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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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chocolote12 said:
Also, a cloak of fire plus our Dread Aspect spell and Mastery will get us called a daemon. Like, I love the idea even so, and I'm up for it, but they're going to skip straight to whatever they do when they burn the witch and it turns out they actually got the right one because she's crawling out of the pyre and she has horns and shark teeth now.
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People already think we can burn a quarter of a city with mystical fire despite being a Grey Wizard, and they're not calling us a daemon. It should be fine.
Although a semi-random though occurs. @BoneyM out if curiosity, how might the elves react to seeing a multi-wind enchantment? You've already answered how they would see active casting of something like Ulgu-tongs or Theurgy, but would just a multi-wind enchantment be less impressive, about the same, or more? (Highly doubt that last bit though)
Or would it not be worthy of notice at all, like a puppy doing cute tricks rather than writing math equations?
 
I always find it kinda absurd that dragons have so many attacks. I mean, I get Strength, Toughness and Wounds. Massive dragon with megahard scales, after all. I even get Movement and Leadership. Greater size generally means bigger legs, which all translates to a superior ability to cross distances. A dragon, even without wings, can be expected to win a race against the average human warrior by far, simply because of the size, as the size would not interfere with straight movement. Leadership, on the other hand... Well, it's hard to say no when a Celestial Dragon Wizard Lord is telling you to haul ass.

But what about attacks? Even optimized master swordsman knights have only a couple attacks. Among those, dual wielders can still be expected to have, what, 5 or so at most? How the fuck does something as massive and bulky (which SHOULD translate to lesser dexterity and mobility, if only to keep the dragon from tripping over itself, and which DOES so, as we can see with Initiative) manage to keep an eye on a tiny target and hit it nine freaking times while the puny master swordsman pulls off around 3 in the same amount of time?
 
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Ericwinter said:
Although a semi-random though occurs. @BoneyM out if curiosity, how might the elves react to seeing a multi-wind enchantment? You've already answered how they would see active casting of something like Ulgu-tongs or Theurgy, but would just a multi-wind enchantment be less impressive, about the same, or more? (Highly doubt that last bit though)
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Less impressive, though they might be condescendingly impressed that you managed two whole Winds. Teclis' sword has one of each Power Stone in it.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
Omegahugger prefers the bombardment method.
I'm more tactical, taking advantage of where the wind is blowing to sneak in my agenda.
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And then there is The Ninjafish!

Who just kinda shows up and advocates magical transhumanism at random, and then maybe goes off on a spiel about necromancy having been humanities destined hat and that they are infinitely lesser for not taking it up in favor of this useless god botherer bullshit.
 
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Akasha said:
I always find it kinda absurd that dragons have so many attacks. I mean, I get Strength, Toughness and Wounds. Massive dragon with megahard scales, after all. I even get Movement and Leadership. Greater size generally means bigger legs, which all translates to a superior ability to cross distances. A dragon, even without wings, can be expected to win a race against the average human warrior by far, simply because of the size, as the size would not interfere with straight movement. Leadership, on the other hand... Well, it's hard to say no when a Celestial Dragon Wizard Lord is telling you to haul ass.

But what about attacks? Even optimized master swordsman knights have only a couple attacks. Among those, dual wielders can still be expected to have, what, 5 or so at most? How the fuck does something as massive and bulky (which SHOULD translate to lesser dexterity and mobility, if only to keep the dragon from tripping over itself, and which DOES so, as we can see with Initiative) manage to keep an eye on a tiny target and hit it nine freaking times while the puny master swordsman pulls off around 3?
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A dragon's normal movements are it's attacks.

Of course, when fighting a single model, it doesn't make sense... but against a regiment, it just barges in and squishes people.

Edit: then again, it's attacks causing a single wound, even when fighting a single model is also ridiculous. Being struck by a dragon should not be survivable for normal humans.
 
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Can we even use the sword in the competition?

The Grey College is pragmatic enough to care about results over means, sure, but the other colleges aren't, necessarily. The rules may well be that we can use nothing magical we haven't made ourselves and no nonmagical weapons, just so the best magister wins rather than an alliance that pools its articrafts together to the guy of their group with the greater combat sense.
 
Aranfan said:
We might be able to beat Dragomas, but it would be an insane outlier and we are definitely not favored. At all.
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If we tag him with our sword he's just an archmage dude at sword point. Getting to sword point would be hard, yes, and he'd still be a very dangerous dude, but the thing about formal duels is that not going for the instant-death effects goes both ways; having a pointy thing that pokes with the strength of a cannon pointed at his soft bits means he concedes (because in a real fight we would poke his soft bits), not that he does something cool and keeps fighting.
deathofrats0808 said:
Not quite? Like, one dude went insane and hijacked the duel which kicked off the Night, but it wasn't a whole bunch of poisoning and assassinations and such.
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I think they meant in a more general 'this is how people try to cheat in the duel' way, not specifically that it was caused by mundane intrigue.
Ericwinter said:
People already think we can burn a quarter of a city with mystical fire despite being a Grey Wizard, and they're not calling us a daemon. It should be fine.
Although a semi-random though occurs. @BoneyM out if curiosity, how might the elves react to seeing a multi-wind enchantment? You've already answered how they would see active casting of something like Ulgu-tongs or Theurgy, but would just a multi-wind enchantment be less impressive, about the same, or more? (Highly doubt that last bit though)
Or would it not be worthy of notice at all, like a puppy doing cute tricks rather than writing math equations?
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I meant in a more general 'she looks like one, ergo she must be one' sense. Random nonmagical people aren't going to get a rundown of all the spell effects we're stacking, just that we transformed into a terrifying entity of shadow and flame. I'm not really concerned about it, because I think it would be cool anyways. I'm just talking about a general sort of 'this is how much we will scare commoners' thing, because we live in a very accepting place, but in most of the Empire they don't like wizards and stuff.
Akasha said:
I always find it kinda absurd that dragons have so many attacks. I mean, I get Strength, Toughness and Wounds. Massive dragon with megahard scales, after all. I even get Movement and Leadership. Greater size generally means bigger legs, which all translates to a superior ability to cross distances. A dragon, even without wings, can be expected to win a race against the average human warrior by far, simply because of the size, as the size would not interfere with straight movement. Leadership, on the other hand... Well, it's hard to say no when a Celestial Dragon Wizard Lord is telling you to haul ass.

But what about attacks? Even optimized master swordsman knights have only a couple attacks. Among those, dual wielders can still be expected to have, what, 5 or so at most? How the fuck does something as massive and bulky (which SHOULD translate to lesser dexterity and mobility, if only to keep the dragon from tripping over itself, and which DOES so, as we can see with Initiative) manage to keep an eye on a tiny target and hit it nine freaking times while the puny master swordsman pulls off around 3 in the same amount of time?
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I imagine that it's something like this (ignore the tiny punching man).
 
Akasha said:
I always find it kinda absurd that dragons have so many attacks. I mean, I get Strength, Toughness and Wounds. Massive dragon with megahard scales, after all. I even get Movement and Leadership. Greater size generally means bigger legs, which all translates to a superior ability to cross distances. A dragon, even without wings, can be expected to win a race against the average human warrior by far, simply because of the size, as the size would not interfere with straight movement. Leadership, on the other hand... Well, it's hard to say no when a Celestial Dragon Wizard Lord is telling you to haul ass.

But what about attacks? Even optimized master swordsman knights have only a couple attacks. Among those, dual wielders can still be expected to have, what, 5 or so at most? How the fuck does something as massive and bulky (which SHOULD translate to lesser dexterity and mobility, if only to keep the dragon from tripping over itself, and which DOES so, as we can see with Initiative) manage to keep an eye on a tiny target and hit it nine freaking times while the puny master swordsman pulls off around 3 in the same amount of time?
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If a big dragon is trashing around it has four legs ending in big claws, two wings, one maw, one tail and the sheer weight of its torso to hit with.

That makes nine hits in total on anyone stupid enough to engage in melee.
 
HavocKeeper said:
It's not. I was saying that the colleges probably wouldn't appreciate someone trying to cheat the duel because of it.
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Oh, I see. Yeah, I agree. I'm pretty sure the response would be "we all team up and kill that guy" which I think it was from the Patriarch/Matriarch group last time, while their Colleges all had a go at each other outside.
 
Artemis1992 said:
If a big dragon is trashing around it has four legs ending in big claws, two wings, one maw, one tail and the sheer weight of its torso to hit with.

That makes nine hits in total on anyone stupid enough to engage in melee.
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If a Celestial Dragon is thrashing around so much that it can hit a human-sized swordmaster with all of these body parts in the brief amount of time it would take said swordmaster to dish out a few swings with their sword, then the dragon should be doing more damage to itself than to its target. Broken necks and spines might be involved.
 
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Akasha said:
If a Celestial Dragon is thrashing around so much that it can hit a human-sized swordmaster with all of these body parts in the brief amount of time it would take said swordmaster to dish out a few swings with their sword, then the dragon should be doing more damage to itself than to its target. Broken necks and spines might be involved.
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Obviously it's just break dancing (this is an amusing mental image).

Or, each of its claws and fangs are as large as swords. Maybe each hand counts multiple times?
 
chocolote12 said:
If we tag him with our sword he's just an archmage dude at sword point. Getting to sword point would be hard, yes, and he'd still be a very dangerous dude, but the thing about formal duels is that not going for the instant-death effects goes both ways; having a pointy thing that pokes with the strength of a cannon pointed at his soft bits means he concedes (because in a real fight we would poke his soft bits), not that he does something cool and keeps fighting.

I think they meant in a more general 'this is how people try to cheat in the duel' way, not specifically that it was caused by mundane intrigue.

I meant in a more general 'she looks like one, ergo she must be one' sense. Random nonmagical people aren't going to get a rundown of all the spell effects we're stacking, just that we transformed into a terrifying entity of shadow and flame. I'm not really concerned about it, because I think it would be cool anyways. I'm just talking about a general sort of 'this is how much we will scare commoners' thing, because we live in a very accepting place, but in most of the Empire they don't like wizards and stuff.


I imagine that it's something like this (ignore the tiny punching man).
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Man heidi should recruit that guy to take out dragomas, in the most humiliating way imaginable.
 
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