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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Guile said:
Do remember that even the toughest human can still get killed by enough mooks, or a hit from a siege weapon or something.

Mathilde can be supernaturally terrifying, she can heal from unbelievable injury, but she's still only as tough as a guy in platemail.
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Sure, but she's also surrounded in both fire and shadow actively working to damage any and all enemies around her, a master swordsman with a bullshit powerful sword that shuts down enemy magical effects and can hit like a cannonball, she can teleport, plus the entirely natural morale effects of seeing someone like that come at you, or even vaguely in your direction, especially if she does take a grevious wound or two and gets back up.
Not that I'm trying to say she's invincible. Far from it, there are plenty of just as or even more bullshit people than even this. But it would still be pretty badass, and considering the things Mathilde has achieved before she had even half of these advantages, I would not want to be anywhere near the same battlefield as her. Especially if she has a unit surrounding her to benefit from the Cascading Cloak.
 
I wonder if magicking up ale (ideally in a cask rather than a mug) would be seen as praiseworthy or a travesty, or if people just shake their heads and mutter 'try-hards' into their beards.
 
Ericwinter said:
Sure, but she's also surrounded in both fire and shadow actively working to damage any and all enemies around her, a master swordsman with a bullshit powerful sword that shuts down enemy magical effects and can hit like a cannonball, she can teleport, plus the entirely natural morale effects of seeing someone like that come at you, or even vaguely in your direction, especially if she does take a grevious wound or two and gets back up.
Not that I'm trying to say she's invincible. Far from it, there are plenty of just as or even more bullshit people than even this. But it would still be pretty badass, and considering the things Mathilde has achieved before she had even half of these advantages, I would not want to be anywhere near the same battlefield as her. Especially if she has a unit surrounding her to benefit from the Cascading Cloak.
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You know, it's just occurred to me that Branulhune would shut down Dragomas' big trump card, his Celestial Dragon transformation. He would proceed to wipe the floor with us regardless I'm sure, but maybe in a few decades it'll actually be a fight?

storryeater said:
Still not as good as dwarven ale, which we can get in bulk, so why bother? :V
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Putting Dwarven ale into it and getting Trollbrew out of it might make it worth the effort :V

Andres110 said:
Could fill the mug with dwarven ale instead of water, then you get strengthened dwarven ale.
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Ah, Eshin'd.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
You know, it's just occurred to me that Branulhune would shut down Dragomas' big trump card, his Celestial Dragon transformation. He would proceed to wipe the floor with us regardless I'm sure, but maybe in a few decades it'll actually be a fight?
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Would he? I mean, sure, he's probably got a few other magic tricks up his sleeve, but so do we, and we just bashed him in the face with a cannonball sword and forced him out of the form he's probably most used to combat in. Also the pure shock of being suddenly transformed against your will like that probably sucks. He doesn't really strike me as much of a warrior outside his epic magic. Nah, the problem is hitting him in the first place, which is far from garunteed.
 
Candesce said:
Pretty sure Dragomas has enough respect for Dwarven craftsmanship not to let us smack him with the thing, yeah.
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Remember how Mathilde reacted when she first saw the Runes on the sword? That's how they'll all react when we finally whip it out of Hammerspace in front of them.
There's absolutely no way they'll ever let us hit them with that thing unless they have absolutely no alternative.

Unless they're all so gobsmacked when we whip out out massive, awe-inspiring sword that they're too shocked to move while we smack them in the face with it.
 
What will really bake their noodle is they'll expect misdirection because of the whole 'Grey Wizard' shtick. They'll never expect the inquisition sword to the face gambit to start with.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
Remember how Mathilde reacted when she first saw the Runes on the sword? That's how they'll all react when we finally whip it out of Hammerspace in front of them.
There's absolutely no way they'll ever let us hit them with that thing unless they have absolutely no alternative.

Unless they're all so gobsmacked when we whip out out massive, awe-inspiring sword that they're too shocked to move while we smack them in the face with it.
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They're probably going to wonder when the fuck we got it, and why they haven't heard of this before considering that Mathilde tends to be pretty blatant about her actions unless someone tells her not to, or it's so obviously classified like the Queekish book. Of course, eventually someone will remember that we technically got one of the Eight Swords for the reconquest, but literally none of the others were magical if I recall correctly, so they'll be even more impressed. Because that's Mathilde to a freaking T.

"Oh, look at my big fat greatsword that you'll never know I have until it literally hits you like a cannonball to the face. It's not like I was hiding it, hell it was a very public gift for my distinctly recognized services. Not my fault none of y'all paid attention." Most blatant Grey Wizard ever, and yet in doing so is also one of the sneakiest.
 
Eh, it's unlikely Mathilde will fight Dragomas anyway. And if she does, she better hope she's not outside. Branulhune is a poor match for "can fly and breath fire" with the sky as an option.
 
deathofrats0808 said:
Eh, it's unlikely Mathilde will fight Dragomas anyway. And if she does, she better hope she's not outside. Branulhune is a poor match for "can fly and breath fire" with the sky as an option.
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Well yes, but on the off-chance it happens she at least would have a chance, especially with several years more training. Also, we're immune to fire and, once we work on that unique sword-style for Branalhune, could probably effectively throw the sword before recovering it instantaneously, if we don't just teleport at him. We're... actually really well built to fight something like Dragomas, now that I think about it.
 
Guile said:
I wonder if magicking up ale (ideally in a cask rather than a mug) would be seen as praiseworthy or a travesty, or if people just shake their heads and mutter 'try-hards' into their beards.
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I don't think they'd like it as a drink ... but they might like it for cooking alcohol? Dawi seem like they definitely cook with alcohol, and the standards on that are usually different and less demanding then drinking alcohol.

An enchantment of infinite cooking alcohol forever is pretty nice.

deathofrats0808 said:
Eh, it's unlikely Mathilde will fight Dragomas anyway. And if she does, she better hope she's not outside. Branulhune is a poor match for "can fly and breath fire" with the sky as an option.
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Ehhhhh, depends how we use it.

We haven't tried as far as I'm aware, but theoretically the strength rune should apply if we hit something with the flat side of the sword.

Can anyone say Strength 10 baseball?

Also, immune to fire, which is nice.
 
deathofrats0808 said:
Eh, it's unlikely Mathilde will fight Dragomas anyway. And if she does, she better hope she's not outside. Branulhune is a poor match for "can fly and breath fire" with the sky as an option.
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Not to say that we should, or that it's a good idea... but we could teleport onto his back right after he transforms, poke him with our sword and teleport back down.
 
I seem to remember the promotion duels happening inside a College building of some sort (which probably annoys the Jade, Amber and Celestial Colleges, now that I think about it), so flight shouldn't be that much of an issue.
No, IMO the real problem will be his mastery of magic. We've done great things thanks to Counterspells, so what if he does too?

Now that I think about it, our best strategy should probably be to use battle magic, let him counterspell, and hope that our belt stops his counterspell and injures him momentarily so that he can't easily dodge said battle magic. Still a long shot, of course : I suggest not getting into such a fight.
 
Ericwinter said:
Well yes, but on the off-chance it happens she at least would have a chance, especially with several years more training. Also, we're immune to fire and, once we work on that unique sword-style for Branalhune, could probably effectively throw the sword before recovering it instantaneously, if we don't just teleport at him. We're... actually really well built to fight something like Dragomas, now that I think about it.
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A greatsword does not exactly throw well.

King Arthur said:
Ehhhhh, depends how we use it.

We haven't tried as far as I'm aware, but theoretically the strength rune should apply if we hit something with the flat side of the sword.

Can anyone say Strength 10 baseball?

Also, immune to fire, which is nice.
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I'm not sure. It might just break the item you hit instead.

IronFist said:
Not to say that we should, or that it's a good idea... but we could teleport onto his back right after he transforms, poke him with our sword and teleport back down.
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Teleporting onto a moving target who can counterspell seems insanely risky.

TalonofAnathrax said:
I seem to remember the promotion duels happening inside a College building of some sort (which probably annoys the Jade, Amber and Celestial Colleges, now that I think about it), so flight shouldn't be that much of an issue.
No, IMO the real problem will be his mastery of magic. We've done great things thanks to Counterspells, so what if he does too?

Now that I think about it, our best strategy should probably be to use battle magic, let him counterspell, and hope that our belt stops his counterspell and injures him momentarily so that he can't easily dodge said battle magic. Still a long shot, of course : I suggest not getting into such a fight.
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If you're looking at the actual Supreme Matriarch/Patriarch duel, there's apparently trials for the challengers beforehand. Also, while it takes place in a building, it's more of a race than an out and out duel.
 
Mathilde can definitely beat Dragomas, if by no other method than a quick draw. She probably can't do it reliably. Though one shouldn't underestimate the ability to go invisible, wait a bit, and then smack someone with the "Stop having fun" sword.
 
deathofrats0808 said:
A greatsword does not exactly throw well.
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Not well, perhaps, but it can probably be done if we train appropriately. I was always under the impression that would actually be part of our special sword-style for Branalhune. Of course, there are much better ways to solve the problem as well, but I prefer never to discount anything.
 
We should absolutely do everything in our power to not end up fighting the Supreme Patriarch for his position.
There is not winning move there, either we loose, or worse, we win, and we do not need the extra work.
 
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BurnNote said:
Mathilde can definitely beat Dragomas, if by no other method than a quick draw. She probably can't do it reliably. Though one shouldn't underestimate the ability to go invisible, wait a bit, and then smack someone with the "Stop having fun" sword.
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Mathilde, just an update ago, considered it for approximately two seconds before delivering a resounding "absolutely not". We definitely can't take on Dragomas as things currently stand.

Valmond said:
We should absolutely do everything in our power to not end up fighting the Supreme Patriarch for his position.
There is not winning move there, either we loose, or worse, we win, and we do not need to extra work.
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Well no, but it's an interesting hypothetical to consider. I don't think anyone's suggesting we actually do it.
 
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