to wonder about his motivations. Why is an extra bit of optional content like that something to be criticized?
I guess I just don't see any of these as "obvious issues"? Not with the Lost Fable anyway, there are other aspects of the plot direction where I'd be more inclined to agree with critiques of them being over ambitious and not managing their time perfectly.
Honestly it might just be me being used to years of people criticizing RWBY and seeing too little positive analysis. I'll freely admit to being highly biased on the topic.
Honestly it might just be me being used to years of people criticizing RWBY and seeing too little positive analysis. I'll freely admit to being highly biased on the topic.
Fair, and I appreciate the acknowledgment. Years of exposure to RWBY's dedicated hatedom has left me pretty wary of the difference between what counts as actual "bad writing" critiques vs choices in direction that someone just subjectively doesn't like or agree with, but aren't necessarily invalid. Even if I don't have as much time or energy as I used to for arguing against complaints about the show, constantly popping up in threads where it doesn't really add anything constructive.
I can probably make my own list of developments in the show that I don't really like, and would've preferred if they'd gone in a different direction instead, but most of that list wouldn't qualify as bad writing in and of itself.
More than the comparison being a demonstration of the Eye's overpowering strength, it's having an originally challenging mini boss character being reduced to a toothless wimp
Uh, you might want to watch this then, because it looks like you missed it and it explicitly answers this question, along with some of your other ones:
As the video I linked says about exactly this supplemental material:
This kind of precision has no place being only in supplemental material, that's not what it's for.
It would take one or two sentences to answer some of those questions in the main show, with the supplemental material then being able to give the details if you want them.
Just a *cruel father did so for X reason*, instead of *cruel father did so, dot* we have. For example.
I think the problem is that you saw it as a fairy tale, while I saw it as the literal omniscient exposition fairy giving the backstory we were asking for.
The structure does not mesh well with what the goal is, it's an explanation of what Ozpin supposedly did wrong, not just a little forgotten legend.
The fact it absolutely fail at giving any justification to the child punching at the end of it doesn't help, Oz was a victim for all the story, and Oscar is even less responsible for any of that than Ozma, yet nobody calls Qrow out on the punch, they all are hostile to Oz.
[x] The Nightmare.
-[X] Have the Nightmare put her mask on Adam, to reveal to Adam a horrifying vision of the future where he tries -everything- and still fails, so that the poor narcissistic terrorist-cum-revolutionary experiences his own Moment of Clarity.
[X] The Tower
-[X] "Perfection? The Tower of perfection raises to heights unimaginable! To grasp even the tiniest fraction is to become unknowable to those below... And you have not ascended even a single step."
As long as he's breathing he can totally stand trial. I'm sure massive psychological damage will only further prove our credentials as a counselor and not horrify our coworkers for inflicting a fate worse than death on someone.
Or at all, in fact, by the time you meet her, you are far past the point where you could do anything to resist. You have tried everything, and it did nothing, all that is left is to LET. HER. OUT.
